FarCon NYC: Spicy Questions with Cassie & Rish

Aired Date

June 3, 2025

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FarCon NYC

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FarConHotOnes

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0:00Speaker 0

this interview was recorded at farcon nyc on 05/02/2025 with cassie hart from farcaster equilibrium and rish from nanar farcon is farcaster's annual event organized by the community for innovators builders and network contributors a pre interview with cassie and gm farcaster precedes the main stage talk thank you to all the sponsors who made this conversation possible including media partner gm farcaster media sponsor noun style and all the farcon team of volunteers learn more at farcon.nyc

0:38Speaker 1

so gm farcaster we are back with cassie and cassie is going to be doing something a little fun a little different for the next segment at far con you wanna talk about how this all came about and just hold this a little bit close to you

0:53Speaker 2

yeah sure so we're doing hot ones not not officially sponsored by

0:58Speaker 1

first we feast

1:00Speaker 2

so yeah we're gonna have rishon and i'm gonna torture him with some very spicy wings and hopefully some spicy questions

1:07Speaker 1

and we're gonna be down there getting questions from the audience do you have any things you want us to seed

1:13Speaker 3

in the audience

1:17Speaker 2

i'm not sure

1:18Speaker 4

we can plant questions

1:20Speaker 1

yeah you want us to plant anything let us know we take bribes too but i also wanted while you were here to talk about quilibrium and where you're at with that that's really why i wanna roll you up real quick so what in terms of quilibrium can you tell really quick i know it's hard to summarize but just like really quick what is it for those who may not know and then like where are you at in terms of the journey because you just had like a big moment and i just wanna kinda like give that give that some some love

1:52Speaker 2

yeah so we're going through what is the version two dot one upgrade right now i'm not going to like deep dive into what right it's doing but basically we're going through that upgrade process and what that's gonna unlock is like general application support so polybrium in a nutshell is kinda like amazon web services but decentralized so you can think of it like any other crypto l one but instead of doing things like smart contracts it's it's just generic applications so it's easy to lift and shift what you've built on like amazon and bring it over onto queue

2:32Speaker 1

fantastic and how many you're running it like queue hubs correct

2:37Speaker 2

like are there nodes sorry nodes is the word i

2:39Speaker 1

was looking for nodes is the word i was looking for how many nodes are running like how many people do you have active in in equilibrium right now

2:47Speaker 2

yeah it's been pretty wild it's like we've had a purely grassroots movement so like we haven't done any we don't have any vcs that have like fueled anything there was no airdrops or any anything like that so it was just pure like fair launch and at our peak we had over 200,000 independent nodes that were running and after the version two dot o upgrade people started consolidating their sets of nodes into clusters and it shrank down to a much smaller number because they wanted to concentrate their rewards under you know one node where that's gonna end up after this two one upgrade is complete don't know okay

3:32Speaker 1

adrianne do

3:33Speaker 4

you have some questions run a node with like their home pc

3:36Speaker 2

yeah that was actually one of the core

3:39Speaker 1

asking for a friend are you you can tell them about a

3:41Speaker 4

node with their windows 10 pc that's it it

3:44Speaker 2

so we actually do do not have windows supported right now it's technically possible but it's just

3:49Speaker 4

when is

3:50Speaker 2

can i

3:50Speaker 4

run it on wsl

3:52Speaker 2

yeah that's i was gonna say like that is the trick people have been using using wsl it's still kind of a pain one of the things after two one is fully out there is getting things into as streamlined a way as possible to run a node so you know you can think of it as installing any other application and you just launch it as like a little desktop app that just wraps the entire node application but right now it's it's a bit more involved yeah

4:22Speaker 1

awesome imagine i have

4:24Speaker 4

those stuff asking for myself but you know no no i was just curious of like the types of people are they hobbyists are they it's like all over

4:32Speaker 2

all over the place we have people who have like gone as far as to rent out entire data centers and they're running q nodes across their entire fleet we've got plenty of like home enthusiasts that have like a fleet of raspberry pis people who have like just a few servers that they're hosting somewhere it's just all over the place

4:53Speaker 1

is it a lot of farcaster users who are who have launched nodes or is it completely different community

4:59Speaker 2

so that's i mean that's one of the beautiful things about farcaster is that's where i started talking about it very broadly and that's where the first generation of node runners came from since then there's been a huge influx from a couple of other communities one in particular is the bit tensor community right it's like a small faction of people over there that jumped over to start running qnodes about about a year ago

5:29Speaker 1

oh cool very cool alright we're gonna let you get ready

5:35Speaker 2

okay

5:35Speaker 1

get your palate ready i don't even know like is there a prep is there like a workout you do before this sort of hot ones thing what's the difference

5:42Speaker 4

for spice

5:43Speaker 1

yeah that's a good question

5:44Speaker 2

so the hottest sauce in the hot ones collection is 2,600,000 scoville units for reference pepper spray is about 2,000,000 and that's actually the sauce that i i use like

5:59Speaker 1

on a daily basis

6:00Speaker 3

yeah

6:00Speaker 1

like a regular

6:01Speaker 2

yeah oh so

6:03Speaker 1

russia's dead worse i might do the pepper spray

6:08Speaker 2

i mean i i actually did use

6:09Speaker 4

not strong enough

6:10Speaker 2

i did used to buy the mad dog plutonium sauce which is 9,000,000 stouffel units it's like the last type of sauce you can get before it turns into just pure crystals

6:20Speaker 4

do you have taste buds

6:22Speaker 1

yeah yeah okay so i have a palate of a five year old it's like so i i i don't put pepper pepper's too much for me

6:30Speaker 4

black pepper

6:31Speaker 1

black pepper i don't it's a little too much

6:33Speaker 2

for me my husband's the same way

6:35Speaker 1

like that's where i'm at yeah so this is like very foreign to me but i'm gonna i'm gonna enjoy watching it

6:43Speaker 2

i i hope we will all enjoy watching it

6:45Speaker 1

but i think it's gonna be fun

6:46Speaker 2

well obviously like if you've never seen hot ones before you can tap out so if if rich

6:53Speaker 1

can tap out if helping you

6:54Speaker 2

if he needs to if you've

6:55Speaker 4

ever met me they can tap out rich will not tap out

7:00Speaker 1

will not tap out i'm really excited i'm excited for this i think it was a great format for far con and good luck thanks for maybe the odds will

7:10Speaker 2

be ever in our favor

7:11Speaker 1

yeah it's gonna be in our favor oh hold on that was the other thing i was gonna say to you by the way by the way the hunger games just for those who don't know there was the way to the way that we were testing that you guys were testing far guys were testing group chats

7:26Speaker 2

yep

7:26Speaker 1

was this use of the hunger games and it was essentially like voting people out of the group chat and that is what inspired me to start cast out

7:35Speaker 2

oh really

7:36Speaker 1

yes that like i always i'm a huge survivor like fan forever but i was like hey this would be fun to do something like this at a bigger scale on farcaster and that's what inspired it so thank you for the inspiration

7:51Speaker 2

i just want chaos

7:52Speaker 1

i almost forgot i just want chaos if i'm gonna test things i want chaos in the process

7:58Speaker 2

it's the only way you'll know if it works

8:00Speaker 1

this is true alright well thanks so much and it looks like hopefully we'll be ready shortly for our hot ones alright

8:07Speaker 2

thanks for having me

8:08Speaker 1

thank you

8:19Speaker 2

hello everybody welcome to this rendition of hot ones for those who have not seen hot ones on youtube the first we see series is a show where the wings are hot and the questions are hotter the idea for today is we're gonna do it a little bit differently we're gonna split it up into two segments the first segment is going to be just an interview get to get to know rich and then the second half is gonna be audience q and a so i hope you all have some spicy questions yourself but without further ado let's get started rich tell us about nayanar

8:57Speaker 3

yeah nayanar is a developer platform company for forecaster we started two years ago we started with hosted hubs two years ago which was two farcons ago in 2023 i actually presented a different product also called nayanar which was an nft media app and we built a lot of underlying infrastructure for it which was based on forecaster rails and that underlying infrastructure got more popular than the app itself and so we became an infrastructure first company and we've been doing farcaster infrastructure for two almost two years now

9:33Speaker 2

that's amazing i i feel like especially two years ago that would be like farcaster's infancy you know what what led you to to take the leap on farcaster like that

9:46Speaker 3

yeah marlon and i were building this app and you know it had some sparks a few people were using it a few people liked it but it never really got to the point where we could see it getting a hockey stick growth and that's like pretty necessary for consumer focused products that are not necessarily built on top of a protocol like warpcast is and we were kinda trying to think about what to do next and we had been pretty excited about decentralized social even for years before which is why we had joined forecaster early on like manu and i joined in 2021 and we've been using it ever since and we knew we wanted to keep building on forecaster for a while simply because we were interested in the space and once the infrastructure started getting some demand one thing i thought to myself is a like one one thing that founders have is sort of a risk arbitrage like what do you think is low risk that the rest of the market thinks is high risk we didn't necessarily think that forecaster was low risk but compared to the rest of the market i think we did think it was a good risk to take and i like taking good risks and so and i decided to do this full time and see where it goes and so here we are yeah and we've been enjoying it and we continue to build on it

11:12Speaker 2

well we're very thankful for you taking the risk on farcaster and speaking of taking risks let's go ahead and get started looks like these are not chicken wings but chicken tenders so emma i'm not sure what the order is here

11:32Speaker 3

i think it says 12 3 yeah

11:35Speaker 2

oh they're labeled okay okay alright alright okay that could have been like an instant emergency all right not sure which which ones these are i think this is the standard los caliente

12:00Speaker 2

how are you feeling so far

12:02Speaker 3

oh it's not bad

12:06Speaker 2

what's your what's your spice tolerance like

12:09Speaker 3

average south asian man's spice tolerance but i've i've i have not been in india for like what sixteen years now so it's been reducing considerably so when i go home visit my parents what my mom cooks is spicy for me so i think by the time we get to the end it's gonna be some some suffering is gonna be on stage

12:34Speaker 2

speaking of spice levels what would you who would you say is the spiciest farcaster

12:43Speaker 3

there's some spicy far casters i think jeff goldberg likes to be spicy

12:55Speaker 3

which is not a bad thing i mean social networks do well with spice so yeah

13:03Speaker 2

fair enough fair enough who would you say is the least spicy broadcaster

13:11Speaker 3

at some point i would have considered myself not as spicy but i think people got really animated with the user scores so maybe maybe that's not that's not i think i think malan's pretty not spicy or like some people on my team everybody on my team is like super engineering like soft spoken so yeah i think i think we i think our team is pretty not spicy so if you follow like manan thai val or b rose flash profits non spicy hardcore engineering people yep

13:45Speaker 2

makes sense let's go ahead and upgrade to sauce number two not sure which ones these are i wish we had the bottles

13:55Speaker 3

yeah

14:04Speaker 2

i'm waiting for the magic moment

14:10Speaker 2

so one of the things that i've seen you mention before is that you got into crypto pretty early comparison to most people what was the thing that originally got you hooked

14:21Speaker 3

yeah i think the so the very first time i was introduced to crypto this was like 2012

14:29Speaker 3

and i'm sad to say i didn't fully get it and i kind of you know played around with bitcoin a little bit and it went from a hundred dollars to a thousand dollars in that 2013 run and kinda had a few beers moved on forgot about it and when i really started getting it is when ethereum came about in the twenty fifteen twenty sixteen period and the whole concept of this like world computer and like it's been like the first few times i went through it it kind of felt like okay i can kind of imagine how to upgrade the internet and i can't fully explain even what that meant to me at the time but i remember thinking that like this can be the next version of the internet and that's when i started diving deeper i looked at jobs at coinbase in the 2016 '20 '17 time but again sadly didn't do anything about it it was at facebook but by the time that bull market died in 2018 the market was dying but i was still pretty into everything that was happening in crypto and so i was like okay i have to leave i have to go work somewhere that is fully into this stuff and that's when i left facebook moved to coinbase joined coinbase in 2019 i think and since then have been working full time here

15:50Speaker 2

awesome i i feel like you know like the first coin that somebody gets into tends to shape their like perception since you got in so early at the very least you had like initial exposure to bitcoin mhmm is there anything that you feel about like the bitcoin community that is either lacking or something that you wish would be in the ethereum community or vice versa

16:19Speaker 3

honestly i'm not super close to the bitcoin community i i got into the money part of it which is like and you know it took some time for bitcoin to find how it defined itself where it went from like oh this is about payments to this is about digital gold and i i kinda buy the digital gold thing if it remains decentralized and it kinda works that way and so i got into the money part of it but i didn't really get into the political part of it or become part of all the discussions that we're having ethereum i got into it more where you know i got familiar with the eips i got familiar with like how people talk about ethereum culture or in today's market changing ethereum culture and evolving it and all of that

17:10Speaker 3

i think like ethereum obviously as many might be familiar today could do better at like moving the political process in a way that was faster and evolution happened faster and innovation happened faster and all of that and obviously the feedbacks we heard and they're working on it but there was definitely a time where the cultural aspect of it would push away certain kinds of innovation on the chain and that didn't work out well over the last few years yeah

17:42Speaker 2

i feel like that's fair let's go ahead and turn up the heat to number three

17:50Speaker 2

i wish you

17:54Speaker 3

luck spicy

18:00Speaker 2

now for those who haven't seen first wheat feasts hot ones i just wanna mention you do have the ability to tap out if you need to we also have a what appears to be a milkshake i think

18:13Speaker 3

it's likely gonna be needed on the next one

18:17Speaker 2

okay

18:25Speaker 2

so i guess like the last thing that i've got as far as questions go before we open up into looking at the time here because the monitor is not mhmm before we go into the audience question section out of all the things that you wish could change about farcaster the protocol versus like you know workcast or any of the client implementations what would you like to change the most

18:52Speaker 3

at the protocol level

18:53Speaker 2

right

18:58Speaker 3

like from a wish list standpoint i think it would be nice to try like i guess context before the answer is that i say this with a point of view of experimentation i don't really know if any of the changes i'm about to talk about are actually good changes to make but from a wish list endpoint i think it'd be interesting to think about how new kinds of actions could be taken on the protocol like by definition it's a very narrow protocol and i think that's part of what makes it interesting and allows it to scale i think social networks over time have come up with new kinds of social actions so we have gone from like a facebook post on a wall to like ephemeral snapchat to like disappearing instagram stories and so on and i think today the protocol is pretty narrow in terms of the kind of social actions you can take everything is public by default i know dcs will hopefully get decentralized over time and whatnot but i think it would be interesting to expand the set of protocol actions you can take and even maybe financialize in some ways where you can have touring completeness or not completeness but some subsection of touring completeness that would allow you to like build interesting applications on top i don't necessarily think that that would have been a good way to start so i think the way it started out is still good and i think over time expanding in that direction would be useful

20:29Speaker 2

that makes a lot of sense i would like to know though like if if you could see any kind of like turing complete or quasi turing complete you know like bitcoin script style no loops or whatever

20:39Speaker 3

right

20:40Speaker 2

what type of application do you think would thrive on in that kind of environment

20:46Speaker 3

yeah i mean a few of the mini apps we were seeing today and that like what i'm about to say is maybe a good counter example of why we don't need it or didn't need to start with it but things like amps or tip and earn where you take an action on the protocol some centralized service reads that action goes and talks to a blockchain and says okay they want to recast your cast we are gonna charge them or you're gonna pay them x number of dollars and then we'll come back and send out that recast today if you take back that recast the money's still gone and you have to like do the refund separately same for tip and earn where oh i forget what that minneapolis exactly called like tippen or something where you like like and a small number of dollars or cents flow out of your worklet to the other person and obviously this is all doable without the kind of stuff i'm talking about but it would be cool if the protocol allowed that level of completeness where you could take both financial actions and social actions at the same time make it atomic and then see what builds on top of that

21:50Speaker 2

fair enough i do have to call out real quick like i i was gonna ask the question on whether or not you were a wallet or warplet person but you you did kinda show your hand there

22:02Speaker 3

i mean i think it's a funny name i don't i don't necessarily i'm in a certain camp i think when the name came out i thought it was kinda weird but you know weird things can be funny over time and i think it's for me at least it's changed to a nice funny name and it's cool

22:19Speaker 2

all right so we'll go ahead and go into sauce number four and then and then yeah we'll we'll do the audience questions

22:35Speaker 3

this is milkshake time

22:46Speaker 1

thanks will

22:47Speaker 4

we've been told there's like several more sauces that we can go hotter than this

22:51Speaker 1

yeah do you want do you want a few more sauces to go even hotter

22:55Speaker 3

i guess we could try six

22:57Speaker 1

okay alright alright you wanna drink it

22:59Speaker 2

from five to six

23:00Speaker 3

i know we should do five

23:02Speaker 1

i know for sure that cassie's never gonna take

23:03Speaker 3

it out i don't think we should jump that's a whole different situation

23:07Speaker 1

alright who's got a spicy question keep them appropriate for the room

23:17Speaker 1

and tell us who you are too on farcaster

23:20Speaker 5

hi i'm brian sign up for i'm lonely

23:26Speaker 1

i didn't say shill i just said tell us who you are

23:29Speaker 5

sir i really want this to be successful anyway rich yeah so everybody is talking about defi right now about tokens so i wonder is like when is the nayanar token

23:43Speaker 3

don't have a token i think it's like i just haven't spent enough time on tokenomics to really think about what a token would do in our ecosystem

23:52Speaker 1

what would the token do the common question from dwr

23:56Speaker 3

yeah and you know maybe somebody can tell us what it should do and we can consider it but i haven't spent the time thinking about it at some point we might till at least four months ago there was no reason to spend time thinking about it because as soon as you launch a token in a us environment pre 2025 it wasn't a good outcome anyway maybe there is some reason to suggest that we should think about it now but haven't thought about it don't know what it would do and thus there is no ninr token

24:22Speaker 1

it should

24:23Speaker 5

go out

24:24Speaker 3

would be nice yeah

24:28Speaker 1

do you have somebody over here alright how am i gonna get to you we'll go this way

24:34Speaker 2

yeah we can do it

24:36Speaker 4

i got

24:37Speaker 1

them i got them alright

24:38Speaker 6

she got them

24:39Speaker 2

got it

24:40Speaker 1

you got one i'll come to you next

24:49Speaker 6

hey guys so warp cast team versus neymar team in a tug of war match who wins

24:58Speaker 3

same number of people because they're team yeah

25:00Speaker 6

yeah same number you can pick five on five let's say

25:02Speaker 3

oh we're gonna win

25:04Speaker 6

oh yeah i do cassie you agree

25:07Speaker 2

probably

25:12Speaker 1

alright we got a question

25:17Speaker 7

here have you played or used debbie's never have i ever yes any app yes okay which question did you answer and how did you answer

25:28Speaker 3

that was good i did not answer a question on it i browsed through it to look at what other people have answered but because that's not an answer to a question you can ask me a never have i ever question if you want

25:44Speaker 7

okay so mine i i posted one yesterday morning when i got into your

25:48Speaker 1

in my hold on should've left that place sorry

25:52Speaker 7

yeah my name is oddjob by the way but the question that i asked yesterday was have you ever had sex in public

26:01Speaker 7

spicy questions right i mean we're all adults here right

26:08Speaker 1

is stephanie here is stephanie in the room would she like to answer the question

26:15Speaker 3

my interpretation my interpretation of your question would have to say no

26:23Speaker 3

okay alright fair enough

26:23Speaker 1

we got one back up there we got one back there

26:27Speaker 5

alright if you if you could change one thing about your cofounder what would you change

26:32Speaker 1

oh this is good

26:33Speaker 3

sorry what was that one thing about my profile co founder oh co founder oh man no he's my co founder because i don't like because i like him the way he is i i i can tell you what he what is annoying but i wouldn't change it like i'm you know when things happen i think my emotional state is more restless than manan's emotional state which is a good thing in the company because somebody has to worry and somebody also has to not worry if both people are not worried then you're gonna miss out on stuff and if both people are worried then you're just kind of you know too paranoid but it's kind of annoying to have to be the person who's worried while he gets to be the non worried kind like there have been times where there was something and i was up worried about it and he was just

27:32Speaker 3

asleep but you know there's no point in two people being awake and losing sleep so it's good for the company but yeah it's annoying to be the one who is who has to do the worrying but i wouldn't change it i think it's good

27:46Speaker 4

rish we have time for a spice break

27:48Speaker 2

yeah let's go ahead and go with the number

27:50Speaker 1

while we get the next question

27:54Speaker 2

i believe that is fat cat gourmet that's 54,000 scoville's that's it

28:03Speaker 1

that's 54,000 scoville

28:08Speaker 3

yeah it's pretty pleasant

28:12Speaker 2

this one has the trinidad scorpion pepper so it will be a creeping heat

28:16Speaker 3

love

28:20Speaker 8

it alright cool so rish manan burrow and dan are on a plane the plane crashes and they give the keys to cassie cassie who do you put in charge of merkel and rish i'll just since you're up there who do you who do you give the keys to

28:40Speaker 3

sorry i'm i'm still processing with you guys okay

28:44Speaker 8

we'll give you a second

28:46Speaker 3

something about the keys

28:48Speaker 8

you have to pass the keys of danar to one of your current employees if you and lennon were to no longer be who do you hand the keys to and then cassie same for you

29:02Speaker 2

do you wanna answer or do you wanna like let the heat sit for a second

29:13Speaker 3

who do we hand our keys to like what

29:16Speaker 1

what kind what's your succession plan

29:18Speaker 3

like what kind of keys

29:24Speaker 3

i think if we if maran and i died in a plane crash the person who stands up and says i'm gonna lead the company is the ceo

29:33Speaker 6

okay no

29:37Speaker 3

i mean i'm dead

29:44Speaker 3

so so like leaders stand like the way you lead is you stand up and you say hey i'm i'm leading that's it so whoever does that is the leader could be you

29:58Speaker 2

if i had to actually choose somebody explicitly i would probably pick shane because out of all the people who takes on call pages i think shane wherever you are i'm sorry for all the times i've caused you pages

30:18Speaker 2

okay so we've got five minutes left do you want to go through all three of these enraptors except

30:25Speaker 3

i'm i'm happy to try the next one since i'm still alive

30:30Speaker 2

the next one

30:31Speaker 3

yeah like it's so important like number six

30:33Speaker 2

number six okay that would

30:40Speaker 2

okay

30:43Speaker 1

yeah we

30:44Speaker 3

should have

30:44Speaker 2

taken pretty time

30:47Speaker 2

alright so number six is oneima and this one is 71,000 scoville units so we're still in the you know five digits tier

31:02Speaker 2

see if i can actually crack this open

31:06Speaker 1

by the way the correct answer to the least spicy barcaster is burt wurst period

31:12Speaker 3

it's true yeah

31:15Speaker 1

it was an easy question

31:21Speaker 6

should wait for

31:24Speaker 2

me to eat alright

31:35Speaker 6

watching people eat on stage is really strange

31:42Speaker 6

i think there's a reason the hot ones crew doesn't have an audience

31:47Speaker 2

they get more opportunities for like the dramatic cuts the sweating all of that

31:56Speaker 3

i think like i have lost pain since like sensitivity

32:01Speaker 2

we can up it to the bomb

32:05Speaker 3

is this one of the sleeper ones that hits like couple minutes later or is is it supposed to tomorrow it will definitely hit tomorrow that i can tell

32:17Speaker 2

honestly no i i would agree with you that one actually does feel a little bit more mild than this one the bomb on the other hand is about twice as hot

32:27Speaker 3

sure

32:30Speaker 2

alright while i crack this open are there any other spicy questions yeah

32:36Speaker 3

over here

32:38Speaker 6

hi jd rish nanar

32:42Speaker 6

is arguably nanar's success rides with the protocol's success what do you think nanar is doing isn't doing could be doing to improve the sort of top of funnel right if you if you grant the premise that in order for somebody to benefit from nayanar's existence they have to get on the protocol first

33:06Speaker 3

yep

33:07Speaker 6

today eight out of ten nine out of 10 people are getting on the protocol thanks to

33:12Speaker 9

the work that merkel is doing

33:14Speaker 6

yep how do you all improve that

33:17Speaker 3

yep great question it's something we should actually do more i mean clear example today is i don't know how many of you guys use the blackbird app to get food companies like ours can actually talk to companies like blackbird or other companies that are obviously crypto native they are at farcon but their app doesn't have a farcaster integration when you go to blackbird and look up a restaurant you don't know what your farcaster friends have said you don't know who from your farcaster network has checked into what restaurant and i'm just using blackbird as an example because it's top of mind they're here it's not to pick on them but companies like manor can do more to and we should this is again a good question we should go talk to companies like blackbird and other companies in the area and we can help them onboard onto forecaster we'll get easier as snapchain reduces user onboarding costs where we can actually bear the cost of user onboarding and just charge people in normal compute units to use our apis and so i think we'll start doing more of that and get other applications to onboard net new users to the protocol that aren't coming necessarily through webcast and that'll improve top of funnel

34:30Speaker 5

yep

34:32Speaker 2

alright i'm gonna try to oh dear lord

34:41Speaker 2

alright you ready

34:42Speaker 3

yeah

34:50Speaker 3

well that's spicy

34:55Speaker 2

it also makes you we may need

34:56Speaker 1

to have somebody step up sooner than we thought instead of the plane crash it might just be this last this last wing

35:10Speaker 2

i mean you made

35:11Speaker 3

it to

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the bomb do you want to go all the way sure

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alright folks

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questions hey so you're talking about how you're the worrier out of you and manan like you're more of the worry personality what was the most worried you've been in neymar's history after you guys pivoted from the client like since the current iteration of neymar what yeah like obviously there's been ups and downs with like morale and forecaster and like growth

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and stuff

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what was like the most worried that you've been since starting

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so there's two kinds of fears one is in the moment kind which in the grand scheme of things doesn't really matter and the one is the existential kind which doesn't necessarily like wake you up from sleep but it prevents you from sleeping if you haven't already fallen asleep the wake you up from sleep kind of worry happens anytime there's a spike on the protocol like a lot of users coming in for frames or dgen and servers are crashing people are calling us like we were getting three hours of sleep a night it was a stressful time but also an exciting time and i would take that any day the kind of worry that doesn't let you sleep is the worst kind where you stay up thinking is this gonna work and are we building the right thing and are we focused on the right are we gonna like you know there's a famous saying that companies die by suicide not homicide are we gonna die by suicide and that keeps me up every night and i don't know if there's a specific day that i've been more worried than others it kind of comes in like those sine curve waves where you know weeks some days you are exuberant and things are happening you're shipping a lot of good stuff and the other days you are like wow we have to figure this out and you just have to live with it and you have to like focus on what you're doing and keep building and then see what happens

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coming back

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oh wow okay so i'll leave this one up to you because this is a very dramatic jump the last stab experience is 2,693,000 scoville units and the peppers up is i'm not even seeing it oh it's the high river okay this one's 700,000

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yeah let's do 700,000

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okay fair enough

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tyler tyler

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and matt

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i was curious rish so what are some

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unintuitively hard lessons you learned as a builderfounder that looking back was absolutely not on me is that you really needed these lessons

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i think like for me personally

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i don't know if these are lessons learned while the course of maynard but some things i have learned over the course of life generally that i put into practice is just patience and focus like long term thinking and long term building doesn't just happen you have to like continuously work at it and things usually don't like even what looks like an overnight success there's like a decade of work that precedes that overnight success like chad gpt went to a hundred million users in like i don't know a couple months but they like worked on chad gpt for like five years before then and people when they build a chad gpt graph they show their instagram whatsapp chat gpt graph and it's like four months but they just discount the five years of work that built that went into like building the models and so just like keeping that long term mindset and manan's really good at this again which is why like different talents in the company really matter just like having patience focusing and building for the long term not necessarily lessons learned over building nanar but i think over my work at facebook and coinbase and now at nanar i think have helped getting us to where we are today

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hey hello can you

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hear me okay

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yep

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this is for cassie o'rish what was the most annoying piece of content you've seen on the feed and who was responsible for it

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i'm still thinking you should go

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okay okay

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i think the most annoying thing that happened was

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probably about a year and a half ago i think unlike the individual here who claims to be brian the

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actual brian posted an interesting photo for those who are familiar with the name barry wood you'll know exactly what i mean that probably would be it

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and do i also have to answer it or is that good yes i don't know i don't have a very specific memory of something being annoying i think

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like i can i found the like the category of spam that originated when channels became really popular where people would just take a picture of the internet put it on the channel feed that to be pretty annoying but i don't think that's the kind of answer you're looking for so i'm trying to think about a specific person or instance

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yeah i can't i can't i'm sure there were i just can't remember one sorry

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okay okay yep and then we got one more after you to garrett and then we have the rats

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should we try that

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yeah i was about to say let's go ahead and do the the this one we'll call this the last dab

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okay so i'm the dude on webcast and i was first to cassie and then to rich how are you feeling after like what differences do you feel from first when you stepped on stage and now in terms of like spiciness level like physically

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i definitely feel hotter

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i mean it would be nice if it was like that but just like temperature hotter and like like my mouth's kinda on fire you know

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i don't know man i feel alive

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what nice

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like the last dab experience i actually use this like with my breakfasts so

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this is why i was scared this morning i i was i

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was talking to cassie and she's like oh i just used this as my breakfast sauce and i'm like why am i i'm just being set up

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do you have your check

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like my nose runs my eye's a little watery but that's i don't know that's awesome i like that

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k

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hi i'm garrett besides bitcoin or stablecoins you have to buy a token today and hold it for a year what is it

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where oh yeah i was like where where who is yeah okay sorry bitcoin or what

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you can't buy bitcoin or stable coins you have to buy a token and hold it for a year today what token is it

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i mean ethereum solana

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yeah

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yeah probably both that's what i my portfolio is mostly bitcoin ethereum some solana and stablecoin yeah

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cassie i

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i'll take it under advisement from my counsel that i should not answer that question

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fred told you not to worry about lawyers anymore

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you always have to worry about lawyers from a lawyer

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hey oh do you hear me alright

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you ready for the last dab

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i'm not sure i'm ready but

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let them do it yeah that last one

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yeah this one is the high river peppers up it's got brown sugar in it

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that's why i eat hot sauce for the sugar

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that one's actually it's pretty bad but my expectations were so bad it's better than my expectations

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we could still do the last ad

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i tried

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alright i think we have like room for one more question right

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yeah hey hi guys yes so sheldon on on farcaster so kind of and so ending on a good way what are currently the best mini apps that you guys like what are the top one and then also which is something that you wish you saw what's something that you want to be built in the next like year or two

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there's actually a lot of new mini apps that i've liked mini app experiences are getting pretty smooth there was this video tiktok feed mini app i forget exactly what it's called dab and the experience was like way slicker than what i expected going in because you know web apps stutter and like it's it's not a fault of the developer that's just what web web development looks like like tiktok stutters on web but the video feed was just so smooth it really blew past my expectations that was good i think everybody's in love with tiago's where are you at mini app during the conference find your friends the never have i ever app that you talked about i like that

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yeah there's probably more i'll have to look through my like i add a lot of mini apps simply because i try a lot of them out but there are some good ones that i've added so in terms of what i would like to see built i would actually like i don't know how many of you have played but i recently youtube has had this feature for the last few months and i've been ignoring it for a while but i had this like some time over the last few weeks where there's a carousel of mini games that you can play inside youtube and they have a couple like bunch of cool games like one of them is like a parking lot game where you have to like park cars and solve puzzles to get like cars out of a parking lot soccer game we have to like shoot goals and i think those kind of like super like one shot experience mini games would do pretty well as a mini app like you come in you like unlike youtube here you can have a leaderboard of your friends see how much your friends have scored who is playing right now like challenge people to like different tournaments and do that while browsing your feed and i would play them like i played them inside youtube where none of my friends are and i still enjoyed it so on a social network i think it'd be even more fun atlas

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yep cool alright

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how

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far did you make it

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what number

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we're about to go to the last dab

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okay

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that is 2,693,000 this

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is yeah

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now listen you you can back out if you don't no

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i mean we are here

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so alright

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all right i'm going to ask you the question before i take a bite in case like i inhale this and then like die but you got 100 people or so watching right now what is one message you want to tell to all of them

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do not eat what i just ate

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all right well thanks for joining me in this

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thanks john

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you are

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an absolute champion

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thanks for doing this