hit that i think we picked up our guest so we have very special guests you might know them it's dan and brood and we just confirmed that this we believe unless brood's wrong this
is the first podcast we've done together alright
come on up dwr and b here they are whoo we needed music we really needed music on that we we blew that derek we blew it we should've had music we should've had intro music i know that was bad that was really bad we should've done intro music but thank you all for coming and i really wish i had done a poly market on what our first question is to be because i guarantee you're not gonna guess it but it's something i've been thinking about for a very long time
i'm excited varun what i'm a little scared
what is a techno watermelon
oh so the backstory do you know nassim nicholas taleb
no okay this is this is gonna be a deep dive into the back story yeah
there's a back story to the back story but he call he called somebody a techno watermelon on the internet as an insult and i just thought it was really funny and i adopted it as my name
adopted it david sacks
oh it's david sacks
and then our next question is for dan why the arch and why purple like why did you make those choices on the branding and we're just very curious about that
this is a a longer story but we have some logos that we never show ever
i we i remember cast with some of those
yeah those were those were even those
were the ones that are better than those oh ah there are even worse versions
so some of the original logos we've we've totally memory holed but yeah so i think i i'm not a designer but i play 1 on tv and so i was messing around in figma and varun was not happy with the logo and i i don't know i ended up so farcaster obviously comes from the hyperion cantos the the books and it's an arch
okay
so we were trying to kinda come up with a logo that would kind of symbolize that and i thought doing something too sci fi is gonna have too much detail and so it's something that looked a little bit more like the arc de triomphe seemed simple i think i found some ccc 0 you know svg and then i removed a bunch of the detail so that's about it
amazing okay i was i i've been we've been wondering these questions and now we have like you know better questions but those are ones i had to start with i'm
like can i just i know we have questions but we got questions hyperion you guys have both read
yep varun remembers it i don't remember it i wrote it in high school so
how important do you think it is for anyone how connected to like forecast or
do you are you giving your book recommendation are you trying are you signing homework right now
no i'm just curious i downloaded it i read the par first paragraph and i was like nah but but i'm making a big bet on farcaster so do i have to go pick it up or does it not matter
no i the the name is pretty much the only thing we borrowed
alright you'll you'll do well
so i i haven't read it since christian that is involved with the farcaster stuff
yeah so turns out spoiler alert that the farcasters are really really bad and controlled by ais and bad things happen but it was a cool name so we kept it
cool name donker read the book is what we say we never we don't read the book you wanna take the next question this is all your this is your idea
oh yeah okay so i remember a balaji tweet one time where yep
are you referring to that balaji tweet or no
no no no
no no no no no
no no
no no
no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no
no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no
kinda how twitter under jack is gonna be different than twitter under elon
do you have thoughts on farcaster under dan yeah what's farcaster under dan mean
well i think both of us and and i think what i would say is it's probably in reverse so we had a lot more influence in the early days in terms of like i mean it was literally gated by our taste but i think in a world where it is actually permissionless and you don't have to have any relationship with webcast or the core team to participate on the protocol and or build your own client and community i actually think you're gonna have many different people's taste and so i think the the initial group of people who you know have influence on the protocol and kind of the the shape of the protocol that that that will last for a long time in the same but over time you know look in new york city there there are new neighborhoods or neighborhoods that kind of rise up because now now this area was cheap because it wasn't in the original core so i i think if it's gonna be a little bit more dynamic and in a world where there is no centralized algorithm or or moderation then the the taste is gonna get much more diffuse over time
alright next one that's youtube
you think we do this every day
can i talk more about the founder moderated stuff no can i just keep i just this is a good conversation okay i just i know i have my time questions alright
i'm gonna be the one who like 10 minutes time
early on do you can you i think early on when i came in i think you you're thinking future and it doesn't matter and i like love that that's kind of why like one of the reasons i came was because i really like the there's not one person in charge and i love you were so visionary so you were always like it doesn't matter what i think it doesn't matter what i think
i don't
know if you remember that or if you had that vibe or something but i just i think it's like it was really important to me and i want i'm like i'm excited to get to the point where it doesn't and i but but i like early on i remember just vibes wise feeling like people were really looking at you for guidance and i don't know if you want like you had you have tremendous kind of vibes and i don't know i just
i think that's a good thing but also i'd say one other thing to that i think your senses of humor helped shape a culture and i think that's important too
that's not scary because my i have 3 younger brothers and they all think i'm not funny
yeah you are and rune is too i don't know secret funny person no no you really you really are some of your cast are hilarious like they're they're these little subcasts
some of them are
hilarious cast i said some i said some not all some i can't even understand yeah i mean like i have to ask her what i'm like i don't know what he just said can you explain but i think there's like i think what you're trying to get to is like it is the founders are shaping the culture
yeah
absolutely yeah
yeah and it's not meant to be a hard like i'm
not yeah no no no
i think you emphasized builder creator i think you amplified a lot but
so so have you ever built like a campfire
yeah
in like a windy environment
no because if you do it in
a windy environment if you've ever done that basically the campfire goes out
yeah
so if you're not there constantly feeding it fuel and oxygen it it will die and i think a lot of early farcaster i mean literally it's like me posting on the timeline because verona's actually working and i'm i'm the one like kind of nudging it's like anyone responding anyone posting anything on farcaster i tried to give a reply to
yeah
anytime i said something remotely funny in the office dan would say can you please cast that right now
i mean we were like like literally it's like could we get to a 100 casts a day at the top level and so i think that is how the first couple of years very much felt and you get to finally a point when you're building a fire that it becomes a bit more self sustaining obviously you still need to continue to fuel fuel it and then in a situation where you have a wildfire it it it can just kind of spread on its own i don't think we're quite there yet but i think that there's a version of the world where it was like any given weekend that i didn't actually use farcaster there were gonna be no posts so i i think we're we're beyond that point now which is a good thing but i
i think we're well beyond
right but i
but i weekend off then
but i think that there's a version of the world where like you kinda have to will the thing into existence
yeah
until it actually takes on a shape of its own and so by virtue of you doing that you're gonna have a huge imprint on just culture and and who who's active yeah so for better or for worse that that is the the seed of the community and then i think what i hope is that you're gonna actually start to have it be multipolar right like i actually just don't want it to be the group of ogs that have i think a lot of influence in the network obviously i'm extremely grateful for everyone who's participated and and i personally think that that group is actually a good group to like build a social network around but i think farcaster is only successful if you get to a world where i can come into farcaster and not even care about the lore and the history of the network but use it actually as a protocol because of all the the other functionality that it has that is gonna be potentially self self sustaining beyond whatever work we're doing
awesome alright well thanks for going down that with me because that's kinda what interested me i'm like the
even if it interests
i think if you i know i'm sorry thank you all
the other thing just to remember is like basically most people on the network who have a kind of big audience are kind of like again this idea of ogs i didn't know who they were before they're just like internet strangers
yeah
and now they're internet friends but like and and and now in person but i think you know my like the people i onboarded from my network all were like cool you're working on a decentralized social and then they just never came back right now they come back and they're like look at my low fid and it's like yeah okay who cares so but like i how can
you spot how can you spot a a friend of dan's they have a really low fid and they haven't cast it since you know 2022
right and and i mean like look there are people like jacob and jesse who were early and then stuck around
but i before that
but i think that there's also a this i actually said this idea yesterday or 2 days ago someone i try not to blow people up but sometimes the reply kind of annoys me so i do the quote cast thing maybe i shouldn't but someone was like oh everyone below 10,000 fids should get a special badge i'm like no like the what what have you done for farcaster lately is proof of work right like that ultimately is is what's valuable and you know i think cameron made a point the other day and i and i kinda played off of it but like i think people should weigh less index on followers and more on just like who's responding to your cast like in engaging with you and having conversations yeah
and we
can probably do a little bit more work there i mean followers is such an ingrained social media like baseline metric but the reality is is like who's engaging with your cast is far more interesting to me than than like total aggregate number of followers
i also think you know i your one of my favorite cast from you is farcaster requires proof of work and i have that saved at some eventually i'll make a shirt with it but i haven't done that yet
my advice
so remind me that because the og went to 938 people who were active not 938 people with the lowest fids
i think i got like 200 or 300 different dms over the last like you know a year being like oh i was an og i need the og nft i said the the criteria was you were active and they were like well i was active before and i was like you had to be active literally the 2 weeks before yeah like we that that's actually what matters because the social network is a living thing right you don't get credit for like having participated in history like you know it's it's it's like now like what what are you doing for farcaster now is actually how people should be thinking about it
and i do think that nft will have more value for those who didn't sell it who held it somewhere down the road and i i'm i'll do you
know any of those people
i know a couple
of those
i think they're sitting right here and there's a couple over there i know that but i yeah i do think that's that's important go ahead
yeah no it's just on the followers and the only just my experience and my advice to people is don't like really don't focus on followers focus on and this is like my personal note it's just how do you feel when you use farcaster and that's kind of all that matters like what's your experience and i had very small number of followers and i would talk to a very small number of people and i felt really good like it was energizing
yeah
and very much so kind of focus less on the externalities and more it's
not your work alright every time something happens that your worth is not your worth badge and she's like follow her account power badge but you know that's not your worth alright it's not your worth maroon
you put out a great vlog this week
i still don't understand it
who read
it who read it like actually how many of you understood it it was like 2 it was i'm kidding it was it was she did yeah she got it
i read it on the plane loved it i
can i quiz you on it
yeah absolutely please do that would be amazing i would love that
here's okay so not a dev used to be it's been a long time i'm finding the forecast like endlessly fascinating and so this is kind of the you talked about the what is it your delta graph
yep that's right
and i just feel like you're solving a very interesting computer science problem is there i just so really i just wanted to bring it up because i wanna plug it because i think people should read it but is there any kind of highlights from
the blog you wanna i'm the professor she's giving homework she keeps giving homework
she wants you to read books and hyperion and these blogs
there you go
let's see what's a good takeaway i i think the most interesting thing is maybe in the in the conclusion of the blog post where so the the the quick summary of it is to build forecaster we ended up coming up with a new kind of consensus model which is slightly different from how blockchains work and slightly different from how the traditional decentralized networks like the internet and email work and this was like the right balance that helped us scale a social network you don't run into all the friction of i have to pay for every post that i make and all of the stuff that you do with blockchains and at the same time you don't run into all of the challenges that you do with email and with where things are fragmented and it's very difficult to start an email server today because everyone has their own setup and it's different and i i think the cool thing that it will do for forecaster like this model is it will make it very easy for developers to get started and build new things and for companies like nayanar to actually get access to data and make it available to others but i think the really interesting takeaway for folks here is what else could you take this model and apply it to like what other kind of consumer app that was previously hard expensive or difficult to decentralize on a blockchain can you now do if you copy the model that we've taken and taken it to your application
and maybe to add so kiwi news obviously tim and and mac they off that is actually a kind of loosely similar to how farcaster works in terms of the off chain component
okay
and i actually just learned last night that zuora actually has an off chain pool of premints now that is similar using a similar kind of architecture which i kinda like because jacob was the on chain maxie who told me originally that like we should be doing the social network on chain and so now even you know to see zuora doing some of this stuff off i i i think to vern's point it's it's very much a new tool in the toolkit because i think prior it was either you're on chain or you're federated and it's actually something that's that's new in in the middle
i think that's really cool yeah that helped me understand it a little better too so thank you yeah can i ask my my benroy question alright so benroy had casted recently benroy from c club about that you should hire a cmo and an ecosystem person which i don't even know what that would mean but so you had some good comments back and forth i think you actually convinced him a little bit there but and i totally disagree obviously i might have some bias on this but what do you think in terms of what you see that's already been being done by others in a decentralized permissionless way that's working and where do you see the holes would be my first question and where at what point would you think yes this is the time when we do need a cmo or somebody to really take the lead on marketing like is there a certain dao number for example
yeah so i mean sometimes i respond to things to be a little bit more provocative just from a
just for fun
yeah just make it a little bit more interesting but
we only do that on twitter we don't
do that
on twitter
so let let's just go through a couple of questions who's the cmo of ethereum
yeah i know exactly
i would argue that it's been pretty successful right it's like you didn't need a cmo there was never a like a like a distinct like okay like we hired this like person who came in from pepsi and they're doing these ads and none of that right so why why does ethereum work is like fundamentally it's decentralized it's bottoms up right in in a world where we have a cmo and that that that's their just you know mandate to do all this stuff do do cameron and gren feel the agency to go create farcon right and then ted to pick take it on the next year and and you know like you know we have a a weekly podcast gm farcaster doesn't exist and so i actually think if if you really believe in a kind of credibly neutral decentralized protocol you actually need that to be a bottoms up and frankly the the founders are the that's our job in terms of like if you want the narrative and and the kind of core things that the cmo is supposed to do and one of my questions was what are we not doing today right that you think a cmo is gonna do because if we really actually think that's important we should be doing that right like it it's it's not something to delegate it's the same thing when people are like you should hire a community person
yeah
it's like that no no that's my job right like it it it's so i i think when we get to a point where we have a very clear model for put amount of resources in over here or money and then out the other side you get more users or or kind of then i actually think you can start to like build a machine around doing that but i still think we're very much in discovery mode so any version of us trying to outsource that to another person and not having like a a true sense of like what's happening on the ground and what are the gaps like it it ultimately i i don't actually think the cmo solves that it what i would say is it should just be a critique of what we're doing and it's like what what should we be doing differently and then we should decide whether that should be a priority or not and then just go do it
and the other thing i was thinking about is you saw what happened like frames friday hits and everything goes crazy dgen everything goes you know you have all these new users and you know if you're not ready from the because they were also there was a point about you're hiring too many developers or you're focusing too much on that and it's like well that's not ready and that foundation isn't ready for a 1000000 people if you all of a sudden have a 1000000 out of nowhere and also all the other pieces that go with that like nayanar and all you know super all these other people aren't ready for that it's not going to matter that they're there because they're going to leave immediately if things aren't ready for them because they're going to get frustrated when things are down and all that so
i think it's also like one of the things one of the anti patterns you sort of see is like people trying to larp start up but don't really understand what it's like or larp starting a community or a movement it's the pattern often is what works at a big company oh you have a c t c level title that has this let's try to bring them on board here and make this work and that never really pans out i think like the way dan and i have have approached this is what's the actual problem that needs solving who do we need to get on the team to solve that and then keep grinding through that one step at a time until we get to the right place and not starting with what is the org structure for a big company look like and how do we hire those people now
22 other things so one what is the value from a marketing standpoint of my mole post
right yeah
like it it's it's mimetic it creates culture it it like obviously everyone's roasting me that's completely fine and so i i think like you can't fake that right and and no one is gonna be able to come up with that like ultimately it's it's actually participating in the culture is is some of the best marketing and then the second thing i would say is like i i still believe that the single best marketing thing we have is when you open a forecast and you say new version of available restart like that itself is is like the culture that we're building is like we are making progress all of the time and when we get to some level of maturity where that's not happening as much i i hope that's a while but at the same time like then then you have to start thinking about okay how do you how do you broaden this but right now i actually think it's like every time we make progress and release something that's interesting whether that's you know within warcrafts or at the protocol that's actually the best marketing we can do because it creates passionate fans creates interest from developers and and that i actually think is is the best possible marketing we could have
totally great we actually had that restart thing on one of our episode cover cover art because it was right around frank's friday it was like every time you logged in it was like restart restart restart and i was happy about it it's not and i think that's if you're if you're here you're a lot more tolerant especially early on of and you understand startups you're very tolerant and more tolerant than anybody who's doing anything with startups and trying beta things and all that because it's fun and you understand that this is gonna happen and this is part of the part of the deal this is how you this is how you grow
we just talked about we didn't know what testflight was before i had
no idea what testflight was until we
had warpcast on testflight
and i
was like and now it's not just warpcast but how many dozens of other apps that we're trying from people and testflight just becomes something that you use
yep and i think the one other thing that we have is our app is in react native so we have this thing called otas and one of the you know people critique using react native because it's not as performant sometimes but the one thing you can do with react native that you can't do with a build like a native build is like you can ship multiple times per day without having the app store have to do the review right there's a little bit of a gray area but it's nice because it allows us to move a lot faster
oh so that's the trade off so if we complain about performance i
mean you can ask for it on this side i think like people should be close to performance of native but
no
i think we can get to pretty good performance with this too at least for what we're doing in the scale that we're at
mobile's amazing
by the
way you know i'm like after you on desktop it's it's just me
it's just me and i'm
but you're sitting next to me now
does anyone want desktop desktop improvements okay there's a couple
so you
want more desktop app
so no no no
the back story for this is it's just the like the browser version and it's literally i know i'm one of the few people but i'm gonna i i'm sitting next to you so now i just feel like
i have to do this and i didn't she's having an actual customer service conversation
the the backstory behind this is adrianne comes to our office and she says i have this issue but i'm gonna be there in person and you can fix it for me and as soon as she comes in it stops happening i've just never seen it happen again until you left
exactly you just needed to connect to their network yeah that was fine i would go to the chris dixon one
okay
alright so chris dixon talks about outside in versus out no inside out versus outside in technology so inside out are the technologies that have to kind of come from the big companies so ai it requires tons of funding outside in more happening on the fringes blockchain notoriously an outside in technology the outside in tends to attract
i can't remember how eloquently he said it i call it kind of the weirdos and the rebels so what in your childhoods
wow
happened that attracted you and like obviously we're all by the way i'm so sorry
safe space these are your people
we're the wackos but
like does that do you identify that you've always been a bit of a a rebel and a like kind of an early adopter and for both that's a question for both of you or is this more like in a different way
definitely a bit of a weirdo i think dan and i both spent a lot of time in weird online communities in very different ways whether it was world of warcraft for me or i don't know what the equivalent is for you dan eve online eve online there we go but i i i think we spent a bunch of time doing things that were weird and interesting and nerdy just because it was really really fun and tinkering around with kind of what was on the frontier and i think that's why we we liked playing around like both of us actually when we're in college in different ways ended up building apps on different social networks dan built something on twitter i built something on facebook at the time and so it was a very natural fit many years later that when we got together and started talking about what to build that tinkering around the frontier of social was something that we got very excited about
that just reminded me of cassie did an amazing talk yesterday and was talk like kind of went through like the history of you know computers and like you know talking about the the homebrew and and you know the what you know them actually going through and building these you know very janky things and but that's how you get there so i thought that was really interesting and and i could see those connections and it kind of relates to that outside in anything and your parent were your parents both here the other night
yeah my parents were here yesterday
is your brother here is goose here
goose is not here no
how dare he not show up that's ridiculous
they're expecting a baby so oh okay
that's fine then fine alright fine goose
yeah but my parents were here because they were helping with the
kids this week
oh that's amazing yeah my parents are not actually very technical so it's kind of a like maybe a response of just doing something different
and
i actually like went into college i was gonna major in computer science and they convinced me that all the it jobs were going overseas and so that's what they literally said and so i ended up majoring in english which not not the
best use
of my time but i i i generally similar to verona i think i spent a lot of time on the internet and the coolest thing my parents ever let me do was like i got to use an old computer that i like fixed up in my room and and just having access to the internet and so i spent a lot of time on wikipedia forums things like that
oh that's really cool
yeah so i generally i i think the big thing for me in having been in silicon valley for 10 years before moving down here is
i always gravitate towards the things where we're we're like to use chris' thing like what people do on the weekends yeah it's like basically if there's a show hn and and hacker news has since i think gotten like worse and it's like very anti crypto but that ethos of like call it around 2010 or 2012 where it's just like people showing weird things that they're building like here's a link to a repo that that's still like the highest form of like something that i can click on in the morning because i'm just like someone built something they put it out on the internet and maybe other people get interested
i feel like that's war cast all the time too
right so
like here's something here's something cool i just built over the weekend isn't that neat like that's really fun
i i always say this to people but it's like if you've built something on farcaster and it frankly doesn't even have to be on farcaster but you wanna share with people on farcaster if you send it to me as a dc and i click through it and it seems somewhat interesting i'm gonna recast it because i just think it's like that's such a an amazing expression of it it takes courage like i worked on this thing and i wanna share it with the world and people can be pretty brutal and i think on farcaster it's actually quite nice it's the anti hacker news of like a lot less cynicism optimism is you know like default so i i think that's good may maybe it won't be always like that but right now it's pretty great
and that kind of leads to one of our other questions about so the hackathon is starts this afternoon far hack what are you hoping to see from that and any advice for anyone who's hacking later
i think the thing that i'm most excited to see is what people do with the new action frames so the thing that horseback and tony launched on wednesday when you click on one of the custom actions now you you actually get like a frame that pops up and it can take you through a wizard and you can do all kinds of different things so if you're tipping somebody you can now select which currency how much you wanna tip plug all of that in and so i think i think we're very excited to see what people do with it and frankly very excited to see what people do that we never thought they would do
think of yeah that's yeah
and i mean just just to like put a point on it they're composable right and i actually didn't even appreciate this when the team was building it but you could use you know paybot in your in your flow right and it you could you could start with your action in your frame but then call another frame and flip it over so i i think people are gonna get more and more sophisticated with how they do these kind of multi multi action yeah you know frame flows which will be cool
our our team has already built a action which will turn any cast into a ticket in our linear dashboard internally so if you ever have a bug report one click boom
oh that's cool love it that's really cool yeah and and
i think that the thing i would say is what i said yesterday is i really we need to do our job of getting everything into the protocol you know over the next few months for channels but i think channel specific clients if i was to bet like 2 years from now do you have a breakout app on on farcaster it's it's an app that starts with a channel and uses the the kind of like groundswell from a specific community to actually to boost it
is nouns the first gonna be the first client single client
so nouns another one nouns has 3 projects that they've funded which i think is great and i think you know they were basically the first community outside of like farcaster to actually come into farcaster i think you know noun 40 and and
some of
the others you know seneca todie
noun 40 basically said on twitter we're all going to warpcast and then they all decided right
and and it was and i
was already there and i'm like what what we've been telling you forever why didn't you listen and nope he it had to come from him
right so but but i think that that early group and then you and others and so like i'm excited to see how that plays out because very early on they were actually some of the first people saying hey i want different functionality for channels yeah and nudging people towards building new clients i actually think is is the right way to do it rather than always lobbying work cast to be like we want we want this right it's like actually work cast should try to keep simple
and push it an opportunity for a new client yep
sounds like that's another shirt we gotta get those shirts done should we move to rapid
fire and let these guys
i think yeah and then we can just end with the the one of those but yeah go ahead good lightning round this is adrian's lightning round if you're familiar like just you know buckle up it's gonna
be fun
don't overthink it just whatever comes to your head
arch d gen hat higher arrow tattoo which one did you get last night i mean what did you get
arch arch
okay hold on i have a follow-up question so i walked around with these temporary tattoos last night and i told people they had to pick 1 i do have more of these for you all it's your pfps so it was interesting it was like a little social experiment most of the devs and the gamers picked varun and most of the artists designers creators and nouns folk picked picked the pirate so there you go so if you didn't want an actual tattoo you can get dan and barun tattoos i've got them for you later okay continuing
last thing you bought with crypto v
an ice cream
this coffee
coffee with crypto is super cool too mountain or beach
beach mountain
favorite channel
electronic music
oh tropical house
what there's a tropical house channel
dan just started this 2 weeks ago he's
really solid never even heard of that
it's verne's favorite type of music
you know what
there's there's there's a lot of backstory
alright it's it's banned from the office
you guys did you hear the dj sets last night
this is not part
of my rapid fire how good were they
they were great they were great
yeah
fantastic yeah that was a
lot of fun
do you know who shut down the place last night
what do you mean
like who was here last
ted
no me herb oh yes okay
i was not i was gone
me and kbc okay is farcaster too nice
no
no last book you read
i think it was
how to win the time war
and this is a recommendation for
for the date like what is the date where the farcaster thesis will be tested where a farcaster celebrity gets deplatformed and has to go build their own client and successfully does that
this is rapid fire
yeah that was a very
that was not supposed to
be in rapid fire
i have a bet it's probably brian gwan and i mean he he has the capability of building an unlonely client for people who wanna be unlonely
and mike is that may 15th are we like 2 weeks
i have dinner with him on monday so it could be tuesday
okay tuesday
brian wherever you are i'm following you to your new client favorite us city that you don't live in new york correct answer
yeah new york
correct correct
camping that
must be boston dan
i'm a little
camping or hotel
hotel camping
football or soccer
soccer
football oh you changed
what oh alright i i was referring to the real football
i was like wait a minute wait a minute that's not what you were talking about i that that it's
it's the the game you kick with your feet is called soccer
that was open to that's
what i thought
i was open to interpreting
that for a minute
alright kiwi skin on or off
you know when the kiwi meme came out i'd never actually eaten a kiwi before
what and you have since
yeah but with
and without
no skin
yeah
i don't like fruit seriously me either
we don't see the question of what's going on are in yarn it's so obvious
but you guys are adults so start eating fruit
i don't wanna it's good for me okay
you need to ask my last one friend
you have an estimate
oh okay this is not a lightning round okay so this is not a lightning round but it is a question for vi and then i have one to end with vi we all connect on a social network and we obviously this is a url to irl but when was your first internet friend
like true true internet friend
yeah like what was your first experience meeting someone online first and making a friend
it was definitely world of warcraft we had like a very serious raiding guild going on and i was playing on australian servers because there were no indian servers at the time and there was a crew of people there that i knew very well
nice
and dan if you wanna you answered this for us in episode 38 but if you wanna answer again just for those who are here who may not have heard what was your first internet friend that you made do you remember now
did i answer
this question you did you did
i'm not i'm not gonna remember
the it was some game it was some like online game i can't remember what it was which one
well it was either eve online before that it was probably counter strike
one of them
i thought it was just like facebook in college or something no
well because i
was like i'm watching i have
to go back and watch it
i would say i would say 2 people 1 my college roommate i actually it was in the era
of facebook
yeah facebook you basically you'd get your email address assigned from college and then the summer before like this is 2006 right so it's like facebook is still like just unbelievably cool and so getting access to facebook like you you go on and then you had all this like you'd tag all your interests and then you could just creep on every single person in your your incoming class and i ended up meeting my college roommate through that he was pretty weird and so we ended up becoming really close friends and yeah so that that was a that was like real friend via the internet but then the other one is twitter actually i mean i've met so many people through twitter and now obviously farcaster because i i think it's like some of the closest friends i have from silicon valley were people i met on twitter first and ended up meeting in in person
i've some of my closest friends i've met on warpedcast first and lastly we wanna ask you how can we not just us but we the collective we out there help you as you're growing this network
stumped them
i have 2
go ahead
honest feedback i mean people say that i'm not receptive to feedback i always want feedback and you can do it more aggressively in dcs or if you wanna do it publicly i might go back and forth with you but i think like honest feedback is the only way we're gonna actually get to some level of truth of figuring out how to make this work and then i think the second thing is if like you want interesting inviting them to the network and then kinda being a little bit of their sherpa at the beginning because i think it's pretty intimidating but and and we can do better job with webcast to like make that a little bit more welcoming and you can imagine sending an invite link from your account actually kinda creates a little bit more of a personalized onboarding experience mhmm but i think ultimately people stick around on social networks because their friends are there and so if you're already friends with someone in in the real world and you wanna bring them into farcaster and have them meet all these other people i think i think that's actually super impactful because when we talk about something like qdao like that that's that's actual qdao right and and so i think you know easy for me to ask but well it's actually a lot of work for people but i think it enriches the experience and and it's i think really cool if like you know someone outside of farcaster bring them in and then they end up meeting other people seems like a interesting thing to do with friends yeah
the only thing i would add is and i mean you guys are already doing a great job of it but giving people on farcaster ways to connect outside of the feed whether it's through a conversation whether it's in person like this i think that's what really strengthens the ties in the community
i agree i think the meet ups that we've had just even smaller like things at eatdenver you know all those kinda even the small small meet ups too i think are really important and help sort of solidify people coming back alright i think that's it anything anything else that you wanna announce or say before we before we let you head off to far hack
thanks for doing this podcast yep
thanks
thanks for having us
thank you for permissionally letting us so and not having a cmo and that's it that's episode 100 thank you