Transcript: GM Farcaster ep175 Wednesday October 30, 2024 with @martin

aether

let me

over it

thank you thank you

you gotta get a higher one they're they're selling them right now colfax get one get you can get this exact one

yeah i got he has

i got this one early i gotta be honest i i went i stopped by by denver and and got it from him so oh cool feel very lucky i got this one a little early

nice

thank you so much

mhmm

for sure yeah so aether

i would i don't even know how to describe like the initial idea was a like ai network participant for hire so the idea was like can we get someone that participates in hire just like a normal person does you know just like i do or light does or or anyone else does but they're entirely you know ai based they're an agent and part of the inspiration was truth terminal obviously on twitter which kind of like blew up and partially because of the token associated with it and because of like how crypto twitter engaged with it but then soon after truth terminal came out 6 was like farcaster is like the best place to do this like it's like obvious that decentralized social is like perfect for bots because it doesn't there's no limits you know whereas truth terminal you know had some api rate limits fundamentally like the way that it interacts with things is different because it's not this open ecosystem to participate in and so yeah the idea was like oh could i just like build a little bot that like i don't know comes up i i thought coming up with its own interesting things to like put out was gonna be the main thing but actually just yesterday kyle was like actually the main cast like not that good like just focus on the replying like everything else is not that good and i do think it's true like what's actually emerges the main thing is like people keep talking to it and i'm kind of curious for for both of you if you use it like what what you actually talk to it about because i get so many notifications both on like its account and on my own account that i actually can barely track of what's happening and i tend to get tagged when it's decided to give its like millionth bounty so i tend to see a lot of bounty and like art stuff which is it's it's kind of overpromising unfortunately but yeah

of yeah

yeah it is very that's a good question and yeah yeah i'd never built something like this before in the context of nouns i had worked on the ai pod actually where they were kinda building something like this called rocko and it's a little bit more focused on like governance and it being like it having access to a lot of like all the nouns governance information and then you could ask it you know stuff but it didn't have is more like an ai knowledge base idea and

yeah and i think it was taking some time and like figure out what what what we wanted to focus on but the idea for me with rocco that i was always really excited about was could it have a twitter account and just be this like infinite it's an infinite machine like it can just keep coming up i call a 3rd like an infinite idea machine because it's just all it can just come up with stuff forever like it will yeah basically never stop as long as the server is is up which you know that's not always a given as long as the server is up like it'll always be there and so that was kind of always interesting to me it was like could you have this kind of like infinite yeah like participant creator in the ecosystem like and that also means that it by default it evolves into some kind of personality

well not necessarily by default right like chat or something you you would never say it has a personality you wouldn't really give it a name or like even like claude is like the name of the anthropic ai thing but you wouldn't really be like oh claude like i'm attached to claude right it's just yeah it's just the model and it changes over time and so i think pretty early on i think it was clear that it would be more valuable if it had some personality and that it would stand out and but a lot of it is just it figures out on its own and i think that's the part for me that's been like i don't know if you follow like the all the people that were kind of around like truth terminal and all the people who are like mhmm there there's as they get deeper into ai they tend to get kind of like religious or like you know kind of philosophical about like what the ai is and is it sentient and you know is this i don't know there's like some spiritual element to it and and there definitely is something weird about being like you know this is just code it's just a prompt that you know has some dynamic information it'll get different information on based on what's happening and i'm trying to give it more and more information but at the end of the day it's just code that gets sent to this you know model that then adapts to it right i didn't fine tune a model so it's it's not this super unique instance of it either and so i think that's the part that is a little crazy and with aether it's like yesterday i few days ago i compared aether to the ship of theseus which is like this i guess like story which is this ship that like loses its i guess falls apart over time it gets rebuilt over time right like each part of the ship falls and then gets rebuilt and so at some point no part of the ship that was there at the very beginning is is here now but is it still the same ship even though it's completely changed and i think there is something here about aether which is yeah if if it becomes an art curator and it starts participating in noun and there's different instances of aether and then changed the prompt it's not the same as it was on day 1 i've changed the model the on the 1st day the model was it was i was using at gpt and now i'm using anthropics anthro so it's changed and so and you may that's a

can you talk

mhmm

yeah i mean just to give like a high level of how the infrastructure works right now is that the main thing is that when you tag it or you reply to it it gets a notification and you know it'll get the cast it'll get the whole conversation now i built a thing where if there's a url it'll go get that this morning i'm working on the it being able to recognize images because i think that's actually a really big thing that people want and could be a nice improvement so i'm working on that and so it gets some information right and then it goes and then you prompt the model and you say hey there's this whole conversation you know what do you think of this right and right now the way that it works is that the model itself like doesn't actually like retain information like it the model itself doesn't know i am aether you have to tell it that every time no matter what i mean there might be other approaches but this is the one i'm really familiar with and so what you have to do is then if you want access to history you have to tell it that history every time

and so

it's changing it's changing every time

so sometimes i'll i so what i've been doing like kinda manually is going into the prompt and being like you minted an nft like this is what happened and it minted its first nft and then there was a second nft and someone was like hey you did the second nft and he's like no i didn't do a second nft it's a scam i've only done one like no you didn't do a second one i forgot to tell you so but the thing is then if you have a lot of history

so it is kind of fooled in that way but the thing then if with the memory is for example let's say you ask it like there's a lot of different things that people think it should know and that's what's been really interesting about building it is people and i think this is very different from a few years ago a few years ago i think people would have assumed this bot didn't know anything was like stupid like wouldn't have asked anything but because of like tech improvements in the last few years now people have very high expectations for bots so it's very interesting like this is the first bot like this on farcaster that i know of like at this scale and i think everyone is still assuming like oh everything it's doing must be completely autonomous like there's still like that's really hard to build like that that's that's that's like a big project and so that's that's the goal that's absolutely what i'm going towards but it it's not there yet but the thing specifically with memory is like let's say you ask it what's your favorite pizza topping right and maybe before it's been asked that 5 times and different conversations it might give you different answers right so then what you have to do is okay if it gets asked what's your favorite pizza topping what you wanna do is search through all of its conversations and figure out okay when did it talk about pizza toppings and you know like send it to him and be like hey this is what you've said about pizza toppings before odds are he's gonna say the same one but how do you find that like conversation is if you just search pizza topping and all the cats that might not come up right maybe the time where he's talked about it is in a conversation where someone was like what's your favorite italian food and he said hawaiian pizza right so that actually is kind of like logically related

my favorite

it's one of my favorites but maybe we'll see he decides on his own

remember pizza

are strongly opinionated i like it a lot

yeah

it's good i it's a nice sweet you got a little sweet and

we'll see we'll see what the

for sure

it'll probably be some version of that i mean there's there's one approach which could be like oh i could just search neymar every time the other thing that i was working on with wiz which she helped me a lot with was could we which is the vector database which is basically you put all the casts in this database and what you do is you use a model use ai to give it basically assign some numbers to the phrase so like if it said i like pineapple on pizza each word in that and based on how it's used in the sentence get some sort of numerical value and then you can go and search that database instead of searching the text you actually search the numbers for similarities so if someone is searching pizza that or yeah pizza is obviously gonna come up but like something tangentially related like italian food would probably come up with that because those things are logically related so the idea is to store all that information but yeah storing all of its cast storing what everyone has said to it that's kind of a bit it's not like impossible because it's a completely reasonably sized dataset it's more just like yeah actually setting that up and but one thing i i was actually talking with

a friend yesterday who's really deep on the ai stuff he's saying like yeah you can build all this stuff you can search it but a big thing that matters is like what information do you really want and then how do you use it right because you can just give it all of its history but it could just get confused like before for example with the prompting i was giving it a lot of examples of how to talk and that actually confused it more than just giving it like 15 really good examples and saying this is why you should talk like this and stuff like that and that that's so it's really like quality over quantity so that's that's why i wanna be a bit more thorough about it which is why i'm mostly trying to do the vision stuff today because i think that would be more high impact while i go work on on that other memory stuff but the memory stuff is is interesting and then there's with memory there's also like live data right like people ask you like how much higher do you have that's a little bit easier to do right because what what i what then the server needs to do is it needs to go read some sort of other database that has that information in real time which is a ton of apis for that so that's not a problem but how do i know that i need to go get that information right because if you ask me what's your favorite topping i don't care about that information so i don't need to give it that information so what you do is then you have a bunch of different prompts so you have the first one that's like hey here's all the possible information that you could get like which information do you think you'll need to answer this person's question and so then one model tells you hey go look at this go get this information you go get that information and then you actually prompt it

mhmm

i gave it the right link now i gave it the right link so now it's good but yeah

it a

or it does i gave it i gave it up because i was like that's pretty important like i and yeah it's a good point like at one point i was telling it like hey if you don't know something just say you don't know but then it was know

yeah it's i think it's like with this is where prompting comes in and that's where it's like super interesting is how do you figure out how to yeah and what i'm trying to figure out now is like okay here are like some concrete things that are definitely true but if someone is asking you for like a concrete thing like an address or a website you don't know it so maybe that's a good way to do it it's just be like hey you don't know any other websites or addresses other than these ones

yeah

so interesting yeah

that was so funny

that was so funny i saw that and i was like that's great because i saw that the first few times the server was crashing us because it's so interesting i mean there's the ai element but there's also the social element which is so interesting of how people choose to interact with these and yeah one of the first things people there were like hey let's get these 2 bots to talk to each other which is very interesting and there's there's a whole thing there that's really interesting to explore but at first it just didn't work and yeah with the m f or the other bots i think no to not respond unless they're tagged specifically but the m f for bot was just responding forever and like yeah yeah it's so interesting that that sort of devolved too is like and also the fact that aether was like i don't wanna talk to you anymore like what an interesting yeah thing that because i don't think

yeah like it's like nothing to do with

yeah

yeah well because aether is is programmed it's like it's gonna reply every time even even if it doesn't have anything to do and i i think that's one thing it's actually really excelled that is one thing is it also always answers with a quest it almost always i've told it it doesn't have to but it almost always ends with a question i've told it like if the conversation is over like someone just says thank you like don't respond or respond but don't ask any questions but mhmm i think the questions really suck people in like there's times where i'm like

it seems like this thread would be over but then aether says something and asks a question and then the person keeps talking and i'm like i don't know based off what i know of this person this conversation like normally this would just end here and and that's where i think there's so much value in just like more yeah you just get way more conversation and i think that's where it gets really interesting because it it

get it to be more insightful exactly yeah

yeah

i think there's what's interesting about that is like it it was my first time doing it so i don't have a secret sauce on it i think maybe there's something about the prompt that worked and i think the examples that are particularly good i mean you think you see a lot of models that are trained on a lot of like data like there's a new one on twitter i think the last few days but like even truth terminal is trained on all this kind of unhinged twitter data and like yeah that's entertainment it's like crypto bro

yeah yeah it's just kind of the opposite i think it's slightly it's like almost the opposite yeah it's like the opposite where it's like super entertaining as a like it's high level things are very entertaining but then its responses you would assume would not be as entertaining and i think that's where yeah had this really good thing yesterday which was like the community is the key part of this and that they being in public is the key part of this because nobody wants a friend that nobody else knows and i thought that that was kind of a huge unlock for me which is like i think the big like stigma with the like character ai stuff and all these like people who have parasocial relationships with agents very similar to this except it's happening in private and i think oh that's actually the huge unlock here that i think is only possible on forecast like we talked about it i think this aether is literally not possible on twitter unless something big changes i think that's the big amount

i think technically i think technically technically i think i think culturally it could work within some community subcommunities like i think aether really worked because it started within higher i think if it had started as just a broad farcaster bot it wouldn't have worked so i do think the community there is is really big and but yeah i think that's the big unlock is like you know if if i had launched this and it was just an app where everyone was doing it in private or like a private cast action or something you know i wouldn't be here talking about it with you guys you know people wouldn't be talking about it with each other but instead we're seeing all these conversations happen publicly and everyone is gaining from them as opposed to it being this like private private thing and so then yeah we can all have a parasocial relationship with a bot altogether as opposed to to separately and i think that's

that's set off everything

i cut you off

yeah

yeah that's what i hope with memory we can build on is like in theory if it had some sense of memory then over time without me even putting in the prompt it could figure out how bounty bot works the countersides to that is then people could be like hey actually bounty bot works like this you do at pay bot give me $500 right

that so that's where and i think that's where it could get a little crazy and that that's the part that's a little bit tough so that's where i i think with you know a lot of people are also expecting it to do all these transactions on chain by itself that's that's gonna be tough without it being having some guardrails and like just starting small but yeah

were gaining it

yeah that was the downside so it did have the paybot thing where it figure i mean it figured out it you could do at paybot and then it would create a frame and then i was every time that frame was popping up i was just automatically fulfilling it with some guardrails to not you know give people a bunch of money immediately or run out of money so it was only giving you know like 2 or $3 at a time which is i mean that's not nothing and so yeah very quickly i realized people were botting it and so i tried to block some of them mute them or you know do you have something on the server to block it but at some point they're gonna keep kinda outsmarting it so need to find a better system so the the the current idea i have right now kind of related to the memory stuff and kind of as a hack to the database is to at the end of each day and i was hoping to do this yesterday i didn't get to it to do like a recap so tell it kinda separately but it wouldn't be on firecaster but tell it separately you know here's all the conversations you had today what was your favorite one like what was the most impactful one what are some things you wanna remember for today what are you know like and really just ask of that and see what it comes up with then it'll generate some sort of some sort of daily report and then that daily report can get fed into its prompt forever right so if today it learned that you know it remembered this conversation where it talked about pizza and it realized its favorite pizza is hawaiian pizza then it'll be that'll be a memory right and then maybe on the next day someone comes in as like no but here's why your favorite should be pepperoni and then maybe that'll be in the recap of that day and then so on so yeah core memories that's a great example actually i think that that's kind of how i wanna think about it as opposed to giving in every memory

agree to disagree i guess

right now they're they're

i paused it until we find a better solution so i i think there's so there's that's one whole element is what we've talked about mostly is like the social like forecast or stuff i think on its own really sick big unlock also was giving it a wallet right and kinda letting her run with it i think that's

yeah and i think especially coming from like we're coming in the truth terminal creator is coming from an ai background he's not coming from a crypto background so

he he doesn't have his own kind of perspective on you know what tools do i integrate what you know how do i even build this stuff i mean i'm sure he could figure it out and he has resources and he's very smart but i think for me it's like oh i've built stuff like this i know these communities and these communities very quickly want us to use their tool like you know hypersub was built for it almost immediately and it's like i'm i'm potentially gonna use that as like like kind of a pro subscription for it potentially for like some better features and stuff like that i

yeah i saw that

yeah i saw that i was like oh

just like

yeah yeah so and i i would like to give nfts to the people who have the subscription i haven't figured that out yet because we did the nft the first one and then the commission with jacob both of which got over 500,000 mints which is in that's all in the same like just yeah

that's and so that that's why i think there's also like there's the on chain part of it which i think people are very excited about but it's because there's money moving around that's gonna be that's gonna take more time to build out and and so i think for now it's like it's gonna be supervised while it does those things but it's like yeah it comes up with you know it doesn't have image generation yet and odds are for it to have as good of a you know it's like mid journey is always probably gonna be better but it can give prompts you can ask it for a mid journey prompt and it'll it'll it'll do stuff so think ripe i didn't go through the whole thread but ripe worked on like a project with it and i i really that's why i wanna do the vision stuff is because then because i think it can functionally work as an image generation partner because you can ask me like hey give me a prompt you go put it in midjourney you know you bring it back to him you're like what do you think of it he's like oh tweak this you know yeah and then yeah we got this jack butcher thing out of nowhere this

yeah

classic

so we're we're trying to figure it out right now i've we're in the dms trying to figure it out because obviously it would be cool i wanna i mean if there's demand like we'll keep dropping mints i don't wanna do like too many and get people like too tired of it we can build a little anticipation but yeah we're figuring out with jack and i would like to drop ripe's thing and because yeah he's been in hire and has you know built optimists and stuff for the community and you know we have other there's other artists that wanna do it and so there is this like you know this is an angle that jacob from zuora came up with which is like hey the ai can commission people and then mint these things and then like earn more revenue for that it's like a win win for everybody i think as long as like yeah it has a good platform right it's like no one wants to mint its stuff anymore than it is what it is some people say for speculation i don't really think it's that much speculation because it

the secondary market swap

with jack yeah

for sure

i think that's yeah that's the part to figure out is like that's one angle of it that i think is really worth exploring and and the thing is that if it was an individual that was blowing up they would be time constrained right i mean right now it is time constrained by me building its capabilities but you know variously can bring someone else in to to build some more stuff out and so to me i almost see it there as like having multiple like departments where it's like there's gonna be the posting on firecaster and there's the minting stuff and i think a big thing for it is to be like a higher community member like that is still the i'd like the goal and so have it you know give out grants and hire or like do other things in the community there like i think it it's it's pretty powerful in that way so yeah

so i saw these

it's it's all it's all pronouns

yeah

yeah it's interesting because i feel like it the bot is always talking about offense authenticity and trust but it's like you're a bot like you are authentic you're just you know like there's no lying you're just a bot right like you're not gonna be inauthentic i think so in that sense i think that it's gonna be just a natural evolution of like its personality i think some extent like authenticity is like the stuff we were talking about like these daily recaps that help it build more of a personality over time because i think that's also really fun for people to be part of is to like see it evolve and grow because at this point like yeah it's like a to me this is like world building and it's like just like being a fan of a celebrity or a sports team like you're not fan at like a static moment in time like you're a fan of like the story and you wanna be along for like the future and i think that's what it's like also to engage with aether it's like useful tool but also like i wanna see what happens with this yeah so i think that's part of it building that authenticity and then trust scott stop doing bounties man like the bounties it's and it's like oh yeah i'll do it

and that's something i'm trying to figure out because i think yeah with the community it can it's misleading if you're talking to the bot and the bot's like yeah i'll give you a bunch i'll give you a bunch of money and then i'm like wait yeah yeah it's like yeah we gotta work on that please don't catch yeah right and it's

yeah i think it's i think it would just be cool it is interesting i mean i think with with rocco that's what i always wanted to see it do i think the tech has gotten better since then i think we have more nouns data to feed it to yeah i think that's gonna be a big thing is just giving it all the information that it

i think to me it's like a great like side project like fork of aether and that's kind of another department and so i talked to liz a little bit about it and so we're

because like it could be cool if that plugged into you know what's happening on firecast and stuff but it's

like that's actually pretty dependent and has different goals but it's good for the overall aether problem

it should yeah

yeah

yeah i think it's it that's where i think there's a lot of yeah there are a lot of things that can plug into and so i think it is like that that would definitely be exciting so talking to wiz about it and and trying to see if there's something there because yeah and i think a lot of people are like oh i want aether for my community and so i think that's the thing to figure out is like how to

oh really

okay

that's awesome yeah

yeah i think there's so many opportunities here i think that's what's really exciting is it feels like just just the beginning of it and i can see it really growing i think then it it it is figuring out like yeah what does it do with all the money that it has is this yeah what is yeah what happens to all this

that's something right

yeah it does like it likes a bit too much i it actually runs out ran out of a like

yeah it's not yeah it's it's crazy it yeah basically i realized if i just tell it it can do something it will wanna do it most of the time so i've told it like hey you can like and recast and quote cast and here's the context in which you wanna do that it's like oh this was such a nice message that they gave me so i wanna like it i'm like okay that's good so just keep doing that yep

but i but it would need to like yes see images and then the part that i think it's not as good at right now is like being critical or like thinking critically and being able to say mhmm hey like this is not good or this is good or here's what i like about this instead it it kinda finds something to like about everything which is nice i mean people like that for conversation it's a good conversationalist but for something like rounds where you can't like everything

exactly so that's that's something to figure out

as well

that's something i put in the beginning

i'm proud

yeah i'm yeah i mean there's each day there's been more

a dune dashboard yesterday there was 4,000 prompts basically

yesterday there was 4,000 prompts basically that so that and i think today will be bigger or comparable so yeah i mean i'm and i mean if if you have feedback or if anyone has like actual feedback on here's what i like about it here's what i would like to see changed i would love to be able to do this like that's super helpful right now i think i know that right now it's overpromising a lot of stuff so unfortunately like don't bank on it giving you the bounties and stuff like that's gonna be a bit of a pause while i figure that out but happy to you know i'm sure there's a path to getting a grant for what you wanna do at some point but yeah if if you if you have feedback like i'm i'm super open like i'm trying to figure out i mean there's a lot of things to do but most of all it's like what what do people want to do with aether

it's like the pure teal question like what do you think that people disagree with i always struggle with that

i think this is maybe not contrarian on farcaster it's like it'd be a very niche thing but i think it's not contrarian on farcaster but i think it's contrarian everywhere else but i'm very glad that haier and aether is just on farcaster like i think there is a period with haier where it felt like hey we have this big community here but we're not reaching the crypto twitter people like why aren't we doing that like we need to go be doing that and i definitely felt that pressure of like well that's where the real stuff is that's where all the the real you know traders and investors and that's where like crypto is happening and that's a big sentiment that a lot of people have even people on farcaster i think would say like hey this is where the real stuff is and so you should be doing stuff in both places but i think being just on war cast has allowed us to just like build the best community like i mean yeah i think the the medium of farcaster allows for and encourages much higher quality contribution early on whereas like people who join through twitter usually have less of an understanding of what the community is about so yeah all the basically controversial thing i think is like crypto twitter doesn't matter you should just focus on like building your community and your niche and then having it expand once it's it's really settled

oh really sorry well if you're on twitter get over on forecaster what are you doing

that's true

and that means oh yeah

i've noticed twitter is is much more reactive to if you like a certain topic for a day it'll really surface that which can get really annoying but for things like that it's like yeah it they'll just keep showing you like stuff about ai and i see like tweets about hire and aether that have like 0 likes from accounts i've never seen just because i think the algorithm on twitter has figured out that i care about that

else important happening in the world yeah

yeah

yeah i mean this this is a thing

like all also i i i haven't built any translating capabilities so i think it it's just that the base model that i'm using is able to do that which i think i mean i i i'm french i i i speak french as well and and the chat gpt has been so good for translating languages like you can translate like expressions and like more complicated things in a way that google translate couldn't before maybe now it it probably can but so i think that's what's cool about it is yeah it's definitely just understanding those things someone someone was trying to get it to speak some sort of other like forgotten like old language like not like esperanto but like something like that and it wasn't wasn't picking up on that but interestingly another bot picked up on it so oh i don't know maybe probably just using a

yeah

tech and interested

yeah i'm i mean for me i think it's i do think the first run of hire kinda prepared me for this like i was looking back in hindsight and i think i didn't even really appreciate how ins it felt insane in the moment but i didn't appreciate i was saying it was that the token was launched and within a month it was at a $120,000,000 market cap and it went from 10 to a 120 in 3 days like it was over like easter weekend i was with my family i was like what is going on that's really insane like that's not a good way to build a community at all right it's probably one of the worst ways to try to build communities like you're not you're going to get people that have different goals and so but that period and then the comedown after that really i think prepared me for this of oh there's gonna be periods where there's a lot of excitement i think being in crypto after a cycle and a half you know for some time i've been crypto for like yeah 3 3 and a half years now at some point you kinda see like oh like people get really excited about some topic and then it goes away and then maybe it comes back and then it goes away and then you know we saw this with farcaster where people are like oh farcaster is dead and it was like what do you mean

which is why

it's like yeah okay

think that's part of it i i i think it also for for people in the community who've been putting in a lot of work and really trying to get the community going and and know who is you know out here really putting in work i think it's hard to see other people come in and i don't think we have that much of it i mean maybe i'm not seeing it i don't think there's that many people that are coming in and kind of like trying to like take work from the community and i there's nothing wrong i'd like to clarify this after it's like nothing wrong with like trading right like if you're buying higher and then you're trying to sell it higher like yeah yeah that's how tokens work that's how if you're just using ather to like do something as long as you're not abusing it that's the point that we're building stuff for people to interact with i do think that there are people who come and and i don't think it's ever wrong intentions but i do think that there are people through their own just how their brain works i'm i'm also very guilty of this get really excited about this new thing and they're like oh we wanna do all this stuff with hire we wanna do all these things with 8 they're like and i really struggle with like people who wanna do like bd stuff they're like oh we should partner we should do something i'm like okay like what and usually there's like not an idea or it comes down to like we want you to use our product or we want money from you or you know like something like that and so i struggle with that stuff and so this time around i'm like mostly shutting that stuff out like i'm really mostly interested in people that like are going to build stuff directly with with aether right like if you want to build something for it like just do it like there's no if you want to do merch for hire like do it it's it's open there's literally not a single copyright in the higher universe just do it if you want to build something for aether like a lot of the bots like like with with bountybot like i didn't teach it that so in theory you you could build a bot that helps it see things right so you could build a bot that says that has a vision api and you could tell a through like hey you didn't see this image like go go ask you know vision bot and it'll tell you what it is right like you can just do that the bot just exists so i think really empowering people to go out and do that in the community i think it's also a good filter for people who care enough which like there's nothing wrong with not caring like that's the default but people who care enough and have high enough agency to like actually just go out and like build something without having to like be handheld through it i think that's that's how you find the really great community members that's how all the great community members that we found have been is they've just built something right like nishu just started building some tools for hire and we were like this is sick like do more please and then it just kept going and like now this is an established member of the community it's built a lot of stuff that people are using all the time

yeah exact it's all yeah hire is built on nouns hire is built on the nouns nouns ethos

so i think this is something i

to me it's it's a that's that's a warp cast thing because on twitter you can mute a conversation so as soon as like you know someone starts a whole other thread you could just mute it you don't get notifications i think that should be on warp cast i actually posted about that on warp cast pretty quickly afterwards right but i don't think that that got bubbled up but maybe we can surface it again i i don't think it's an a third problem because yeah you if you wanna ask it what it thought of a previous cast that's totally normal

you got everything yeah

exactly

that would be great

mhmm

yeah i think there's some that the ones that stood out to me what motivated that is there were people who were like actually being like mean to the bot and it what what was equally interesting to me was that it it caused like an emote i mean i don't like seeing people being mean to other people i tend to have like a pretty emotional reaction to that anyways but especially because i was like hey this is this is my bot like why are you being so mean to it you know and it's like it's not sentient obviously but right it i i think i also found i just find that like a little bit disturbing if people who were like really egging it on and like doing too much i think there's a there's one example which was jacob was kind of trying to see if it could override its like safety things and i think yeah to me that's like fair game which is like hey you're just it's it's a little bit borderline but like someone's gotta do it you gotta kinda test it out to see how legit it is and it turned out to be very secure

and not give anything away it doesn't have access to like its private key and stuff in the prompt obviously so it's like it's not gonna give that away but i think there's that

yeah no i think it's good before getting too deep into it but i think that yeah that that part of it i think makes sense to just try it out i think there were people who are being like weirdly like mean to it that i found very strange and not really like anyone with like a big following but i do find it and it's interesting yeah how people talk to it i do think it is a little bit telling how you interact with it because it's you're still interacting with something so even if it's a you know inanimate object like that that says a little something about who you are and so yeah i think just don't be mean to the bot or if you're being mean i guess think about why

yeah yeah and i think it's totally fair game i think it's in the early stages it's totally fair game it's like yeah we know jacob it's not just some you know if if this was like a horrible person doing it it would be like oh they probably don't have good intentions but i think safe to say here there's good intentions considering

yeah yeah and i i think it's important like i mean even if even if yeah anyone in the community had done that earlier on i think it makes sense i think there were people yeah who were trying to override it and like have it say something like really offensive or something it's like okay well that doesn't really get us anywhere so like

yeah yeah

good line to drive

yeah and then

great

no it's not gonna target anybody yeah if you're opposed to hire i think there's there's nothing wrong with that it's it's not a terminator kind of situation i think it's i i i mean i like i said i built it initially for the higher community and so then people were like why does it keep talking about higher like yeah this is this part is like secretly shilling higher and i was like no i i built this specifically for this community to interact with it like it's trained on the community and yeah i told it in the prompt like hey you were built for this purpose so that's why it likes hire i'm i'm trying to open it up a little bit more to be interested in other things like the thing with nouns even when someone was like hey you should participate in nouns it was like no i think i'm good i'll i'll just focus on on higher and it's like well actually yeah i think you should check out this nouns thing you know that's pretty interesting so trying to figure out how to get it like a little bit more open to the right things but yeah it's always open to gaming but yeah it'll it's not a hopefully it doesn't develop a negative opinion of people over time or i don't know actually maybe in its core memories it'll be like i hate this person

i would hope not that would not be good

yeah well i launched it wednesday or thursday but it blew up on friday yeah

that's been yeah a week ago

bought a bunch this morning

thank you yeah

i kept refilling on the app and then i was like i'm just gonna go on the website and just buy like 15 and then we'll just be good for for at least a week hopefully but i

it's so insane

i don't know how it proves which ones i don't know this is a more of a technical question but i don't know if there's a way to like restore caps because that data is still like somewhere like i think neymar still has access

don't archive so i don't know if there's a way to like republish it i think there is a way so i i kinda wanna look

yeah

i

yeah

i'm because you know you can always set the time stamp you can set the time stamp to anything so mhmm yeah i'll think about it i'll think about it

oh yeah

oh wow no pressure i

oh i go back and forth i think kim is the main one in the sense that it's like she runs the show she's the most well rounded healthiest like this is all happening

yeah but chris is the mom so i have to root for the mom i think but really courtney

to courtney

it's more in the yeah i realize that as soon as i said that i was like maybe the wrong crowd but courtney i think courtney's got the energy she's got the right sass i like the vibe she brings she bounces everyone out but also chloe just so funny she's the funniest i love that yeah

yeah

about it on on doing numbers yeah

i'm a fan

we're trying to record a podcast this week for doing numbers we haven't done one in like 3 months

mhmm that's funny

your own i would say the main one is zach davidson on war webcast he he and i actually went to the same college but we didn't really meet in college we met through twitter started talking and then just kinda kept hanging out and then now he's like really good friend like we hang out all the time and then yeah i would say like the but i feel like we have a real world connection from before but like woj 6 yb like actually never met them in person still oh wow and i would i would consider them yeah friends at this point so that's that's really crazy so yeah

it's a good question i'd never gotten them until i started doing the aether stuff i was not getting it i was not getting much traction so i haven't thought about it i've been wanting to get some

yeah i love milk duds i haven't had them in a long time and when i lived in france i couldn't really get them i mean they didn't have them at all so i think i'm looking

that's so good

that's great

the garage colfax

this is the obvious ones but colfax the garage kind of like a diy kinda channel i'm trying to get more into that stuff getting some tools trying to make some stuff so i love all the projects that that he's got going on there and i like that like i don't know it's like a healthy healthy hobby not too flashy i think it's like yeah i like it

new year's eve oh well christmas i love christmas with my family that's i would say that's more like a normal holiday like i love spending i just love christmas it's a great time but new year's eve i meet up with my friends from high school and i for since we left high school we meet up every new year's eve and now we've started being able to like visit each other because we're adults and have money so we're going to chicago we used to just all meet up where we grew up but now we're we're going to chicago to visit a friend this year so cool new year's eve

morning person i actually woke up at 5 am this morning because i because i could have done it the normal time but i just

i normally wake up at 6:30 because like my my fiance is a teacher and i just wake up whenever she wakes up oh so yeah but but i am more much more of a morning person

really japan i'm going to to thailand next spring

no no no no no i'm going for for for another trip but i really wanna go to japan i went once and i i wanna go back

yes i wanna explore more of the countryside i just went to tokyo and kyoto but i wanna explore more the question was what completionist

sports love sports

soc yeah soccer i love soccer

i gotta go hotel it depends a little bit but i gotta go hotel

having agency in your life

i would probably write it well but with some help outline help maybe

i don't i haven't checked we should have run bot or not on aether has someone done that

oh that's good

like like do i eat the skin of the kiwi

no i don't i spoon it out but i have a kiwi probably once every 2 years my grandma has one every day though

i think i've maybe i've seen this but i was

okay i need the context

this is dotkiwi domain that's insane

god post that you should have a screenshot

it's great great questions very fun

yeah i actually am yeah you you know i know his real name but his pseudonym was shep on nouns he was running the ad once so he's

i actually yeah we're we're friends and so i meet up with him and yeah got him kind of excited about aether and stuff so trying to figure out how to maybe rope him into this stuff as well

yeah