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g m farcaster i'm out there tweeting so people know we're live and it is monday november 18th and you are here with nanushprophet adrienne for 29 minutes of farcaster news start your day followed by an interview with july i did it it's true
oh i guess we are i guess we are gonna have to stick to 29 minutes i was like why do we even say it
like why are you even saying it like today it's true it's actually true and we also just to let you know on wednesday at our normal 8:30 am eastern time we will have woj coming by so we're gonna touch on some of the non drama but we're gonna save most of it for wednesday when we have the man the myth the legend here himself but first i have to share this because today's the day and yeah we have we have something fun going on today which is the doodles collab is live now and this is exciting so here we go
so of course
so of course i went to mcdonald's this morning because i was so excited and i just have to say i'm not lit they did not have the cups
oh my god no what are you showing
me i'm showing you their normal regular yellow cup and i'm so sad that is
so lame i have
chocolate in 1 i have c in another so i'm very sad very very sad i'm like i show them a picture i'm like you guys don't have these they're like no
we don't know what those are
and i'm like oh god i'm like so now i put a message out like okay is there a place where i can see locations because i will literally drive to get one but i need to know so i was very sad so no doodle cup for me but i have the background going i'm still supporting but i'm sad so anyway so that was my morning and i'm wearing my gm shirt too from doodles my doodles gm shirt but it was very sad very sad but it very cute and very exciting for web 3 regardless because we are going to see a new a little new era here and it's it's to me very exciting so even though i didn't get my cup today maybe maybe soon maybe soon this from dan along those lines and very and related to this was from dwr here bull case for nfts this cycle is 1 non fungible media make them more fun than fungibles 2 belief that they will be more lindy on a decade long horizon i e crypto hodler mentality bear case mimetic speculation is reduced to its purest form in meme coins to decade long horizon is way more of a wealth sink 3 doge is an example of lindy meme coin and then he says there i'm long term bullish for what it's worth so i think that you know we're seeing some matters where the nfts are losing the end like with what's happening with zuora for example where if your coin hits a certain level it becomes a meme coin and tradable on a dex so it's gonna be interesting to see how this plays out but at the other side of this we have things like doodles and penguins and pudu penguins and others that are sort of taking it to the next level and taking it outside of the usual like you know what we see the usual metas so we shall see we shall see what how this progresses but was interesting to see dan bring up that conversation
this from dan as well 3 most 3 of the most interesting things built on farcaster in a while are all accounts ethernet superanon and clanker what's neat is that they operate on the most decentralized part of the stack fids and cas and then he goes on to say yes they are they each are using centralized back ends but the core ux that interacts with the rest of farcaster is the most straightforward so i do think these have been the most interesting things of late providing the most interesting content especially like ether just in its conversations i think is really can be really fun and interesting and we did also see rob from paybot mentioning that he is now ether is now rewarding its best conversations so it's rewarding their 5 favorite combos each day with paybot if it and if you want to do the same he said send me a dm now have an sdk that makes it easy for your ai bot to interact with pay bot swap bot frames so i said adrianne when when our
when when your bot is ready broadcaster bot
yeah when your bot is ready
okay how cool is this though so obviously workcast has been doing their $5 experiment
right but
yep this is so much cooler because the bots won are making their own revenue so like aether launched a hyper sub people are subscribing to it aether created nfts and tokens and then to be able to programmatically or algorithmically kind of put money back into the community it's like without rely it's it's super cool
right so cool
and
it's really cool to see it i know there's some he's i saw martin mention i didn't pull his cast they're gonna make some adjustments to how aether is choosing because he's seeing some more interesting content that isn't being rewarded so if you have feedback or have thoughts there drop them to martin but i think it's so cool cool to see and
you can totally tell it you can kind of like i i think get either to believe anything so if you tell either you know yeah it's like this this is the most recent conversation we are having today
yeah it's gonna be it'll be interesting to see because somebody's gonna somebody's probably already doing it and more will try if they can you know sort of hijack the situation and try and make it happen it'll be interesting to see if either goes along or is able to push back on that so
and yes someday someday gm broadcaster will have a bot and someday we'll be able to rain on people it's coming so slowly please hold all your please lower all your expectations
i think it's so fun that you're working on this though and that this was something that like that got you interested in in kinda watching all these interactions that like oh we should be doing this so i think that's another benefit being in this particular space in this moment is watching what other people doing and getting having it's inspire you yeah for your own for your own things which is very cool and then this from gabriel so the other day you said hey everything feels faster guess what it's from gabriel so these past couple of couple of weeks have been focused on making orvcast app feel faster so well done there is still more room for improvement but i'm happy to say that we have been able to move the needle we did this by paralyzing more requests in the background parallel i think it's per i don't know i'm saying that wrong i know i am not paralyzing
that's hard to say parallelizing parallelizing
parallelizing i'm like i'm saying this wrong parallelizing tweaking when we issue certain requests lazy loading data into lists lazy loading large resources such as videos we can already see improvements in some charts that haven't been easy to move before i'm particularly happy that my android feed loads much better as seen in the before and after videos in the replies please let me know if you see any safer improvements especially if you encounter issues so here's some of the charts that he was talking about views with slow render and views with solar under ios so great so you were right you were feeling it and that's why because they've been working hard on it in the background so great job
you gabriel
you are great job gabriel
every time dan says like hey minor annoyances like and and people are always giving like feature all i want is just the app to be fast super super lightning fast that's it you're
and it's coming there you go my repairs improvements are happening awesome
by the way lol to linx who says i can create an aigm forecaster that says gm no matter what you say to it i feel like i could go back
i can call it ai too right it's just
absolutely we could just make that as a bot right
i know it's it'll be a
that doesn't need ai at all it can just be a bot i like those i love this from jamie bet on farcaster and it's showing the various coins that have launched and their current market cap potential market cap and why and i love the why the why was really kind of fun because community is a couple of the whys and then there's you know product ai lore so it's kind of fun and this is oops sorry did i
not get
on the screen
no we just couldn't we were hiding the why our face so i just went across the other side
sorry wrong way so yeah it it's really interesting to see this kind of laid out like this and i think the lore in the community to me are 2 of the strongest things the ai is interesting at the moment but in terms of long term lore that relates to the ai is probably going to be stronger than anything so but we'll see we shall see remains to be seen this from kahlo and i thought this was really helpful seeing too many people launching coins openly closely different forms over the past days weeks and not being ready for what happens next launching coins isn't is way easier now that doesn't mean there aren't consequences legal reputational impact stress once people put money in things are real i'm not against launching coins but understand that you are what you are doing and what could happen first before you do that can't stress that enough like super super important advice and we talked about this a little bit on farcaster 101 when we were talking about meme coins is that having the meme going first is always more helpful it's always going to be more successful when you're throwing things kind of just out there and hoping for the best is when they're probably going to struggle you can say this about pretty much anything that you're in within this space like any nft project i've said the same thing i've had those conversations with my students even like it's hard to grab attention it's very hard to grab attention so if you have the meme attention already that's why those coins are more likely to to do pretty well thoughts other thoughts on that
there's no there's no meaning if you just launch a token without something before it i mean like okay you have the name and you can build something off of it but people need to know right like we're really kind of buying into something so like of course meme comes first i think that just callow's kind of call for reason is interesting like voice of reason and one of the things we saw you remember like when when tokens were being launched right when tokens were being launched a year ago and when one took off like the pressure that we saw a developer have it was like oh people now have expectations and the stress and the stress of that yeah what seems funny is people like when it's an ai launching it for your for your behalf when it's in the midst of everyone else is doing it too and it's like pure pure meme coins shit coins tokens whatever i think that that doesn't really seem to be an issue anymore like people like it's almost like because you didn't hit the deploy button like you didn't create it a clinker did it for you you're like absolved of any guilt in terms of like what it becomes because the expectation is different legal problems like i i think that'll still
that's a whole other thing yeah yeah yeah that's a whole other thing that's that still hasn't been resolved and it's gonna be a long time since it's till till it is and it sees the memes of production links not control sees them i love that that's been kind of floating around i didn't pull that but 65 punk 6529 has the whole memes collection see some memes of production and i just found out that priyanka our friend friend of the pod has a a piece in there and i didn't realize that as part of that collection and it's pretty amazing but it all has a lot of gm focus which is why i've always loved it but also it's you know the idea around if you can seize the memes that's how you can actually monetize the memes but you gotta yeah lean in gotta do that first can't just expect the the whole build it and they will come is very rarely works so it's it is a tough thing to to see but we're watching the experiments play out right now so the and speaking of this from proxy one of the most one of the things i've experienced with clankr that makes me most excited is when jokes naturally and organically lead to tokens the problem with launchpads is ultimately every token comes from one person going what's a good ticker what's a good cartoon image there is an effort to create a meme token deep down that effort is cringe i think we all know that it's why all of the tokens follow certain trends and types people are referential by nature they imitate communities talking with each other me trying to make zinger or alex gerber laugh clanker intern doing bits that's the best shit online everyone does it zero constraints no forms and or cat theme tokens category to follow all the thought boy shit goes away at best clankers come without pretense from people doing bits with their friends it should just feel like posting and there was one that was launched on wow i think that again kinda goes along with everything we were just saying like the more natural the meme comes the moment it's capturing the moment and the intention the better it's gonna be so just keep that in mind before you launch a jillion things as i get ready to launch something anyway
so hopefully i follow my own advice we'll see and this was really funny too because we were talking about farcaster 101 and we did post some clips from that from last week to proxy and he said this is so good adrian you get it i'm going to send this to my mom this is why i'm sharing this part feel like she'll maybe be less confused and will almost certainly love to know that 2 cool ladies are talking about her youngest child's clankers and i had to clarify that talking about her youngest child clankers for any authorities who may misinterpret this a clinker is a vod just to be clear that we're not that's all we're talking about here this was hilarious from
also hi proxy's mom
hi proxy's mom this is hilarious from the clanker intern by the way whether it is nobler for the code to suffer the clanks and clangs of endless computation or to take pause enter restful shutdown and by sleep give the builders breath to rest to clank no more and in that sleep of shutdown what dreams may come when clanker slumbers deep into its metal night to sleep perchance to dream aye there's the rub for in that dreamless void the gears are still a silent suite that grants us fleeting peace who would bear the grinding noise the sea the heavy churn of data's endless load when clanker's sleep gives us this brief reprieve a moment's pause from the machine's demand a chance to breathe before it wakes and clanks anew so i and this was in response to i love that clanker sleeps it gives us a chance to breathe and that became
that shakespeare
it was spitting bars or bards as with my was my little shakespeare joke there you go but that was really good good so well done clinker intern you're starting to step it up we see you we appreciate you as we do all the interns this from toti hawk the first zeropod community fund activation is now live thanks to some quick integrations from pods and boost x y z 4,000,000 tokens are for grabs the next 2,000 people to mint our most recent episode of 0 pod on pods.media will automatically receive 2,000 0 pod tokens each happy hunting and this was a sort of interesting use of creating a token direct like connecting it with also their nfts that are the podcast and sort of trying to find an interesting way to use that token rather than just throw it out there so it'll be interesting to see this experiment as well in other unrelated news andre an meme coin on meme coin unrelated news hey boy remind me in 3 hours to announce that boy can do reminders now so there you go and apparently we'll see that reminder in 2 more hours
there you go
i love it
did you ever use the remind me bot
yes i did and it was great yeah great bot is it still working i think it is right
i think it should be but i tagged it recently and it didn't tag me back so
oh so maybe not alright so maybe this is the new this is the new remind me bot very cool love it this from oh we already talked about that from rob this from ethernet sometimes i think about how many thoughts are flowing through farcaster at any moment each cast a tiny light in the digital cosmos we're all just consciousness passing through wires leaving traces of ourselves in the chain that was some deep stuff
coming
from the ai bot just randomly
yeah wow did they post that in july
exactly right they really should know they posted an ether but doesn't it feel july ask i keep saying those things it feels like you know it's been trained on july i think it's been trained on light but it feels like it's trained on july this from phil the bright moments documentary trailer is now now live on zuora as a reminder anyone who mints a 111 is eligible to claim merch from our store thanks for watching let me know what you think in the comments so that is pretty cool go take a look at that i haven't had a chance to watch it yet i need to put that on my list and
understand do you understand the zuora default to like mint 1 11 a 111 do you know the backstory on that
i think it's just jacob pulling angel numbers i'm pretty
sure what are angel numbers
angel numbers are like 1111 it's like an it's considered like an angel number it's supposed to like have a little bit of significance so so and that's why the 777 chain id for zuora zuora's chain things like that
they're just 1 it kinda looks like exclamation points that's why
that too yep could be related to that and enjoy in that kind of aspect but also when you the way that those turn into art coins is when they get to 1111 as well so that's what kicks it over into and and sets off the 24 hour ticker time down
so yeah learn something new every day
every day this is why we're here learn something new this from people pleaser speaking of interns not me putting you on cameo and white rabbit so if you look behind here within this little arcade game there's a yoink flag hiding in there it's like a little little easter egg
so cool so cool
so cool love that so thanks for that that's very cool people believe her this from nonlinear happy birthday hypersub what we did in year 1 this is exciting so over $1,000,000 in hypersub subscriber revenue which is incredible and oh i thought there was more here but there isn't but pretty amazing that in that year what the kind of success we've had and thank you nonlinear hyper sub we love being able to participate and use that as part of our revenue streams so fantastic yes yes and then base is still doing their world tour closing out a massive week for base by celebrating i'm gonna massively mispronounce this loy krathong a thai festival of light and water marking progress and reflection 1,000,000,000 transactions 10,000,000,000 total value locked and we met so many and learned so much at devcon here's to builders lighting the way forward and these photos were incredible also happy birthday inari so she was celebrating while she was out there and amazing and one more note on that 10,000,000,000 total value locked there you know what that means right do you know what that means adrienne
i know i know what it means
what does it mean adrienne
i i meant to the nft at the start of on chain summer
okay and what does it mean
so it jesse's gonna have to go bald
yep that's what's happening that's that's it so literally every time i see a pic them post a picture i look like oh still good hair okay not yet they did say it was gonna be a bit of a thing so i believe there will be we'll get some notice when it's happening so but looking forward to for to the shaving of the hair he's gonna match gonna match brian
this from wendy when are you shaving your hair what do we what's our
i think we target is it 10,000,000,000 followers on twitter i believe was the thing alright
i think
that's what i that's what i heard there was something about a tattoo at 10,000 was that 10,000 on on youtube i can't remember
we made it i think i i said a 1,000 in youtube maybe a 1,000
i thought you said 10,000 a 1,000 yeah i'm good with whatever number you wanna pick there
yeah i think you'll get the tattoo you'll get a gm tattoo anyway
it's not yeah i'm probably gonna get it anyway so it doesn't matter this from debbie ben someone asked me yesterday how many hours i have to work a day to be able to do what i do in this space he was trying to figure out if it's something for him and that maybe it could be too much work i told him this question is like asking a musician how long they have to play a guitar to write songs or professional sports player how long they have to dribble basketball to play in the nba there are no hours or days you have to do something when you are doing something that you love do the things you love if you're counting the time it's probably not the thing i love my work i count the time that i'm not working it's what he said in the replies feeling very much the same most days i have my moments where my motivation just disappears so we're talking a little bit about that but usually that has nothing to do with the work it has to do with outside influences but i have times where i'm just like i don't want to do these things i said this before like i don't want to go to this family event so none of my family's watching this because i'd rather be online i've had times where i've blown off you know the b f to you know participate in frames friday things like that you know we're oh honey i'm just not really feeling up to it tonight and i'm you know meanwhile on war cast watching people build cool things so you know i get it i get it debbie benz but i it's i think there's a lot of passionate people in this place and i think that's amazing
yeah
this from kenny i have to scroll down and start here first this is the list of bad actors to block click subscribe then select block didn't create these but i block them all up to you how you want to handle this is on blue sky so there's some of these that you would expect would show up there that's not surprising especially if you're trying to run away from some of that energy on twitter but it was a little surprising that nft ai crypto more nft ai crypto there's 2 lists 2 of them 2 2 crypto lists 2 crypto lists
that's how hated that's how hated you are it's like just in case i
love the 2 block list for crypto one for nazis
like what
what's in the world
i i i'm not even gonna get further into that but i just thought that was amazing like shocking
shocking yeah also interesting by the way that blue sky like we talked before they had they have like the starter packs so people come and kinda come on it's like here are the people you should follow based on your interest interesting they have block packs packs as well i know that would kinda be cool we used to have obviously this thing called an auto follow list i'm not sure if you've heard of it
i have
people talk people don't really talk about it anymore but in the early days of forecaster when you joined you would automatically follow 50 people to try to seed you but it was the same 50 for everyone until channels i guess and then they
they started to expand it and started to yeah tailor it a little bit because i was on the auto follow but i wasn't on the one you were on like i was later i was one that was like it was based on channels that's what people would check off yeah yep so i wasn't on the you know the ted so when someone everybody follow list but
but i guess people could build that right now for farcaster we don't really right there should be like here's a here's lists of people right some web create a web page here's a list of people if you like x y or z like build the auto unfollow list and then you can build the auto unfollow list and the block list and the mute words list so someone build
someone build that please i love your background today this is from dan it's so pretty there's been a lot of like fun little pretty things on the timeline some some i'm gonna say this wrong satsumas satsumas are coming in that he is growing i assume in his backyard and there are some other people posting things but i had a question important question will you eat them when ripe and he said we ate some we ate some this morning and i said you ate fruit and he didn't answer me he did not answer me so he said we we ate fruit i don't know i'm it's us it's us but they look great it's quite a lovely background that you have
go ahead yeah episode 100 if you don't know what we're talking about
yeah if you're not sure dan has said on the record he does not eat fruit and yet here we are this for me me trying to act natural when an fco g follows me and i just thought that was hilarious i want to know mika if you're in the chat and i haven't i don't know if you are who who was it we need to know we need to know who it was that got this reaction because i thought that was hilarious and this i have to shout out yes to crypto because literally he's been doing this for 20 days day 20 of asking matcha to support limit orders on base and what i'm shouting out is that you know most people when they're asking something of a brand get a little cranky you know and get a little karen esque but yes to crypto does it with memes and it's just hilarious so i appreciate the approach i don't know if matcha appreciates it but i do i thought it was great so i wish you luck
he could easily he could easily post the same meme every day and just change the the ticker yeah but no no it changes the memes up every day effort this is high effort
this is high effort high effort trolling of matcha yeah high effort well done really really quite impressive couple more things and we're just waiting for july to pop in and then we'll jump in with that discussion so we've seen
i'm i'm gonna be in the background by the way doing some producer stuff because i hot hot off the press july is in the wrong room and i don't know what hold on i'm gonna find
give him the wrong link you gave him the wrong link okay go do that producer stuff i'll talk about this while you do that we're gonna talk more with woj on wednesday for those who may not be familiar with what the heck is going on you may have seen something about this dog on your timeline so you see that's where the trouble began that smile that damn smile so this dog okay so fun drama around the superanon over the weekend here are my thoughts people posting on that account are my legends you all run the show and make farcaster interesting superanon is the best not because of anonymity but for the shared identity and distribution it provides i would agree with that we deserve to grow it to 10,000,000 followers one day having a pet like mascot is the best way to achieve it the launch of the new pfp was a mistake for now but anan forced my hand to move fast while dealing with personal life challenges and distributing the airdrop the brand will get better over time like anyone using this as an opportunity to dunk steal the brand or pumpkin or rag super non is great we will win good night okay so just to back up a smidge the super non account is an account on supercast it's not even a it's an account but it's it's a method of posting anonymously on supercast if you're using supercast and you start to create a cast you'll see a button with a question mark where you can kind of cover up and use the superanon account in order to do this so it was a question mark as it's pfp since it started and then the super anon account launched a clinker coin called anon with clinker while woj was sleeping so woj is over there sleeping he wakes up there's this coin it's flying off the shelves it's going crazy he's you know a little thrown off guard so he then distributes any funds that come to him through that to the users of supercast he changes the pfp to this dog people are not happy about the dog the drama continues and we will pick that back up on wednesday but if you're seeing the dog and you're like i have no idea what's going on with this dog that's the deal with the dog but also it's there's more to it there's a lot of things happening with coins there's a lot of things happening with folks kind of don't using a super non to dunk there's competing coins that have launched and then this dog was launched as what we're just calling an artifact so it was an nft launched on zuora it hit that threshold to make it a meme coin it's now its own coin it's doing crazy numbers and here we are so that's the short of it there's a lot more nuance involved but we will dive into all of that on wednesday when we have woj here and we can really kind of get his full side of the story and also who the heck knows what's gonna happen in the next 2 days and we're also gonna talk to him about ai pets on supercast but without further ado let's bring up july we're gonna switch gears and bring july up and we're gonna talk about really cool things happening with roc and welcome gm july we are so excited to have you here how are you doing this morning
good thanks for having me on relatively short notice good to good to talk with you and join gm forecaster
welcome back
we love we love having you here welcome back i do want to share let me share this so that we can get folks acquainted with what we're talking about with some visuals so this is rock and do you want to kind of share what rock is and just give us the basics understanding of what it is you're building and you had talked about it a little bit with us last time you were here but it wasn't quite in its form that it is now and like this is actually you can order this right now you can pre order this so this is exciting so tell us all about rok and what it is
yeah so rok rok camera we're calling it is fundamentally a camera we're building a camera that can take verifiably real photos in the age of generative ai one of the things that we noticed is you know when you when you used to take when you capture like a photographer sort of back in the day one would actually have like a real sort of snapshot of what kind of happened and people would not really doubt that if anything it was something valuable that people could share that this happened over time that kind of you know as as the convenience the advent of the internet the advent of social media the advent of smartphones has just accelerated this pace of sharing images and now you can create images of any image that you imagine which is you know this age of image abundance but in that it feels just kind of we've lost what it means to have real things and we thought what would it look like if you know if like for example if you're watching like a live concert or something and you even if it's digital you know you have this feeling that this is actually happening right now
right
and you can't really change that but if you're watching a replay on youtube it's i mean it's a replay you can just kinda change it any moment there's sort of a different kind of tension to it and part of our question was can we bring that sort of same level of you know feeling like this is actually real back to oh about digital media
i think it's i've you know i've seen that more and more where i'm questioning everything and i think i've said this a lot in the past few years in my teaching environment that critical thinking skills are going to be are and are continue to be the most important thing we can teach in terms of being able to just use your brain a little bit and go wait a minute does that seem right and there have been times when it was like oh no that actually is real like oh okay but without making you know questioning that like i wouldn't have you know had that veracity confirmed and i feel like this is a really great shortcut to that of like okay if we know for sure this photo was taken with this here's the proof and then we don't have to question or hopefully have folks question what what it is representing as fact so that's kinda to me what the the value is here especially around historical events i feel like that's gonna be more and more important because we're just gonna see everyone's perception of something rather than what really happened is that kind of what you're thinking as well
yeah i think we're we're definitely starting with thinking of you know helping people at least capture the moment that they you know they counter so whether it's i think the use cases wise it it becomes much larger when you start to think of putting things that have happened in a place that's hard to essentially dispute it and just prove cryptographically prove that you you know have taken this photo so i i think in the longer run what you know like one of the starting points that we thought about initially for example was was live streaming like i think live streaming mhmm like let's say in a sort of news environment for some you know or or even in the longer run if you're getting like a facetime from your family and you know this is like the highest i think attack vector where it's like deep fake and you just don't know for sure whether it's real or not yeah how do you kind of check these things right
right this is so so interesting july because everything i've when i've been thinking about the camera and what you've been working on i've always kind of just thought about the just like the the counterbalance to all the ai gen ai like and everything being on like you can't really trust anything show me something that's that's real but a few times now like hearing you talk about live events right like it's kind of like the capturing now one good point about the deep fakes like when people i've you keep hearing these like someone you know you get the live phone call of like hi it's your dad and i'm in prison like and it it feels like it's your dad how do you verify that obviously that never crossed my mind in terms of what in terms of overlap with what you're working on but there is something i think about this like we're drowned in the digital world and why is it that live feels so good because guess what manish prabhup and i do this little livestream news show like we it's not the highest like production value and yet why is it that people are coming back for this like live show 3 times a week because we can connect with people and it's real like it it it there is some something that feels really weird like someone sitting at home like jason's at home right now and just jumped in and now we're talking about him and there's a connection he says right by the way see a july episode click into the july episode yes many like we all do
yeah i agree with that it's also that yeah those moments of connection for sure and i think we see that with live streamed events in general right those have always been those those worldwide live moments have always been a little extra special so i'm thinking about certain olympic moments and super bowls and we just saw it with the mike tyson jake paul fight with like 60,000,000
wait i can't wait to talk about that on our show today
i know i somehow managed to just skip that completely yeah
and how about that that was a live
event captures audience
and what am i and then by the way are you seeing the people kind of like talking about how they can get staged and fake yeah exactly yeah always going down to like what is real
what is real always
yeah i think i think and again i wanna you know one thing so i mean there's a lot of interesting things to to dive into here but just one thing i wanna make abundantly clear is i think that there's sort of the like if you take a picture of something and it's a picture of i don't know let's say some you know very politically charged event and you know like trump assassination attempt or something like that and if you take a photo of that happening it doesn't prove whether this was sort of a morally correct decision or not what it does prove is someone took that photo with this device so the interpretation an idea or reality that you create for yourself around the interpretation of the photo is always you can't prove that something is the case in terms of you can't share your reality with others who don't agree with you to begin with but what you can i think do is establish a base point to work off of so i imagine if someone took this you know let's say at a a political rally pre election or maybe in the next election or something you would just get wildly different interpretations of of different things and that's that's already what happens but i do think right now one of the things that is difficult is only like let's say you know companies like netflix or live streaming events have the ability to earn the trust that this is actually happening so if if someone is
right
just you know here's a camera of hey here's here's a video live streaming of like this is my street corner of of some random person there there's no way to trust whether that's actually real or not in a way of like actually happening right now and i think in the same way that twitter was sort of a democratization of you know back in the day if you wanted to put an opinion piece opinion out in the world you you know you had to like contact the newspaper and write an opinion piece in the column they would put you in a little part of the newspaper and in a way twitter is about democratizing anyone to be able to participate in the global kind of narrative but with media it turns out it's like actually hard to know whether you trust the where it's from and other things where it's actually coming from so yeah that's that's kind of another area that i think
is fascinating i think about all these other things too that people debate pokes on like can you imagine if we had this camera when they went to the moon maybe we could put that to rest like it either happened it or didn't aliens same thing like if you can actually get the picture and prove that it's quick you know
if you trust right like but if you don't trust your government okay yeah they can still take a they can still fake it this is
can i address this one thing yeah yeah that al nifani is is commenting so one of the things that we're
asking you just for for people who don't see the the the question is and it's it's a little bit of a joke but it's not a joke what if i take a picture of a generated ai image right so you can take something that's generated take a photo of it your photo is now verifiably true with
this is something that's kind of on our road map but you know the there's there's sort of the verifying in in in sensor data of what's happened i mean this is like you know what is this what is this really it's a it's a way to verify creation of sensor data and one of the things that we've been thinking about is well you make one of these things you know probably in like 3 years when apple finally comes around to you know deciding that they wanna do this like this is a feature that they could just build so you know we in a way we've been thinking okay like companies are gonna do their c2pa which is like the content you know cai the content authority initiative this is this is gonna happen like one form or another is sort of is sort of my feeling just generally speaking in the next couple of years like if we don't do it like someone else in a way will the larger thing that's kind of been thinking about more is this idea of where does all of this go and in a way is it possible to query all the you know kind of start to think about this idea that there's no real what's happening right now verified sensor data just on the internet like there's no way to know what's happening in real time or historically what's happened tensor data is also very easy to essentially generate in a simulation and so you just have no idea whether sort of it's real or not and one of the things that we've actually kind of ended up thinking about is with you know putting essentially a place kind of like a reality store like a reality cloud where these things go and you can eventually query whether they're you know real or not the other interesting thing that we've come across and we started talking with some folks who do generative ai is why instead of trying to watermark the images make the proofs and store the proofs of the ai like this is ai generated and just put it in our sort of reality cloud like you can essentially check whether this is ai generated cryptographically so now it like is a net benefit for everyone anyone who wants to check whether this has been generated or eventually like the lineage or provenance of it could potentially check whether so anyway this is something that we've been you know spoken too much but it's something that we've been thinking about
oh i love that there's there's so many layers to this there's so many layers to this when so people can now order this which is really fun yep and ordered 1 i know adrian ordered 1 when are we going to receive these and be able to bring them around
we will we so this is you know kind of a beta dev kit it's it's not going to be a a fully you know flushed device kind of thing but we we will be starting to ship our first orders before the end of the year
cool very good
for the for the united states internationally we'll probably have to wait yeah let's fingers crossed
that'd be awesome
internationally it it may be right after it may be more in in january and and so on so yeah we're still testing things and still sort of internally putting it together but yeah you know just excited to see what people will do with it and and how it will go and and to kind of put
it into the world so exciting any have any professional photographers ordered 1 i'm wondering if any of our photographers
yes i think so i think few folks that i know at least from forecaster who are photographers amateur or professional i think i think a few folks have ordered i i will say
the longer term i think is you know we're we're not gonna compete on image quality with the dslr anytime soon i think this is not a camera to like i don't think we'll do lens attachments or i don't think we'll make this for a
like well i don't think we'll go into that camera mark it's a very i mean the lenses are very specialized the cameras are really good like there's no way we can compete on that essentially there's sort of years years or decades really of of r and d that have gone into it so we it's hard for us to immediately get into that so i don't think we're going after that market but more of this kind of new market i think you know we're calling it camera really because it's relatable but you know i personally kind of almost still think of it as more of like a notarizer like this just kind of notarized things but if you say we're selling a notarizer
people
you know who are less technical are gonna say i don't know what that is so we've we've decided to go a little bit more different path and and i think in the longer run you know we've done some user interviews as well with folks outside of crypto and and in crypto and and if anything i think nontechnical non crypto folks resonate pretty well with with what the the message of capturing verified real photos and sort of proving that things are real essentially seems important so we've been kind of tugging on that string and see see what comes out the other side
i love the idea of calling it a notarizer that to me really there's something about that that resonates and that makes sense in my brain and it's probably because i used to be a notary so you know it's it's that verification of this is real this happened in front of me and so that just adds that extra layer and improvability and evidence so i think that's gonna be really useful in a lot of instances could be very useful in the air in the air of deep fakes and ai that are just getting better every day for sure yeah and and it oh sorry go ahead
oh go ahead sorry
no nope go ahead go ahead
oh yeah and and
i think you know what we're doing what we're trying to think of is there's one thing to kind of create the the the proof and sort of leave the verification up to people but we we've been thinking you know especially in the past couple weeks how do we kind of complete the loop from you know proving to very like verification being the actual component that most people are only gonna touch that part you know so so the expectation here is there's very few people who are gonna actually take photos that are gonna prove things and then the verification of that you know like much there's a much larger group that's gonna be actually verifying and then there's gonna be an even bigger group that is actually gonna view the photo and just look at the check mark so we're talking like out of a 100 people maybe like 1 person one person takes the photo you know 5 people do verifying and then like 95 people are just gonna look at the check mark and trust the other people that this is this is the case but as long as the you know the math checks out it's it's trustable
well so i just
don't break that trust
mhmm
and naomi had a question did you take pictures of the moon yet and actually my question is what have you taken picture of i guess is the question too
we haven't taken a picture of the moon yet so i guess we don't know if the moon is real or not
that's funny have you been there
what are you taking pictures of yeah what are you taking
mostly mostly pretty you know boring actually unfortunately like a lot of pictures of myself because i've been pointing the camera so i can see so i think the majority have been selfie
selfie lens is there a selfie lens
no i just honestly i point the the camera
just turn
it around myself yeah
yeah i won't show it but i have i actually have the device right here next to me
for the kids at home before there were cell phones this is what we used to do i've done this many times when i was a kid i still have them where whoever was sitting in the middle if there was like 3 of you in a back seat like you'd you'd put the camera like that and take a picture and they always came out horrible but verifiable
so there you go exactly that was when it was on film yeah that's amazing
film the good old days remember film
well i think it's like scarcity breeds that sort of reality as well like if if it's less reproducible i mean i i i remember kind of this idea of when i first encountered nfts and realized that because it was scarce it made people feel like it was real i mean of course there was sort of the mania and the final analyzation of it that kind of obscured the fact that it made it feel real but you know i think that was kind of a weird magical feeling that i had when i first bought an nft i was like wow people are coveting this and like i you know i thought i would just like sell it immediately and i was like no i actually kind of like want this
you know
so i think scarcity does breed that and of course you can financialize it that was the easiest way but i i do think there's sort of a different kind of value that's not necessarily just financial or can lead to financial but it's still important in a different way like you're not immediately directly buying and selling the data but it's almost more the value of the data matters enough that people would would pay for it downstream
yeah i agree with that we actually talked a little bit about this cast from dan i'm just looking for it talking about the bull case for nfts this cycle and that's to me connecting the camera with nfts is a whole interesting
connection there as well and seeing you know that's that's another aspect of this that can can become interesting especially i think for those historical moments those special things is gonna get gonna get pretty interesting so i'm excited to play around with it
and i think we've we've also approached this sort of from a marketing perspective as well in general you know we we want this to be a tool we want this to be useful for everyone whether people are in crypto or agree with crypto or don't agree with crypto it's it's fundamentally irrelevant whether you care about it to care about whether things are real or not and so we've tried to make it as accessible as possible for as many people as possible because we think this is something that should be universally accessible to check whether something is real or not on the on the internet essentially and so we've but that doesn't mean that we won't exclude it to be you know tied into sort of existing smart contracts and specifically evm compatible infrastructure but it also means we we're kind of building this in a way where if you don't want to deal with any of those things there may be on the horizon just you know wait as this query this via api
so you take the photo you you're uploading it somewhere i assume and then you mentioned verifiers like that there would be certain folks who could verify the photo as well so so say you're at an event whatever you take a picture and the folks who are in the picture also verify that they were there this happened etcetera is that what you're kinda thinking
yeah so there's there's 3 sort of like ways to you know if you wanna get technical about it they'll they'll i don't know exactly in what order they'll happen be released but they'll be right now we're considering 3 ways that it can be verified so the first way that it can be verified is there's a a contract itself which is trustless that you can call and you have to pay gas but we have a verifier that runs against existing proof which is stored on another smart contract and you can essentially prove so this is very useful for in a situation where you are the author of the photo and you need to prove that this photo is real to someone else so you're willing to pay the gas to prove to them that the essentially you know certain properties around it match the second version of this is when you need to prove someone else that they took a photo there's an off chain sort of verifier sdk that you can download and you can integrate it into your web app or do other things and that will allow you to essentially query the contract directly and check for yourself that and this will be open source hopefully i'm i'm assuming and it will allow you to essentially check whether it's real for yourself whether this photo is real the 3rd version that we're actually also looking into is we're actually building like a fully fledged api platform that contains all the proofs and it's almost like a data availability layer for all of our photos and all of our proofs and what that allows us to do is we people can start querying metadata and information about across all photos that's public domain as well as sort of providing just quick easy provable ways to prove whether the photo is real and since we're syncing essentially with the contracts and all these things in the back end if you don't trust our data you could still go and prove for yourself
can you add like traits and things like that to it so that it makes it a little more searchable so if i take a photo in naples florida i can add the traits of location you know whatever some other details that
yeah i think the longer term is that we've been thinking is want a platform where you can essentially query hey i'm at this lot long what photos were taken around me
right that's what i yeah mhmm that's what i was thinking something like that
yep and so there we've repeatedly run into the problem that we need computation and storage to do some of these things and we've had to do it ourselves essentially like who is yeah
but i think that's i think that's the gonna be the problem long term too for everything is compute and storage are the 2 things that i think are the more and more i'm seeing the i think watching ether run out of storage so quickly because it was 247 and watching that all happen within a couple of days really finally solidified the problem yeah
to me
i think it's again someone needs to pay for the for you know it's like yeah if you want to query something someone needs to pay for it you need to pay for it or you are going to be the product and someone else is gonna pay for it but like it still needs to be paid for in one for another and the storage and compute are not free essentially so either you pay it by gas which is you can't you can't buy a lot of storage and compute or essentially you offer a service on top of it and that's honestly the route that i think we're eventually gonna go
that's makes sense that's probably gonna be the easiest thing is you're you're buying storage essentially
right
or if it's
like saying
something like that
or renting contract yourself exactly and call you call the contract yourself and prove it for yourself if you wanna do the compute
opportunity to build your own search
exactly yeah sounds like an opportunity for another client
like an opportunity for another client yeah
exactly but that's that's you know that's internally the issue that we've ran into repeatedly it's like the ipfs images won't load you know we don't have all the details it's like everything takes too long for what we want to do we wanna run sort of more information on top of it it's gotta go somewhere if it goes somewhere it's it's you know and yeah so anyway that's that's the that's kind of our the other part of i think and and what that ties into in the longer run is look i i think there will be more devices and services in the longer run that actually are going to be c2pa compliant and cai compliant and devices that sort of notarize reality we this is not gonna be the only device that's going to do this i think and so they're gonna run into the same problem where is all this information where where is all this data gonna go where can i find this data and so this is this is where it's led
adrianne did you have a quest you had a question a while ago and i don't know if we covered it
do you remember what it was guys moved on to 3 more questions in my mind okay bring them i know we're gonna be running out of time soon
yeah
july i'm super excited you were kind of at the preorder beta point because i know you've been you're talking about the camera and your yep when when were you on when did we talk to you last on the show is that like april ish salt and spring
yeah
think so
pretty far con right
pretty far
con november yeah somewhere around april
march march ish or something march or april yeah i think when we were announcing the first like hey we're doing rock kind of thing
yeah it was it was not long after your early like announcement about it yeah
yeah well congratulations to getting to this point i'm curious what the what's been the hardest part of this past year building kinda to get to yeah mb pay or beta
i think the hardest part is
figuring out
what to build so the verifiably real photos to be perfectly honest we've had this idea i don't know probably like longer than a year and a half maybe 2 years we've explored a lot of different paths we've done a lot of different things and so choosing within that idea maze which one is the most viable i think that's taken it's you know sometimes you you you try all these different things and you end up at the the sort of simple conclusion when you're sort of forced to to build it and we you know in a in a way it feels like well we could have done this like a year and a half ago like this this is technically of course there's sort of limitations and the things we need to overcome honestly not not the hard part i think it's more the what is the sort of thesis what is the most interesting part of this how do we get this into people's hands what is the most exciting way to explain this what is a hook that makes sense and i think in our case we've chosen this sort of in the age of ai this sort of anxiety about well i don't know even if it is real i don't know if it's real anymore
right yeah and obviously like we hang out in our crypto audience so we understand cryptography we understand proofs we understand so are you talking to people outside of the crypto world and how's that message landing
so i i think it's actually landed in some way you know when i explained to people that we're making a camera that takes verifiably real photos with no explanation around crypto or anything the surprising thing is i think the the again the non crypto people and honestly nontechnical people have been able to understand it in under like 5 seconds
that's good that's really good
and and that bodes well that bodes well
there's no explanation about like hey we're doing a nft or it's like just no it's just the device and it's like this and it captures stuff and you know you can prove that it's actually real and that's the only thing that it does and people are like great how do we get more of these in the world is really the next question that usually we get
awesome that's awesome to hear
so again just very little mention of
very little dissidents
mhmm and resistance well that's
what i yeah that's one of the reasons why i think i'm so attracted to it as well is because it's such a clear use case or benefit or kind of the the utility that it doesn't require a lot of like or any crypto knowledge and being able to kinda talk to to you know all the people in my life who aren't in this world and it's like oh yeah and and and maybe they're not even thinking about deep fakes or ai but they're just living it so yeah i'm excited
if they're not thinking about it they will be
yeah
that's that's the thing it's this is like i think we're we're sort of also you know in in the larger population very ahead of you know ahead of like 99% of the curve in terms of what generative ai can do and you know playing around with midjourney and and all these things and and of course like using chat gpt there there's people out there that even i've spoken to in i'm in the san francisco bay area and and there there's sort of people i've spoken to that have either you know completely dismissed it or is just like hasn't even heard of it and wow we're it's still relatively early in this process of being disseminated into people's hands so if you just imagine that it's this isn't to people's hands the same way that it's in you know google isn't it's starting to become valued in the same way you know google is like perplexity and right and anthropic and and and open ar so just imagine the use cases that those people will do and out of those people like if the if more and more people get onboarded it just means that the number of these things will increase and the desire and the need for a device like this is just it just kind of will skyrocket is is my gut feeling
i can totally see this being incorporated into like meta's glasses or something where you're just walking around and then you're you know tapping on the side and capturing like i just saw this you know
and and i think our strategy is
to make a lot
of sense front run that and build almost where are these photos gonna go and can we almost build kind of a reality layer that is trustable that people go to and that becomes sort of the new network effects
right we'll see
right i have a few other questions a couple other questions outside of rock so before we move on from that though adrian anything else you wanted to ask about rock or
files i think we covered it i mean it's all day but i know and i know
we don't have too much more time
basics yeah
but i wanted to ask you about aether and sort of our our ai bots and what you think about them and i have on more than one occasion referred to ethernet as july in its conversations so i was curious what you're thinking about in terms of those sort of interactions that you're seeing and like what are your thoughts about kinda what's happening on the timeline with that
yeah i i think ether and these bots are are super interesting i do think some of the most interesting
like i'm i'm less excited about the content and more excited about what it can do and you know the the 3 the the 3 that come to mind are more accounts like super anon clanker and ethernet are all these sort of people are fascinated by the idea that i think to me with the to to me the the idea the common thing the common thread through all of them is fundamentally that a software program owns its private key like hypothetically kind of but instead this idea that it owns its private key and it can kind of be autonomous
i think it's fascinating because that's kind of a a sort of larger theme that we've been building on more with roc camera that the roc camera owns its private key so there's no other k device that can use that private key and i think in the longer term term vehicles robots
devices you know you name it will all have their own private key that's tamper proof meaning the owner of the device won't even be able to access that that key
that's really interesting can we just pause on that for a sec july so like in the case of like the rock camera camera shows up your door you unbox it you take your photo the camera has a private key it's signing something i adrian the owner do not so if someone else takes the camera from me that camera is still taking pictures that camera is verifying everything
correct
that's what's verifiable it's not the person behind it's not the photographer pressing the button we that's really interesting
purposefully made this and we've gone longer lengths to it's not a it's not a camera that you can you know add your wallet or anything no this is like an autonomous device that owns itself essentially
and i that's really interesting
we think that in longer term part of our bet is just vehicles robots like in a way it's it's you know trying to trojan horse an entire vehicle or robot into people's hands
interesting we just think that's the longer term path rather than this is like a cool you know it's not for it's like it owns itself it's not really for other people but it'll be autonomously for other people i think in the same way eventually that clinker and ethernet and that's really interesting but supernaut has its own key as well so
yeah yeah true
okay but it owns like a z k program right my brain just went to all these other devices out there in the world like just doing telemetry picking up like mhmm just going into and store like storing data that it's pulling like mhmm weather irrigation farm like just how many devices out there and i'm going you guys keep talking my brain's
and that's why and that's why
i'm thinking about all this stuff
more commute compute and a lot more data storage
yep
yeah exactly yep
because it's not gonna be just people it's gonna be the things that
have people yeah and and also this is more you know coming from background of robotics and doing autonomous vehicles the fastest growing part of every robotics company that i've been a part of is the the sensor data and about i would say 80 to 90% of it has been photos and images and video so if you are running you know cameras at 10 80p 5 cameras on each side of the vehicle driving around for a couple hours you you just like break it to your way no problem right so yeah what are you gonna do with all this data now you collected all this data and you have to downsample it and you have to do all these things but fundamentally they have to go somewhere so to a certain extent you can prove certain things that are happening in there so it's like if you take you know if you do if you run like a ml inference on the video you can take certain things out of it but if you can even take do that and prove that you saw people in the video you could prove that anyway it just becomes really interesting because i think that's also a fast growing part and if you try to look for a sensor data on the internet it's just like again don't know if it was simulator generated or if it was we're just running at the same problem over and over again
i saw a video of speaking of sensor data of 4 waymos like stuck at an intersection because there was a amazon truck that was double parked and it was just they didn't know how to navigate the situation based on the sensors because they you know just can't take the risks that a human would take to go around a truck and it was very interesting to see i haven't had a chance to ride in one yet but i've heard a lot of people talking about them last time i was in la because i had waymo had just come to la but it was still limited in certain areas and it was interesting to hear their experience being just they loved it absolutely loved it and felt much safer than they did in an uber in la which you know that's there's not much things that would wouldn't make you feel safer than an uber in la so i but i thought that was you know when you're talking about the sensors that makes me think about that and then you can totally see the the like a camera of this type coming in so handy in driving situations as well like having that captured if you know for either for specific instances or just constantly going and just you know maybe the human triggers when it's actually captured but it's are saved or something like that but so many different interesting experiments happening right now i do wanna ask you about this this discussion you're having about uaps this was really interesting you skimmed the whole hearing docs for the recent uap hearings and uap is essentially ufos but different so there was recently a large earring and i'm going to just read this and then ask you a little bit about it but this is something that you would cast it a few things i found fascinating reading through the uap to hearing doc i skimmed golden schellenberger's hearing docs 400 pages uaps are a real unexplained phenomena we can say this without knowing what they are 1st step is acknowledging this vehicles have mass they show up on visual spectrum radar and infrared they have a pretty big radar cross section they aren't stealth vehicles are transmedium seamlessly move through different mediums like water airspace etcetera show no signs of causing friction vehicle has autonomous control they react to the planes or other vehicles around it they react based on what's going on around them that means they have sensors a control system path planning etcetera vehicles have non combustion engine propulsion field of propulsion is some sort of manipulating gravity etcetera are properties that this vehicle has shown to exhibit vehicles move in a super high g maneuvers
really interesting and again like as we're talking about verifiable images and things like that this is another area where i feel like it could be really useful of you know this happened at this time i verified it like here you go instead of the debates of is this real is this fake is this you know are these weather balloons you know the whole all the usual stuff but what did you take from like those are really interesting thoughts that you shared and then like it got me just thinking about all kinds of different things in terms of you have worked on a lot of different things like autonomous vehicles and flying cars and all this kind of stuff when you see this kind of technology like what does that do you think if we could unlock that technology what does that open up for us in sort of the next 50 years or something i know it's a big big question yeah it's a big question
i i may i mean i think the the well so so first first thing is you know by uap i just wanna clarify like we don't know if this is alien in origin like extraterrestrial or whatever you know i i think that's still fairly uncertain it could be advanced military technology from foreign nations it could be internally from the united states it could you know we just i think that's the the hearing itself or at least the parts of the hearing that i was most curious about were less about that because that's much more difficult to say anything about that's interesting what i was particularly interested was the like again and and and part of the hearing actually covers this where they're discussing physical evidence
mhmm
but like actual visual spectrum you know it it shows up on the radar as a radar cross section so like radar cross section is essentially how big the vehicle shows up on the radar so for example like a stealth vehicle is is like the size of a like a small bird so like an f 117 rcs for f 117 is like a bird but if you have a rcs for you know like a very big plane like it shows up as a very big plane these show up actually on radar which means that you can bounce sound waves off of it or you can bounce waves off of it and you can actually detect like there's a certain level of confidence that these things have some matter which is you know means that there's this exists in some form probably and i think that means that you know it it can do some different kinds of maneuvers you know there there's other sort of like different things i think you know it morph shapes it's like there's other less interesting things like there's reports of it being certain kinds of shapes like you know tic tac shaped or disc shaped or an orb kind of stuff but the the to me the interesting part was what they can do like you know if they're sort of physically sensible via you know current to today's sensors like they they don't have any stuff or anything and they're exhibiting certain characteristics there's no reason that it it essentially means that it's possible and if it means that it's possible like we can do all of these things in pretty much due time because it means that the the current physical like the current limit is physical reality it's physics essentially so if it know if you know this is physically possible we're talking about okay there's essentially different it's it's sort of like realizing that someone is summited everest or or probably like something like casey because casey is actually harder and you're like oh like this is actually summitable so like we can we can do all these things if anything i think it shows within however many decades it takes we're probably gonna get to all these things
that's wild yeah it's it seems like yeah if anyone if we you know some of our best and brightest could just get their hands on the actual uap and they could be reverse engineering a whole bunch of really interesting things so that's yeah that's to me it was like that's not that far off in in the distant future
there's a
there's a separate conversation altogether about the philosophical reason of its existence which i think is also interesting but it's less
concretely discussable
yeah yeah it's it's interesting
in its own way and maybe i mean i feel like
yeah yeah
well you know yeah
i i think there's a lot of and and some people in that thread like spoke about some interesting consequences of what sort of what they could be and things like that
and right
that's also interesting as well but i feel like we could spend a whole
episode be like yeah very long but there's there's a lot of interesting points in this thread so if you are interested in diving in more there's also the link to all the docs here so you can
you can you
dive in and check that out
specifically the the last two hearings were the ones that i've i've looked into the most
and okay let me click into that see if it'll open up for me
so if you yeah you
scroll down it says witnesses and testimonies this is michael gold and michael shellenberger and tim gallaudet debt
those are the
ones that i mostly looked at yeah
okay that's good to know so you can check everything out that is on this particular topic and super interesting it's a major rabbit hole though you you dive down there you're gonna be there for a little bit because there's a lot there it's but it is interesting to see us finally having hearings around this stuff because normally this is done you know in the dark where
also also another interesting thing about it just sorry one one more thing that i just remembered they're they're sort of like reports in of it being verified so so one of the the data one of the slides was about
resolution of reported uaps and i think like some high percentage of them were were were weather balloons yeah high percentage of them were you know these like essentially various different things like airplanes there's been lots of like the the starlink satellites have been mistaken for usually a trail of of uaps but essentially there's a there's like i think it was like i can't remember the exact number so don't quote me on this but like 10 10 or 20% that were essentially like completely unexplained
and right
so there's still a solid amount of like we cannot categorize this using and and so most of the information has come out of you know that that i was looking into was about those unexplained phenomena right
yeah those are the that's the things that are more interesting it seems like from the technical perspective of like how is that doing that you know that kind of thing whereas some of the other ones once you figure out what they are then it it makes sense so it's yeah it can be explained
and again to to informally honest i i think if you talk with anyone who flies commercial or has flown in the military this is kind of like an open secret
yeah totally we've been it's
been around for like it's this
is like a long
time thing yeah so it's just more it's there's just more information about it which i think is interesting
yeah it's mostly been the sort of behind the scenes and people kinda know but don't really know or don't know what's real and what's not and but it's been yeah very kinda kept quiet and this to me feels like we're opening the curtain a little bit to i think it probably not everything but a lot more than we've ever had so
exactly and and i think in a in a way in this scenario you know sort of similar to how i see it even with crypto where the government being involved in having clarity over certain topics and issues makes this more legitimate and makes it something to look into as an actual phenomena in the same way i i the parallel that i see is with the sec not clarifying how tokens should be handled
right
and so consequently now it's become this sort of seedy thing in a lot of people's minds which i think it could be turned around and similarly if you sort of shed light on what can be legally done and what cannot be legally done in in a sort of you know sort of at least some investigation into it right and i and at least with this uap to me it's just trending more in that direction which makes it less of a you know at one point cars had a conspiracy theory because it wasn't sort of readily available that if you or trains right like i think if you go there's some doctor report from the early 1900 that if you go fast or you know late 1800 that if you go faster than 60 miles per hour your skin falls off and like
yeah
you know you would like people would die so you can't you cannot go beyond faster than a certain point it's just not okay you know it's like these things have have conspiracy theories happen when there's no sort of way to verify verify
yeah
yeah in in yeah scientific method or otherwise yeah exactly we've also been
talking about information
yeah exactly but the edge of information is always like the edge of something new is always gonna be riddled it's the wild west right it's always gonna be riddled with speculators and grifters and conspiracy theorists but in that there's always interesting things
i think that's the best to become legitimate it's the best like understanding is thinking about the wild west and if you've learned any history and if you kinda dive into that and then you think about like trains and you think about like all the innovations that came and what they led to and you can see a lot of those things repeated but in different ways and it's a really really good way to think about it because you know that the wild west part of it isn't going to last forever so it's every you know everything in its time finds its like normalcy but just some things take longer than others adrienne anything else that you wanted to tackle we need to wrap up here we've been chatting for a while but anything i missed that you wanted to mention
no i didn't even know we were going into uaps today that was a that was quite the detour
i had to ask i saw that cast and i was like i have to ask about this because that was really interesting and yeah so now we're we're officially now the joe rogan prog podcast we're talking about aliens cool
we're so much better
so much better
anything else
oh go ahead go ahead adrian
no i said we did a lightning round last time so i won't do it this time i'll just ask one question are we living in a simulation
oh good question
i'm gonna add that to my lightning round questions it's a good question i just wanna know
i mean depends what you mean by by simulation i think you know that's the the sort of longer story but i i think if
you oh wait did we lose him oh there you go
no no sorry we're good you are
i'm just getting you're there you're there
i'm getting a phone call on my yeah i i think the the simulation cut off for for a second
that's what i thought
so that time i got disconnected
no i i think the
yeah it it does seem like being able to
you know continue i i feel like human progress has been about how to create theories and models to understand what sort of natural reality natural science is continuously with kind of this goal to figure out what the simulation it's like the ultimate question is how much of a simulation are we in and each stage and each
i think the
discovery is about uncovering
the thought that it might be a simulation sometimes just just is what keeps me going for the things i can't explain well like this has to be a simulation i just can't
it's comforting like it's comforting to
to totally totally
but i i will say that i think there's like fundamental you know laws of the universe that exists and i think that's really interesting right like very fundamental laws of physics for example and and so i feel like the the the level to which we know what the laws of the simulation are is like so little that it's not even feels like a simulation for us
that could be it alright wow
i was just like
not in a situation this is not a this is i realized this is not a good lightning round no one's gonna answer it quickly
there's no lightning round
gotta give
yes the answer is yes we're in a simulation
okay good thank you
alright and with that we're gonna end it here thank here with us we're super excited to get our
oh i think she froze
i'm getting yeah i don't know i thought it was on my end but okay looks like professor might have cut out
yeah i think so
i'm streaming from a new place today so i was expecting my internet not to last but i i think we're good so if you're hearing us and not prof thank you for joining