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i'm just laughing it for now literally just here to laugh at pronunciation today i'm not i am laughing benefit to the stream hershey's a little busy hershey'll be back for the interview portion after the after the news section yeah
perfect perfect so yeah we're gonna start with some news and then we're going to be talking zk with the opacity team so i'm very excited i can't get my hat exactly right it's the weird mirroring of the thing okay anyway
hey if you're on twitter go give us a retweet on the professor order account which i'm about to do right now so we can grab some folks from over there
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and yeah we're excited to have this chat today so it's been a big week we've got a lot of things to cover and we're gonna i adrianne just said she's gonna launch a bot in our discord that like throws kicks me out of the discord if i pull more than 50 links because i
just see i tend to pull a lot of links that i've added i know there's no time to talk about them all and enough is enough so i wanna buy i
feel a lot of them were snoopchart
our discord channel for each show when we hit 50 links it changes professor's password so she gets locked out
this is what she's trying to do to me which i understand i and half of them were clankers so we're just skipping a lot of that is what's happening so let's dive into a few things right here so i love this little the little memes from me on base and getting ready for thanksgiving and this is the little grateful meme and we're grateful for you me on base and i can't wait to see you at our basil very excited so a few things the magic eden house i'm definitely going to the magic eden house definitely going there at some point
i have so much fomo
come down come visit you'll be fine
think about it
i know think about it we'll talk about it after so yeah i am gonna be at art basel we are planning a forecaster friday meetup but details to come and there's also a pizzadao party friday night so i'm trying to just push everybody to go there because that'll just save me time so we'll see what happens but it's gonna be a lot of fun there's a lot going on but that's next week so for now one other a couple of things about cast out excited to announce the d gen crew is sponsoring cast out with a 100 k in d gen a 100 k d gen very excited for the winning tribe and then i'm adding another 1,000,000 cast out plus more to come so we do have a proposal up at purple so if you are a member of purple please take a look at this prop we'd love your vote on this this is for 1 eth and it will all go to the prize pool so this will go to again the winner the winning tribe from cast out split amongst the tribe members winner runner-up and then the other 3 so if you're not familiar with cast out go to the cast out channel read the pinned cast it will tell you everything you need to know this is a little survivor inspired farcaster game all the challenges are farcaster based and we're looking for 8 tribes of 5 to play so you can apply now we're gonna be making final decisions over the weekend we'll announce our tribes next week there's some really good ones if you are a member of purple there is a purple tribe so you can register to join that tribe if you want or you can create your own so really excited adrienne was our runner-up last time so she's gonna be available to coach people this time and
yes anyone who's playing i will be in your dms telling you telling you what to do
i'm trying to get to
you with
me in play play and outcast how many teams do you have lined up already
i only have a couple that are solid that are committed in for sure so i'm looking for a bunch more so even if you are just an individual you're like i don't have a tribe fill out the application i will put you into a tribe so you don't need a tribe but if you have a tribe of 5 they're together do that as well try and get play play play play play play
great way to meet friends
yeah exactly exactly so it's gonna be a lot of fun
the other and make enemies
and make enemies that too just just that one just that one adrian this is we yesterday
can you say that who who is my enemy is it ivy i don't know erica i have so many enemies
i think
it's just ted
oh they all hate
me ted
i don't know erica was really mad for a minute she got over it but you know i i
don't know a little
upset for a second
or is she playing the long game and convincing everyone that she's not mad only to
strike only
to come back later and i don't know it's possible it's possible i need to reach out to ted too and get her helping me with cast out this was huge yesterday so this is really big news at the larger crypto area and this i'm gonna read this from aviation doctor who posted about the tornado cash decision so in late 2022 afac blacklisted tornado cash for its role in laundering virtual currency for malicious cyber actors the users of tornado cash argue that tornado cash's inclusion on the sdn specialty
list exceeded ofac's statutory authority the district court disagreed contrary to the treasury department's arguments the immutable smart contracts are not services so even when we consider ofac's regulatory definitions the immutable smart contracts are not property because they are not ownable not contracts not services we hold that ofac exceeded its statutory authority accordingly we reverse and remand to the district court with instructions to grant the plaintiff's partial motion for summary judgment so what this is huge this is a big win huge win and for those who maybe didn't quite catch the legal aspects of that basically they're they're saying it was a big overreach by by the us government in regards to tornado cash because the argument has been from a lot of the you know crypto folks that this is code this wasn't people the people who used the platform to launder money yes they should be they they violated the law the people who just created the code did not so that's the argument being made and the courts are now siding on that side which is great news so there's still some other cases to go roman storm is still being held i believe so there's still some other aspects to this it could also go to the supreme court they could reverse but that would take quite a while so we'll see what happens my guess is it won't be they won't appeal it to the supreme court but we'll see we shall see what happens but that was big news so exciting stuff yeah very exciting things oh you changed your background you had the other one on there
i'm fantastic we'll talk about backgrounds later
yeah big news this was from a while back just to shout out nouns we donated 40 eth to alexi and roman's legal defense fund so good to see this news coming out today and this also included this is from seneca this also included a link to paul gruwals the the attorney for coinbase his tweet which was privacy wins and then went on to talk about the case but i loved that so very cool and this was i thought gonna be your background today
so it is i i'm alter i'm alternating
and i love this from jaskin i'd like to officially come out against the us really today if you need privacy you have something to hide which he's obviously getting privacy is for crime so cool to see this happening and
and if you go into the replies he does shout out the artist who made it and there's a link to mint my background if you follow through
so very cool yeah it's very neat it's it's pretty cool
this is hilarious
yeah
it's really cool
it's really cool in other news this is the big farcaster news well one of many but big farcaster news is frame's v two transactions are super fast this is super important on mobile hteremo for their great implementation of mobile wallet protocols so we've got frames v 2 launching today the dev playground was already open so this was from horse facts just published a frames v 2 demo repo and tutorial reminder of the upcoming schedule developer preview and playground are now live in warpcast you can start building your v2 frame today wednesday november 27th that's today initial release on mobile and web so very exciting and dylan talked a lot about that yesterday from a hub so a little more detail on the hub that recording will be out shortly you can also catch it like sometime
you can also i'm glad
out it it's already out technically on youtube the livestream is always there so you can go give it a give it a watch but this is exciting stuff and this from d o dad related dev love warpcast mobile now has a dev mode settings advanced dev mode once on a developer section will show up in the settings menu with links to developer tools a small step but one of many we hope to make to bring better devx to warpcast and farcaster coming to web soon so very cool what did you think of that adrianne
now that i'm a developer i am paying attention to all the developer tools and it's great i love when forecaster really leans into the attracting developers i i don't think it's ever not been the strategy but sometimes you hear like it it seems more apparent at sometimes so i think it's i i love the approach of of encouraging developers and creating tooling so i think it's great
yeah i think it's yeah only gonna be helpful and if you need an idea for frames dan's dan's handing them out in this particular thread frame ideas thread so a whole bunch of ideas here if you're like i want to build something and you're not sure by the way i would take a battleship or guess who any day that would be amazing somebody build that but rock paper scissors fire water no it's rock paper scissors lizard spock what i don't even know what that is come on now
no it's rock paper scissors period end of story stop trying to complicate lizard's
for fuck
research adrian's a a purist for sure i saw that coming a mile away
total purist rock paper scissors lizard spock you've never seen big bang theory
because enough is enough actually no and i haven't ever seen big bang theory
so good phrase b 2 walk through extended edition this is from horse facts there's a whole bunch of tutorials he's giving you all kinds of support here a whole bunch of speed run-in the github here so lots of tools to help you get started with the frames v 2 so very exciting anything else on frames v 2 before i move on to the next big topic of the day
i love the name it's very very creative
it's from the marketing department at park astra
they were really busy with that and i really have seen nothing but excitement from people who've been checking out the spec
and we have a special guest coming on our show on monday to talk about frames v 2 so who's who's that
you will
learn more dwr so oh yeah dan romero is coming on monday and we will be chatting all things frames so set your calendar and it will probably be at a later time than our normal show because he's west coast
probably 11:30 am est but we will let you know yeah i think
yeah i think that was booked by his pr person as well
yes he's gotta hit all the generations so he's yeah speaking of and you check
and gen z now we're going back to gen x millennials you'll have to wait bankless just hang on he's already been to you he'll be back i'm sure so this happened yesterday dwr went on thread guy and thread guy is actually located in la now in a in a content house and dan went there to hang out and hang out on the stream on on twitch i had to download twitch to my tv again jeez that tells you everything about where i'm at funniest part about this was the end was hilarious so if you missed it this happened at the end as they were finishing up saying goodbye and then the fist bump handshake issue at the end which of course led to this clanker launch a token called christian rap with this image which by the way the token handle is crap c r a p switch is
just perfect
i think
it's pronounced c rap no
c rap yeah it's c rap we got pronunciation issues here i call it crap but it's c rap yeah so you if you missed it you can check out the full interview here at on thread guy thread guy has casted again after 6 months there we go and this is what he casted so you can go check that out his interview with dan and adrian and d'wuffy i think you both watched it what'd you think
d'wuffy i
didn't find it did you think
oh he didn't watch it
oh i watched it okay what'd you think oh i i actually freaking loved it i watched the whole thing last night the recording i also love how thread guy keeps wanting to feel like just keeps feeling bad about not being on farcaster and did you and like apologize being like apologetic that he's not spending time here and dan's like i don't care just come back it's fine like he really like he gets it but i just thought that was really cute interaction because it came up a few times and dan's like it's fine i get it and people should spend time on twitter and it's fine just like just come back it's fine like there's it's it's not personal
don't take it personally dan does not take it personally
anything personal nothing
his family members have faded fated for caster at times it's okay he's still he's still having christmas with him it's okay
yeah he
hasn't taken off of yet when would be a good time for me to admit i didn't really know who thread guy was
now is good now is good yeah yeah right now
now knew thread guy as a thing existed in like whatever but didn't really ever pay attention so didn't really know what to expect and i thought it was phenomenal
so it didn't come with any didn't come with any prejudice is what you're you're saying you went in
no baggage came in and he they talked about one of my favorite topics which is farcaster i liked hearing yeah and listen dan when he comes on our show he talks about nothing but farcaster
true
i mean it's and and he really talks a lot about product decisions and why he's doing things and a lot of the conversation really went into dan's background personal kind of anecdotes yeah so i found it i thought it was great
it was you know if i if i zoom out and take my my my issues out of the picture i think for folks who don't know farcaster at all it probably was a really good starting point and a great combo
it was yeah i i i wasn't gonna watch it but if you had issues like i'm no more inclined to go watch the replay now
i have it's it's my i'm not the target audience for thread guy let's just leave it at that so like my i don't always vibe with his vibe you know what i mean so that's all it is it's not that's basically what it is i'm gonna bring up our other guest cohost now because he may have hi oiler
gm gm happy to be here on the wave riding the wave of like such optimism around crypto privacy and farcaster and dwr deciding to go on as larry david arc i'm really looking forward to seeing how that plays out
larry david arc like it
i
hadn't i hadn't quite connected that dot that's a good one we did talk about the tornado cash ruling already so you so i don't know if you have any thoughts on that but that was great news yesterday and we did talk about v frames v 2 so just wanna catch you up on where we're at but we'd love to know if you have any other thoughts about those two things and we're gonna jump into opacity in just a second we have a couple more quick things to go over but yeah so welcome welcome hirsch it's good to have you here
g m g m thank you for having me i think the main thing i've been thinking about is the win around tornado cache and like basically the the government decided to sanction what is just like code essentially which i don't think like makes sense like spent having spent my entire career in technology like just that argument makes absolutely no sense to me that you you can sanction code and so it's nice to live in a world where we can develop open source software and not worry about the government coming after us
it's really kinda crazy if you think about it because any technology can be used for good or evil right like it just it's agnostic and it's just how it gets used that makes the difference
so
it's so dumb because like this like cash is still like the number one thing like no one's
90% like
what are we talking about
90% of criminal activity is happening with cash paper cash
i would know i have witnessed criminal activity which
i would know don't start
i know i'm strong
the original dk transaction method like everyone's out here trying to build all this cryptography and you can just give someone a dollar instead
right no one's gonna know
no one has
yeah so it's yeah it's it's a little crazy but i'm glad
with me with her criminal activity as well
yeah i
know let's not let's not maybe publicize your criminal activity i'm just saying it kind of it kind of throws off the the point of it
bullish criminal activity all
right couple more quick things and then we're going to jump into our interview so that was thread guy it was a good interview and dan will be with us on monday for the gen xers who just just couldn't get twitch to download there you go this from afrochicks this is so cool no biggie just heading into the house of commons to talk about what i'm building on chain and on farcaster low key nervous wish me luck standing out in front of big ben there and then this picture this from oxbed who was there as well to support her uk house of commons is based today such an amazing event organized by stand with crypto aiming to build connections between builders and the uk government to shape the best landscape for blockchain market to thrive in the country huge plus i got to meet irl my bestie avrichix who is a great example of how people can leverage on chain to build their community even sponsoring her athletic journey so amazing part of this whole like we are optimistic about what's happening in the world right now pretty amazing
and helpful
it's broadcaster for growing your network and finding opportunities like this like right
right
i think that's so cool to see
amazing like this has been i've been just like we've shouted this out so many times but like from day 1 watching naomi on farcaster and like what she's done and and growing her brand on base like just incredible and so excited to just watch her journey to the olympics over the next 4 years and like be the first time i'm rooting for the uk to win a gold medal so it's kinda crazy no offense uk i'm usually rooting for america level this from jesse and we are sponsored by base that's the hats psa after 21 days around the world i'm back at my desk my top priorities through end of year are hire incredible leaders apply below so if you're if you're wanting to join base this is a good time to check this out
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i yeah i said almost i didn't don't you leave me it's very tempting
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saturday december 7th 7 pm utc i don't know what time that is but i'll figure it out that day price pool 100 usdc thank you usdc usdc tabletop channel members only i will be playing come knock me out of the game it'll be it'll be a lot of fun i'll
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it's gonna be awesome adrian what's gmfc 101 so i i reached out to this bot and it it told me stuff about farcaster you wanna tell everybody what you've been working on
yeah move over clanker there's a new bot in town it's gmfc 101 it is a super friendly bot that is going to help new users navigate and figure out farcaster it's really not that smart right now and sometimes it gets a little overeager in response multiple times i tried
to use that last week
do that yeah
it does do that it gets a little overeager but i will say what's really cool is when it does answer you it drops links to our youtube or our paragraph and directs you to find which is pretty cool so cool to see
i think you should i think you should hard code that the bot believes that you're the model for the forecaster og nft and then it'll just like spread the word and at some point it'll just become true
it is true we know it's true he is standing oh you need to change the thing again now she is standing at the gate of farcaster welcoming but also protecting the vibes it's absolutely adrienne there she is
i remember this we took this picture at farcon the beta we then we like digitized it afterwards
exactly thanks i just when i casted and said that this person looks familiar obviously dan liked my cast and if he created it he obviously wouldn't have liked it if it wasn't true
true
obviously
very true couple other really quick things and then we're jumping to our interview this week dgen week is this week for burfriends poker so if you are playing poker with the burfriends crew there's some bonuses this week from dgen so very cool and i do wanna mention this one thing from dan you either die here or live long enough to see yourself tell your users to build their own client he got the chuckle out of this because this is from sloke anyone can relay cast to twitter that's the beauty of farcaster because this is who sloke is the one who made a non cast and that allows you using zk proofs to cast anonymously to farcaster and then if you're holding a certain amount of the anand token you can graduate it up to the twitter account so what people were complaining about that aspect and he's he said go you know opportunity for another client so there you
go yeah
or you can bypass it with 33 bits if you're an og
there you go you can do that too
and now let's move over to talk about opacity so if you have not checked this out this is the opacity channel on warpcast opacity's verified data network leverages zk tls mpc and economic security from eigenletter layer to privately share data across web2 and web3 so first of all
great by the way great description yeah and it's actually a really good bio i gotta say mueller i'm gonna troll you all day because you're fun to to troll but i feel like i can tell you guys you guys also don't have a chief marketing officer
there's a and
i actually have a marketing right now and he's doing a great
job actually physics nerds
you're not you tried to troll him you trolled me
it's me no you i do
that's totally right i think it's funny you have to fix the profile unless you're only marketing to physics nerds
so here's the thing we
i think it's good i think it's good it covers all the you're a physics nerd you have to just go look up the rest of it that's all you know it's
cool so we've
been going back and forth on this but i actually it is on my task list to rework pretty much all the messaging because the strategy has has shifted pretty drastically on like where we're seeing pickup and like what's been what's been like the most exciting opportunities to like come our way so i it it served its purpose nobody knows all the words i know some of the words it served its purpose to to get out there and test some stuff but we're redefining the the whole bda and category thing right now so while i do appreciate you attempting to troll hersh i won't even say his name i'll let you guys figure it out there's gonna be changes on that front for sure
let's actually start there explain your name to everybody else who doesn't understand it
so i guess we can start with the pronunciation euler lagrange the first part last name of a famous mathematician probably the greatest mathematician of all time leonhard euler swiss mathematician and then lagrange i actually don't know his first name but also a french like super famous french mathematician and so growing up i really wanted to be a scientist i was really captured by the study of the natural world and it's like something that still takes up a i find myself thinking about when i'm like on the train or something and i studied physics in college i really wanted to be a physicist and you do a if you ever taken like the physics coursework it's basically needlessly complicated when you get to like classical mechanics you've run into this equation called the euler lagrange equation which is just basically my favorite equation it it's like a it's a bit complicated to explain but it just makes doing any physics problem like a 2 step process it's kind of crazy
alright that's awesome i feel like i learned so much just with that so very cool very cool and now i know how to say it because i was saying i think i said i think my original pronunciation was euler lagrange not even not even close
it's close
not really not really at all okay and i do want to before we jump into all the things i i wanted to say congratulations on your round so that was that's amazing and you just closed a seed round co led by archetype and briar capital with participation from a 16zcrypto csx and others special thanks to osprey android 16 doteeth for being such great angels and to ncitron and eddie for putting up with my relentless dms so very cool great to see and we love to see farcasters winning for sure so tell us what is opacity and then we'll dive into a little bit more on zk as well and sort of dive into all those things
yeah yeah i can explain it simply but then it won't it won't be like very clear why it's useful so there's usually like a story i like to tell and how i got obsessed with this particular problem but we primarily focus on zktls so https it's like the lock symbol that you see in your browser is secured by tls mark andresen actually added it added it to netscape like back when people started shopping online and they're putting their credit card numbers in on online stores and it's just like how your browser knows it's talking to your bank and not someone else essentially and the idea of the c k t l s is you can piggyback off of that authentication so like a boring example actually i'll give an interesting example the 23 me api exposes like your odds of the odds of male pattern baldness so you can actually generate a proof that you you have like you know 70% odds of being bald like significant odds and the data came from api dot 23 like it originated from 23 and me and then use that to mint like an nft and you can have like a verified bulk community for example oh that's funny broadcaster
by the way that would be perfect you can combine that with a dating app because i pretty much only exclusively date bald guys so that's perfect for me that'll be just like little combo find them up on the ball find the bald guys
there's so many ideas i really wanna do one for like verified founders who like raised a certain amount of money i
can see how many of them are bald
is it well i'm
just saying like you go in there like you log in you'd be like i want bald guys who have series a and they're funded by a 16 z and like just know exactly who you're trying to date right like i feel like you're working for this
there's something there there's something there i might be the only person who's interested in that so can you talk can you talk a little bit about for those who may not know what is z k like what we're talking about 0 knowledge proofs what is what are those what is that like so that people have a baseline understanding
yeah yeah i i actually don't like the term z k okay like i i think verifiable compute or honest computation is actually like a better place to start it's like more clear how this actually works so it's basically the ability to run some program get the output show it to someone else and they can just look at the output and this proof and and verify that the computation was done honestly essentially so i like one use case here actually doesn't have anything to do with privacy it would be like a z k roll up which some some peep some academics begrudge because it's like technically it should be called a validity roll up but you essentially what you want is to prove that some sequence of transactions results in a particular state group and you submit that onto your l one and so you could basically like you know construct blocks outside of a l one like state and so it's like basically much cheaper this is why we have very cheap transactions these days or like this this is one approach to making that happen and then like technically if i'm being like an academic about it the z k part is important when you wanna hide the inputs which is not important in a z k roll up but if you want to prove that like your kyc'd in the us right for yeah like a a defi use case that like you know we we wanna like adhere to like all the rules and regulations you don't wanna like put your social security number on chain or like even any sensitive information and so z k plus honest computation you can combine these 2 and prove that you did something correctly let's say you like check your identity information against like some trusted source let's say like the government and just have a simple proof that people can verify instead of having to do the computation themselves
cool so can you describe a few other like use cases that we might see for understanding how this might be used in our like daily on chain life where it might be another like useful integration
so i this kinda gets into like one big gripe that i've had with zk where like the reason i obsessed with zk tls in particular is like this is like a a foundational observation about blockchains and zk if you wanna bring anything on chain or if you wanna use any data within zk it needs to have this property of verifiability like and like i one way to define it is like it's verifiable if i can show it to a lot of people and we can all agree that it's like correct right that i actually own my twitter handle or this is like actually my birth date right and the amount of verifiable data there is in the world is like shockingly small like blockchains like is inherently verifiable so you get a lot of infrastructure use cases for z k there but i don't think those are gonna penetrate the consumer like experience because there's just like you don't it doesn't doing it in zk doesn't provide any particular advantage essentially except like anang is is actually a a clever way to use zk to around like a social network where you wanna make sure the person who posts has an account but you you get a lot more fun if they don't have to share their identity essentially but what we focus on is increasing the amount of verifiable data in the world so i think it's probably gonna be the meme use cases to be honest with you that are gonna like start popping off like pretty soon here like the verifiable vault channel i think would be really interesting i think like a meme proof of humanity how much neanderthal dna you have is like really fun games interesting that you can yeah you can do around that
but like so like and then
this could be really useful like so we're trying to solve a bit of an issue with nouns for example if you're putting a proposal in we need to check that you're not on ofac's list or you know things like that as we move to eduna so this is something we might be able to use sort of in the background that says we verify you're good but you don't have to release too much information in order to do that something like that so we can be doing that on chain to check but not having to keep a database of all that information so to speak in some
way yeah
is what i'm thinking eventually
easiest way to do it yeah i mean the easiest way to do it is to steal the proof that another service like check you let's say cash app or like venmo if you could just generate a proof that venmo like allowed you to you know withdraw money to your bank account because they have to adhere to those regulations it's actually a really good proxy for that's interesting you could just pick it back off of them you know
that's interesting yeah
i do wanna add here though because first you're gonna do saw these meme cases but there's like real shit
going on like that's why
i'm here like remind people like we're we're doing business like a lot of this stuff really revolves like the verifiable data it's like you can use on chain like as much as you want right this is really the the interesting part about it but like for example like we're working with a company called nosh that's a doordash competitor and they're letting you verify your doordash rating to like import trust into the network from day 1 so how do you know like like a driver is a good driver well you can verify you've got a 4.7 star rating you've done a 1,000 rides and like usually that's locked up in doordash and that's why they charge like 40% take rates and like then everyone's pissed off right like doordash is taking as much money as they can the drivers hate it because they're not making much money the restaurants hate it because they're getting like bad reviews and like they're getting charged too much money so you can actually create a user on network and sort of import that trust and like that's one interesting use case right we've got another one called daisy they're doing tiktok influencer program where like you wanna verify like i stitched a video like you know like this fucking sunscreen brand was like hey like if you have a 100,000 followers and you stitch this video we'll give you a $100 well now we can verify that i own this account that i have a 100,000 followers on tiktok it got this many views that i stitched at this time you can sort of own that data and then like extract the value of it to yourself so there's this whole idea of like the user centric data value proposition that like is is already starting to pop off like right now like these guys are doing 7 figure revenue arr like already today and it'll it'll move more on chain as like it makes sense but like they're like to hirsch's point z k is really big in blockchain because it's got this property of verifiability we add that to like the entire internet
okay cool like a a romantic use case i think is a good to call out here is a we have a founder who for some reason is obsessed with improving the earned wage access market here in the us something i'd never heard of until talking to this founder but it's like a slightly better payday loan offering which is like a super sharky and people don't think too kindly of that industry but it actually solves a problem for people like if you're an hourly worker in the us you get paid every 2 weeks right but let's say at the end of 1 week you need money to buy groceries earned wage access just like lets you access your wages early and then when you get paid you can just pay it back with like some interest right it's actually like could make life easier if it weren't for like the ridiculous interest rates but what this founder figured out is like the existing market you go through like they'll go talk to walmart and convince them to give their employees access to this service but with zk and especially doing the transactions on chain you can go through the actual workers have them prove from their like payroll system how many hours they're working and deliver a much better interest rate you can have like a user owned payday lending network and because it's like oriented around users it's like it just won't be a sharky
so that's what chime was trying to do as well right that which is like a online bank or something like that we're doing like a different type of payday loan to make it i don't know less sharpie essentially what you're saying but it seems like yeah there's even a next step of even better right to that's a great a great use case in my opinion there's a lot of people living paycheck to paycheck and just yeah sometimes things come up and you might need it sooner so that's pretty cool love that love that use case so okay so tell us a little more about where you're at what you're doing and what we should know about opacity and and all the things like what else is like interesting in terms of what you're building and beside the other question i have for you all is how has farcaster played a role in your like entrepreneurial journey i guess is a better
let's just chime in real quick before hirsch goes off because i said that farcaster as an economy is reductive and dan hasn't responded to one of my threads in like over a year probably and he's like bro you are like you get to work at multiple cool companies and startups just because you're big on barcaster i was like point taken but i still think it's a reductive narrative so i'll i'll say that personally me and hirsch met on barcaster and that's why i'm here but i'll let him talk a little more about what's going with
the company
yeah for me personally i'm pretty sure getting into farcaster was like a key like without that i don't think we'd be here today with like as far as we've gotten with opacity because i've been obsessed with zktls for many years now there's like a key technical issue in the details i thought was impossible to solve until i was like doing a few like i did a a few prs into the forecaster identity contracts and was actually working on those that i stumbled into an elegant solution to this problem that i thought was impossible before so it's literally like thinking about an identity system around forecasters what like allowed me to come up with a solution for what opacity is today but beyond that the highest alpha thing i've done as a founder and this kinda happened accidentally like i didn't seek out to do it i just like started shitposting at forecaster is somehow get on the auto follow list and just like have a a massive large following on forecaster
like most of our initial hires behind my cofounder and like our coo came because of forecaster i put up randomly put up like a $1,000 bounty on body bounty bond for a smart contract engineer that hit like is actually someone from the ethereum foundation who saw it and like knew someone that was available dewofi of course him and i met through dfarcaster and an engineer on our team actually i found because of a misspelled search and the skill that i was looking for was like in his in a profile that showed up and i just dm'd him and it's like he's like real like god tier at this really niche skill set and now it's just like a purely random misspells for search
so what that's cool that's really actually pretty cool
when i talk to founders i like really go off on you should use farcaster you should use it actively too and what i always say is like you shouldn't post so people like just start making with friends in the comments essentially that's like where you should start in the beginning with farcaster and then you can go into like otherwise you probably won't get as much engagement on your actual content it's about the friends in the comments not the actual engagement that you get in the beginning
i we completely agree and that's exactly what we were talking about last week on farcaster 101 talking about content and just dive into the replies when you're brand new because that's how you that's how people get to know you that's how you find the comment the content that's interesting to you that's how you found the people that are interesting to you is just by diving in and and replying and connecting so love that love that so much adrianne i'm going to turn it over to you what you got i know we had some questions on the timeline to on our yeah there was a reply and a
lot of questions in the chat as well and duluthi i know you're answering some opacity meaning is the opposite of transparency i take it hiding and it's
admittedly it's like we went through a long list of names and opacity was the first one where
like the the domain was available
was like available so and like we basically just like jumped on it but it does make sense i guess like in like a photo editor the opacity is like ties into zk actually it's like we basically make the existing internet visible from within a blockchain which is actually like like a huge unlock in terms of the use cases that you can build in crypto but we wanna promote like a more user centric internet is like actually that's the only thing we could promote by the nature of what we do we like need the user to log in to some service to generate a proof so so you have to build something compelling enough for the user to get past that hurdle and it's up to the user how much information they wanna share right
awesome adrienne what else you got
i'll
here why don't i i'm gonna
positioning a pk question list
yeah we got a question and i'm actually realizing a lot of the questions people ask have already been answered
yeah
so we don't actually need to do them but did you guys know there was an og crypto ban of the 19 nineties
i do remember this yeah
it's actually like literally just from like like the fbi yeah just cryptography the fbi being like well if we do this then we can't solve crimes so we must ban cryptography
yeah history
end up following these links it was really interesting
oh this was the first question from jrh3k5 how does the off chain computation of a z k proof get mathematically verified and i don't even know he's like i'm gonna go on the other one what he's asking
i can make an attempt here
okay so what's he asking can you can you re like paraphrase his question in english
what i mean
or conceptually like what is the what does that mean
so in like when i was going off on zk earlier my claim is like you could do some computation i can show you the result like i'll check if your birth date makes it so you're over 21 you just get a true or false and then some proof that this was done correctly right and it's kinda like a mind blowing thing what he's asking is mathematically how can you construct a proof where you can just like check if a particular output was done honestly it's kinda like a like a if you would've asked me when i was like in college i probably would've guessed that it's impossible to do but amazingly it is possible to do
so there's like a i guess i can lay it out as like an analogy so your normal ethereum wallet you have your private key as you know like stored you know in your rainbow or like metamask whatever wallet you use and then you have your public key or like the wallet address that's a that you can like share freely it's like this asymmetric system is important because i can sign a message with private key and then ever the world can check that that message was signed correctly given my my public key right and so in zk it's like a basically the first step is you take some program and you represent as a polynomial and how this is done in practice is like pretty complicated as you can imagine not every type of like program is easily represented as a polynomial but then once you have it as a polynomial you basically generate like 2 keys that are analogous to your like private key and your public key you generate your proving key and then a verifying key i guess but you can share both of these publicly and then when you generate the proof you use the proving key plus like your polynomial to to generate the proof and then you submit it on chain and then you can use like your public key or the verifying key and check it against the proof so you can basically generate like a key pair for your program is the analogy that i i i wanna lay out
those are crazy analogies that still involve math
so so just to summarize the answer is math
yeah yeah yeah you're just doing poly like finite deals over polynomials yeah yeah got it
it's amazing i feel like i'm ready to go back to school
yeah it's been
a it's been a minute it's been a minute since
since you've been doing some math
yeah okay and i think you kind of answered this i just have a just a question about kind of the just the business i'm like so i think no we're not sharing
do you wanna show that okay
that's separate i find zk just like really interesting i understand the use cases it's very clear it's necessary and that you know from a just from like a company perspective you guys are primarily it sounds like providing z k service to other companies and developers who are looking to who need verification as opposed to me with like a consumer who's on chain
yeah so i'll jump in because this is like yeah this is like the bd ish part
he's like i can i can answer this one this doesn't help me
i know i'm so excited
no analogy to us it just falls down actually
yeah so because of the way it works and i was talking about raffy with this in the in the chat it's like it's user owned like user owned data only like we can't just people like can we just export the twitter graph like that's not how it works if the user has to sign in and you have that tls security that harsh was talking about and that's what we can verify we know that it's coming from a certain place so because we need the user cooperation like 99% of my conversations are all with like consumer apps because if you have a consumer app you have some carrot to dangle or something to get users to log in so like for that doordash example right it's like why would you sign up for like another doordash because they pay 30% more because they have a 10% take rates 40% you don't even have to leave doordash right you can just use all the platforms like most drivers probably do but you have a really good reason to log in and verify like your doordash credentials and you'll get rewarded for it same with the tiktok working with teleport like daylight the energy company like verify that you own this tesla powerwall so you can earn rewards on their protocol for like sending energy back to the grid right as long as there's a user to log in then we can verify any data that we can see from that platform so yeah so like as a you know person who's using consumer apps you probably wouldn't talk to us directly but anyone who's building a consumer app this thing like it lets you a like target the right users to like onboard them to your platform right b you can verify that people do something somewhere else like the tiktok example like you wanna like have a reward i was talking with tim from bracket about this by like you know if you're like a huge like chicago bears fan on reddit we can like give you some free bears packs or something like that right there's these all these things that you can do with like it's like already existing data if you're building any sort of like and it can be as crypto as you want it to be right like bracket is definitely a crypto game but you just log in with your email and you're playing with like points and stuff right so he he doesn't even need to bring that on chain he can just verify it figure out how many packs you're supposed to get then give you your packs on chain and this like proof never hits hits the on chain like area
it's like a platt is probably like a analogous web 2 business that we have a lot of similarities to but i would say we're much better in that like platt actually like sells people's data like behind there's been lawsuits around like them selling people's data behind their backs and it doesn't work in a in a crypto or blockchain context so we enable a plan for a wide variety of apis not just bank apis but you get the data in such a way where it's privacy preserving and you can even bring it on chain if you want to so it's better in all respects
so you're not like holding the data you're just verifying data that exists elsewhere which is fantastic actually
yeah yeah
yeah
alright very cool i'm gonna cry because it's just such a beautiful world i freaking hate all these companies that hold my data and sell it
no it's and this is i think
i just want a little privacy
my
crime and for my legit do
you wanna hear a meme coin idea brighter
so i mean of course
i'm pretty i'm pretty sure plaid if you like email them requesting them to delete your data they like legally have to respond to you and well i don't wanna name the person but i know like a pretty like famous investor in the space who like just literally every he has like a long email thread of him asking for that to delete his email emails are verifiable you could literally create a meme coin where that pays out based on people asking flat to delete their data to incentivize people to like just like exit flat i think that would really take off
that's interesting yeah that that's very interesting oh funny yeah i'm curious to see so that there's a lot of feelings about the meme coin mania that we're currently experiencing but i'm enjoying it in a lot of ways and the ways i'm enjoying most of it is the things that are different and unique and people playing around with you know like i love clinker and like what's happening there and just cause it's different and it's it's pretty impressive in terms of the innovation if you really think about it like the fact that you're launching it just by a cast and when you launch it then there's like this whole page that's just there in seconds that has everything you need like that's like i think that's being a little underrated in terms of all of that because that is like crazy if you think about it how quickly that's all happening and coming together and then watching what happened with anan and anan cast and all of that like that to me is all so fun and interesting and different and you know that all of those things are gonna lead to something else it's not just about the meme coin some of these are just shit coins we know that but there's these other things that are happening
just a minute i'm so bearish i think it's such a distraction i think the anand thing is cool i love
the thought it is absolutely a big distraction but the things that are really interesting are really interesting like in terms of the technology in terms of like what's happening sort of under the hood to me is there's a lot there that we're just scratching the surface of and i think that's what's making this a little bit fun but
i'm wrong all the time but i'm bearish
no i get it it's also a huge distraction like believe me it is and i i'm like i have to keep going i can't look at that right now i don't have time i will look at you at 10 o'clock and hopefully i haven't lost money
but we just did a whole show i'd realized we just did the whole show and haven't covered meme coins
i chose to not i chose to not even cover them because there's a ton
ginger dollar side ginger did get launched yes it did in addition to blind and burnett we called that
6 of them got launched at least that i saw yeah
and we didn't talk about the metamask experiment hilarious we don't yeah so
the metamask founder in case you guys missed it
he yeah not metamask
he launched consent yeah he launched the coin consent he was not happy with the experience and the funniest part was he was really unhappy with the mobile experience on metamask and if you like can just follow that one through because that to me was hilarious i almost wanted to reply until i realized who it was i almost replied yeah metamask does never works good on mobile don't you know that
yeah yeah that's dan other dan
there you go
i was like i
probably shouldn't say that too
i think he'd take it fine honestly like from what i've seen i haven't interacted with dan directly but he he seems like he's got pretty thick skin i feel like you've if you've been running metamask this long like either you give up or you develop the thick skin i don't think you'd take it personally
that's like i just thought
that was the funniest comment i was like does he is he like does he not know that metamask just doesn't work well on mobile oh wait no he does know oh okay nevermind
we're working on it
but that was funny there were so many things but the anand stuff to me was sort of the most interesting thing that's happened in the past couple of days and also blonde i i do i am enjoying blonde but there's so many there's just too many we can't cover them all anymore also reminder in case i forgot to mention it today there's they're risky i'm not even gonna call them assets be very careful you're in a casino don't spend more than you can afford to lose because you will lose about 90% so just be aware just my usual disclaimer that i almost forgot back to the tech back to the tech
on the topic of anand i think things can get really interesting especially with our tech we can let people prove that they're employed somewhere for example or they were employed somewhere and then layering that into anon you can you can have a lot of drama be created oh interesting and i don't think like every week we can see
what we can do what leads to the whistleblower like the on chain whistleblower anon thing and that to me is really interesting like that's what i mean by weird too
right you'd be like not only i worked at merkle but like i mean this is a bad one right like you could be like i'm i can prove i'm a founder of merkle and then like you know it's either dan or vee that's like stop and shit you don't know which one you're like yo metamask doesn't work on mobile
i i do think it gets it gets pretty funny if you start doing that or like if you could tell you can prove that someone like got fired and they're like you'll fuck that place there's a lot of different things you could do
yeah yeah it's i think there's a lot of fun to be had and we're gonna see more of it adrian back to you what other questions do you have for the for the group
them all yeah and i know we're probably short on time yeah to get a wrap maybe just wrap up for you guys like a year from now
oh good question
what what have we seen in the z k space that doesn't exist today
i think what i'm hoping to see like what we primarily focus on is my theory like the thing i've been going off about is that zk has been in a bubble basically and funny enough the stuff that we're working on is a a way to actually like bring it back to reality what the only thing that we could potentially work on are consumer apps that solve problems for people and the interesting thing is like basically opacity was started a year ago i had a whole list of use cases i thought would be the first things built but the what's happened is i only got one thing right in terms of predicting it everything else that's taken off is stuff i would have like never seen right we have a company that's really good at making things go viral on tiktok right i don't use tiktok the earned wage access market i'm not super familiar with it and so i'm hesitant to predict particular use cases but i think especially conversations i've had with like founders who are interested in exploring zktls is it'll be consumer products that i think will lead the way in this next cycle of crypto
i agree this is interesting from raffi anans with dotgov email oh wait that would be interesting yeah there's your whistleblower
but
you could do i mean that's another great use case honestly the the dot gov or dot edu or whatever you know particular type of limited top level domain that you're trying
to dotxyz and now you block them all yeah
i was reading actually i i was reading an article this morning from from my my guy that i i quote a lot adam mastrayoni and he mentioned the seniors in this article as like these different things that like sort of occur but i think there's a lot of interesting things we say consumer apps and i think that's sort of the first driving but once people are able to like share their data like if you can verify these types of things about who you are and sort of signal you know where your value proposition is like the list of work is very cool i think the scene is is like as as dows get much more interesting as well you can verify like who should be like a part of this or like verify that someone did something off chain to earn rewards on chain there's just a huge problem space and design space to to get into these things once you've got sort of like like one of the big things about web 2 is you can put economic incentives on things right because that's all verified so when you can layer that on top of web 2 then just a lot gets unlocked so i think it'll be like a much more like user centric year as opposed to like platform or infra for 2025 and like what that means to hirsch's point is like all tbd like i get a new idea literally every single week when i talk to potential partners for opacity
yeah that's gonna be interesting because yeah there's always things you don't think of because you're not in that space like great point about tiktok like i wouldn't think about tiktok use cases at all like with the rest
of my life i spent all day thinking about tiktok use
cases
i mean that makes a lot of sense though it makes a lot of sense especially for what's happening in that space right now so very cool
oh you might see a bank too
anything else
and
then oh yeah oh yeah
what the heck is going on with the bank i almost forgot about that we we didn't even talk about the bank what are you buying a bank what is going on
so it here i guess the back like the backstory here is i had this i so you could construct what's called like a verifiable bank with zktls because ach the ach system in the us is actually secured by tls so like maybe a specific example would help let's say you want to sell 5% of your direct deposit for the next 6 months right you construct an asset that represents like you know a proportion of your direct deposit sell this one on chain you can have a bank that will automatically like redirect that proportion to whoever owns the asset and then prove that they did it correctly because the ach system would be verifiable there's like a a whole lot of cool use cases that would like crop up like in traditional like trad 5 products like a cd fixed deposit to be honest i don't even know what that is i was just talking to a banker and he gave this example where
yeah
if if you have that it's basically an illiquid asset if you wanna borrow against it because you have like some something like come up it's a human process you go through but if you make the bank verifiable you could just do it in software so you can basically have a much more rich landscape of just like consumer finance that's like the backstory this but i just like filed it away i shriram mentioned an id i'm like oh i know how to do this because i had a write up on how to do it find a struggling bank to buy it and hook it up to eigenlayer as like a half joke and then shriram quote tweeted it and i like it's i'm i thought like i knew what pmf felt like but now i actually know like just that idea of a verifiable bank the amount of people that reached out to me yeah i'm talking like really like well respected wall street bankers and so like
i think there's definitely interest in the bank there's like some stuff i can't say publicly just yet but it's like a it's
it's a real possibility it's really
in the works
okay that's awesome okay so that's also just from a general yeah just from a general perspective it's hard to find like i would just like to have a debit card i could use that's just pulling from my from my eth but like without me having to fully like change that over you know what i mean like so there's all kinds of possibilities there
yeah there's no coming up
terms of like lending and borrowing and all you know there's so much that we're not doing because there's so many banks that are anti crypto so it's really hard to like i think there's definitely amazing possibilities there yeah what were you gonna say to the fee sorry
i say there's there's like there's like multiple approaches right we like the etherfi guys are are launching a card that i think is pretty interesting that'll let you like have a credit line based off like your crypto holdings which i think is is a pretty smart product so just if anyone's looking for that but the but like to her point like there's all these exotic derivatives and stuff like that that really sort of open up the world and this is like how like i come from this is how really rich people stay and continue to get really really rich yeah exactly like you look at that stuff and they're like oh no you're too poor you don't understand i'm like that always struck me as like you know what i mean like from the government they're like you don't understand risk you can't have these high return strategies so if you could just construct it yourself and like offer the service to anyone i think
i think
i think everyone gets a lot like both of you guys you can express your own
like risk tolerance and have access credit and
things like that so like earned wage access is like one version but if you get the whole bank hooked up then like like game on this is you know this is a completely different level of like to purchase point pmf like we're talking like orders of magnitude difference for sure
the whole accredited investor thing annoys me on many levels because you're you're limiting the ability of people to eventually reach that level because of that level it's like there's there's very at 22
yeah at the at the risk of getting political like i really think like people need like you need a little bit of like pain to learn lesson like you need opportunity to learn lesson like you need to be able to like improve your social standing your economic standing like you need to be able to like take risks and you need to be able to you know really engage with whatever it is that you're trying to learn about and by like cutting it off at the knees or by like you know giving like handouts to people and then like i think this actually like keeps people down i think you need to just really offer like as much opportunity as possible to
people
and this is
you know a step in that direction to like sort of
like humanity as a whole lift up
i feel like for the past few years especially in the sec and gary and all the all the folks trying to protect us consumer protection like your consumer protecting me from earning money is what you're doing at the moment can you stop that please like it's really frustrating but yeah i think there's like amazing possibilities so we definitely want to see hershberg yep we're here for it we're here for it i'm dying to see it see it happen adrianne what else did i forget anything anything else you wanted to ask before we wrap
no i think we covered it all
or should anything else you want to you want to mention before we before we wrap it up
follow me on tiktok
are you on tiktok
i am on tiktok and i've i've started to find other crypto people
i saw
i found mcbain obviously i followed ted the rehab i was
just saying
i don't know
if you know but ted's on tiktok
yeah ted's on tiktok i follow lambchop lambchop who found farcaster via tiktok so oh that's funny
no that's cool
my my feeds look definitely strange right now as i follow people who have like nothing to do with each other but i know from farcaster but it's all good we'll figure it out
apparently base finally they posted the thing we did at base camp so we're on tiktok tony just shared
it with
me and i forgot to pull it for this one when we talked to base at base camp so he said oh you're tiktok famous i'm like famous is a big word but okay i don't think we're famous as we wrap up i do want to mention that today 3 pm we do have our final firecaster 101 going live at 3 pm about channels and then office hours at 4 pm we do not have a show on friday so happy thanksgiving we will be back on monday with dan romero at some point we believe it'll be 11:30 am est but we will confirm that and let you know and hirsch anything else from you before we wrap it's been a pleasure yeah yeah no this has been
a great time appreciate you guys having me on if anyone wants to talk about cktl it's actually prioritize dcs and more cast over any other like way of reaching out to me so definitely that's the place to to hit me up
i love that i love that it's amazing adrian anything else there we go i love it
euler what do you think of my background
i mean you had like you definitely had me convinced of the i think f c the first f c n y that party i totally believed it but now i'm a bit skeptical why why don't we why don't you ask dan on the next one let's see if we can corroborate the story
i as soon as i saw that og the when it first dropped the first thing i i think i casted this was like this is the prom i said the prompt was adrienne at the gates of farmaster waiting to welcome it because it was permissionless right it was permissionless was was just launching what waiting to welcome the masses while also protecting the vibes
saying come on in
but don't mess our vibes up
i forget i can be a little sarcastic in real life when you meet me in real life in real life
you think you're not sarcastic on camera it's a
this is real life i mean on the feed
on the feed i don't
i don't think i cast
i don't think i cast sarcastically oh i do occasian
okay i forget it adrian face does translate into casts yes on occasion
yeah so i
got question for you guys on this topic
yeah
yeah i've had it happen a few times where i'll meet someone i believe interacted with a forecaster and me they tell me that i'm less unhinged in person than i am online but i don't actually think like i'm that unhinged on farcaster so i'd be curious to get your guys' thoughts there
what do you think adrianne
this is a very thoughtful thoughtful response
yeah i also think i don't i don't think it's a hinge unhinge spectrum but there is a difference between the energy you bring on on on the feed and i i don't know if i can come up with the right adjective but it's and it's not off the dome it's not it's not snark
i off the dome
off the dome i don't even i
don't know how that may be i think you i think you sometimes just like you just cast and you're like not really overthinking it and you're like not realizing that maybe the tone isn't what you wanted it to be but i don't see it that often it's every once in a while there's one that i'm like what did you mean by that i know
yeah you cast like you're in our small group chat on the public feed which is what makes farrakastr amazing because we talk like we're in a group chat and i think what happened is is like as farcaster got bigger and audiences got bigger the way you casted still say the same which is fine and authentic and that's great but i think people who don't know you or didn't know the history of you when they meet you in person and you're like oh you're a little more thoughtful and you talk about polynomials you're not a total wacko and i don't think you cast all wacko it's just sometimes you'll and i and i have no examples but yeah there's a difference so not just
a little wacko not like a full on wacko
yeah i don't think unhinged i agree with you though unhinged is not unhinged it's not
the right term yeah i've seen unhinged that's not unhinged it's definitely not you're not unhinged
i strategically put as little thought into casting as possible and actually would rather stick to just assuming that forecaster's like a big friendly group chat i think it'll just be a better social network or my time there would be better interacting it with it in that way
i think i'm very much i'm similar i'm just a little a little more hinged that's all i think i i i really don't yeah i don't really censor myself too much i mean occasionally in a group chat i'm gonna go a little bit more crazy but
also i never say anything that i wouldn't expect you know wouldn't happy to see on a timeline kind of thing so if it if it got out kind of thing so it's like i'm i'm very much the same i kinda try it like a big
group chat i censor myself i have to
i don't really censor much
i really don't censor and we don't really censor much on here by the way you know that's why we stream live we stream live and we don't edit
no youtube youtube censors you as well
you sure
i learned yesterday
yeah
and so for those that don't know dewofi was on a stream and i tried to join it and it was being censored
yeah oh you're good good i thought it might happen that's why i didn't
a little
copyright takedown a little copyright takedown
is this the word they they had a very
nice this karaoke is that good
yeah
it's just like the their like copyright algorithm for music triggered exactly
oh oh speaking of last thing what song am i queuing up for you guys for our gm forecaster karaoke brunch
go ahead darish
what's what's your song what's your karaoke go to song we need to know
rock ready for you you internal eternally we'll do we'll we'll we'll go really bold on this one debussy this this like do it internally
i don't even know everyone
this is like we're probably embarrassed ourselves doing it but it's
can't wait
it's it's a it is
that's the point can't wait it's gonna be awesome yeah we're running it back at e denver we haven't set everything in motion but we're definitely going to run this back at 8th denver with our karaoke breakfast once again absolutely so that'll be happening and we may have to do it in new york too for f yeah farcon new york i think we'll have to we'll have to figure that out see if we can find a karaoke brunch in new york there's gotta be one i assume it's freaking new york it's gotta be one somewhere we found 1 in denver we can find 1 in new york alright awesome this has been an awesome come by anytime we love having you here so if you guys have something to know about something big you're welcome anytime mine doesn't do the hearts but i can do that much i'm not on a mac i'm not on a mac i'm just on thanks
for having us
but we love having you here
we do have a company in our ecosystem who can make stuff go viral on instagram and tiktok like they're very good at it oh so if you if you guys have anything a message you wanna promote across like outside of crypto twitter and farcaster we can hook it up awesome we'll have to
do that our clips up on my tiktok i'm gonna make i'm gonna take a 16 z money and put it into opacity and then put it to make myself go viral this is all the part of the this is
one big rift by me honestly
master plan for 2025
no reveals this to her
tiktok famous is what he's
looking for yeah i have to
get chris dixon to make me famous on tiktok this is all hilarious
that's hilarious and also oops wrong thing i wanted this one not that one enjoy happy thanksgiving everybody just wanted to shout this one out i love gravy i'm very excited about thanksgiving here in the us it's always my one of my favorite holidays so enjoy everybody and with that we're gonna call it
amazing if i can make a like a one last message i wanna get across here so one of my biggest regrets because i got into crypto when i was like 16 years old i really regret not like dropping out of college earlier and just becoming a builder in the space like honestly and given where the like the
i forgot we were gonna talk about that
if there's anyone listening who's like in college hate school but you really wanna work in crypto i have a long list of people who have dropped out and become builders in crypto and i would i would definitely encourage it actually
technically not a a little late to the game but our most recent college dropout right
yeah kinda
not really i'm still teaching one class i will say this about higher ed and i have a very a very straightforward approach to this it's not for everybody if you are internally motivated especially if you're going into tech and you have a drive there already college is probably not gonna help you achieve your goals if you're a programmer if you're a dev there are other better options flat out if you're not sure and you don't know what you want to do college is probably a good place for you to go but at the same rate as long as you're thinking about the return on investment don't take out a jillion loans to do it not going to be worth it especially where we're at now but if you can find a way to get scholarships get it paid for in florida i say this all
the time
we have something called bright futures then you go to a florida state school you can get it all paid for if you have certain grades and all that then it's probably worth it but otherwise you're 100% right if you already have that drive and you know what you wanna do it's probably not gonna help you however education does help
so like however if you're my son you're
never winning
you're going to college
my child's going to college absolutely but i do think that and i see this so where i teach in school of entrepreneurship but there's 600 students in that school and probably each year there's 5 to 10 who are actually entrepreneurs who actually have that drive who if they drop out totally get it because they've got the drive they've got the goal they know what they're going to do they're staying in school because their parents are making them that kind of thing but most of them don't have that drive and without the college degree are going to falter big time so it depends on who you are but i i think that's great if you have that drive go for it you don't have to you don't need the higher the higher the college degree more and more so is not gonna be the key to your success it's gonna be what you do with it and what you do with it and who you meet along the way
for sure like the next 18 months in crypto is gonna be like making up for lost time as well yep and there's gonna be a huge return on investment of your time spending that time in crypto building because the space is just gonna move a whole lot faster yep and you'd probably miss a lot staying in college just my 2¢
i you know i know you were looking for a fight but i'm not giving you one because i don't disagree i don't disagree if you have the drive on be but you need to still educate yourself you have to have internal drive because you're going to need to learn this on your own and most of it has to be learned on your own most of it you're not going to learn in a classroom because there aren't enough about crypto anyway
unless you subscribe to gm forecast or whatever
exactly if you don't have
to learn it on
your own
exactly adrienne did you wanna add any any notes on there
because we're both telling our kids
to stay in school
yeah i've just been on i've been on an anti college kind of crusade myself just i not that i think colleges are useless it's just if you look at trends in terms of like the value of the credential
yep
the internet like you really can learn you can learn anything you want today absolutely pretty much for free online and it's for self motivated learners and people who are doing and to euler's point the
the experience matters so much so like to get it so especially from like for if you're a developer a coder so fully fully agree however i've changed my perspective a little bit lately now having a kid in college and having like the
i still think there's a lot of value in the science and like the research institutions
yep
today in certain fields so
i think it depends on the field depends on what you want your goals
like yeah but yeah i don't
think but also you mentioned self motivated like i've taught thousands of college age students 1,000 and i will tell you there's only a tiny bit who are actually self motivated and who actually will take those next steps when you and who have critical thinking skills like the best thing we can be doing is training more people to have critical thinking skills especially in the age of ai so that's the problem and sometimes college is where they find the thing that actually motivates them to do more to reach up reach more and that kind of thing so it just depends on i think it's a very individual thing but if you're in there alcoholism go for it
say it again
for me
with alcoholism that's what i discovered in college
that too yeah there's that part of it too
and so social aspect
there is something to that the social aspects and learning how to you know live on your own but in a very you know safe environment kind of thing so there's aspects to it that also make a difference but you have to weigh that with the return on investment it's not worth it if you
take on that
refuse to let
me troll
no let me troll no let me troll me
on the topic of the sciences though like
it's if you're really smart interested in those areas most likely your career and how you make money is not gonna be in like physics or geology right but you'll just like be you can you know keep up with it on the side is like whatever your main mission life is is probably gonna take up a lot lot more of a like you can you can do things like at the same time you can you can walk and chew gum
i agree
yeah and you can have a job and learn something
yeah that that was like 4 last
words last words
yeah yeah
yeah i love it though
we're gonna give it to you we're giving you the last word
we just keep we keep trying to wrap it then
i know but it's actually a really
he's got to go bill
but but professor has the he presses the button to end the stream so the last word has to say bye bye so it's like that time when ethernet got in a conversation with mf or gbd and and a conversation would
end but it's a great conversation i hate to end it but we do need to end it alright but it's been awesome it's been so awesome it really has and i've enjoyed it so much so with that we are really going to say bye bye but hang on for a second if you can so we can say say goodbye after we end the stream but thank you do you fee and euler i'm gonna say it wrong
euler lagrange
lagrange la grange la grange i gotta say a french accent and then we're fine euler la grange harris bueller
alright with that everybody we say
good evening
bye bye
bye bye