gmfarcaster it is tuesday april 16th and you are here with nowishprop and adrianne and a very special guest july and i'm so excited to have you here hi july welcome say hello to
the people having me
and he looks nothing like his profile pic this is usually the thing that you hear from everyone is that you do not look like a statue of a a roman god
so there now now you all know now you all know it's wonderful to have you here adrianne wonderful to have you back yesterday we had not adrianne which you ended up buying toadyhawk not adrian dot eth and i think that is just hilarious
so i don't know what i don't know what he's gonna do with it but
i can't wait to see and i'm also a little scared for you but we'll see what happens
i ate my dog i ate my dog food yesterday i listened as a i listened to the recording and i got caught up on the news of the day it was great
there you go this is what we're here for so speaking of we are gonna start with a little bit of news and and then we're gonna jump into just chatting with july because there's so much to talk about so we have from dan we have officially everything is back up and running and i did think this was a great message from him on uptime and app performance we're greater than 20 x the usage since the beginning of the year so naturally we're running into all the parts of the system that need to be scaled and rethought this is both a warp cast and barcaster protocol challenge appreciate everyone's understanding and patience and then below that we're only 14 people so hiring a few more staff and engineers will help if you know of any staff engineers with experience at scaled scaled consumer tech startups have them reach out and this was related to mostly images being down so we had a lot of memes going along with this and some of them were quite creative so image uploads are working again but before that we had people getting very creative with sharing images like this like very interesting
that's impress that's impressive
isn't that impressive that was pretty impressive i gotta say very impressive and then this from sartoshi images are down but it can't stop us and basically it's just the description of the parents in their thirties young couple png text honey we saved enough for a house let's have kids and then burnt outrage guy text was that the dip so that was his meme in text form and then they all came back i want you to put the word out there that images are back from bitblowsghost and we had this one with the really fun raccoon raccoon me celebrating that i can post images again this is what you choose to start with okay and then this was my favorite
seen the raccoon before
you haven't seen the raccoon oh the raccoon's everywhere
oh that raccoon's apparently
you gotta go hang out memes more and this was from johnny as well nonlinear failed to upload image file size may be too large which i thought this was quite creative so you all probably remember a time when there were no images on firecaster because i do so it was like you know just going back to the olden days that's why
wait i literally don't i remember no video
remember no video there was a time there
was no other person no images and i know i was here for it but
yeah you just forgotten you were definitely here for it there was no images for a little bit there it's like
how i don't have like you don't have memories when you're 4 years old like you remember one thing it's like my brain wasn't developed back in
the beginning you only remember the pictures of the things that happened exactly did it change your behavior at all not having images that you were able to post or did it look like make a difference that much to you either one of you i'm just curious
i'll i'll go i'll go first so that combined with the notification updates so the the notifications have changed where they're kinda showing priority and hiding things you're not getting the the little red dot every time you get a like mhmm so i said the the the algorithm change to the dopamine casino might might mean i'm not coming back to check i was also playing with shiny new object airchat over the weekend so uh-huh and i was also traveling and i was away with my daughter for the weekend so my behavior was changed over the weekend is it because i couldn't post images probably not
probably not yeah airchat was interest has been interesting i i of course you know i had it had my interest for a good 24 hours and now i've waned and july i saw you on there as well but i don't think you've have you actually put any voice messages on air chat yet
yeah i did i was oh i did k curious to to play around with it and i i think i i posted something i almost said casted and i posted something on there
thing
yeah i did i was curious about it as well and i tried it out mostly just read a poem
oh i have to go back in because i literally posted in our discord adrianne and i have a discord where we share links and stuff for the show and i put i saw your your you were in there and it went waiting because there was nothing underneath yet like waiting waiting what's he gonna say first
you know yeah i'm not really i haven't spent too much time on air chat either to to say this or that i don't think my behavior also changes too much with images
you're pretty text based anyways it seems like you're usual you're usually doing a lot of writing in casts and not really i'm not seeing a ton of images from you generally speaking anyway so although this one was yours so i i did use it as my background
you're welcome
yep i was trying to pull a good one for the background so any i i think you know i think there was a lot of folks who were thrown off by images images not being available like really thrown off and especially in the memes and reply guy channels they did not know what to do do with themselves but i think it was kind of you know it didn't it didn't impact me too much occasionally it was like oh that's right i can't share that yet but mostly i i would just share links to our mints and that worked just fine so it would show the image within the frame so that was that worked fine
maybe it was a planned outage that forces you to go mint things and share the mint link
so we're gonna blame zora it's all zora jacob it's it's a it's a conspiracy theory now we have a conspiracy theory
that's a conspiracy if it's true
don't start this is
how it starts
this is how it starts here's how we start
i'm gian barcaster for all your fake news
all your fake news we've got a bunch of other things for tomorrow that we'll be sharing because we will be back on tomorrow morning so i'm gonna save the rest for then and i wanna focus on our guest today because there's a lot to talk about and so july let's start with can you give a little bit of your background and then i wanna dive into faust because that is really fascinating to me so tell us a little bit about like how did you end up in crypto what did you do before and and what are you doing now or are you even in crypto you're really are you how did you end up on broadcaster i guess is my question yeah
yeah so my background is originally more in robotics i've worked on autonomous vehicles and autonomous self driving cars and a few other things was at kitty hawk building flying cars with larry page for about half a decade
that was till about i think yeah i think we had it was at kitty hawk which had a lot of different projects different vehicles at the time
yeah i came much more from this sort of robotics background how i got into crypto i've just had interest in things that are new given more from
well obviously if you have an interest in flying cars your cars you're definitely interested in things that are new yeah so amazing
you know whatever the the sort of interesting new features that might be those are something that was always of interest to me distributed systems and more interest in cryptography led me more towards crypto i had friends mining bitcoin probably back in 2012 or 2013 i just didn't quite it didn't quite click for me i think when ethereum came along and i read the paper for sort of more world computer and distributed system that was really difficult to take down sort of said oh it's like you can actually run computation on it and started to click yeah over time just relatively sold on the the sort of oh this is probably gonna be a thing and it's gonna last for a long time
i just don't know when it's gonna happen so just kind of stuck around but was been mostly in in sort of robotics and yeah i think thinking of it more as this is sort of this like new market that's gonna open up and be an opportunity to do something in and so just been kept keeping an eye on it
yeah i could probably talk about kitty hawk the
rest of the show if that's what you want as well there's sort
of a lot of interesting
back there we did over i think 25,000 flights bunch of them were were crude with people as well i flew a bunch myself the can we
talk about that yeah i think we need
to pause the show a moment know i guess yeah
like what's it like to fly i
don't meet my car yeah i just don't meet that many people who have said they've flown a car
you are literally george jetson sitting in front of us and this is fascinating to me yeah what is that one
of the main
how is it different from a plane like how is it different from a small you know what's the difference there
the the one of the main differences is that i mean it you know i think there there are a bunch of different vehicles at kitty hawk i was part of a program called flyer the program specifically that how to sort of think of it almost like a very very large if you google kitty hawk flyer you'll get some search results the and there there's pictures and videos as well the sort of like a very large drone with a person in it there were specific ways that build building an an aircraft is there's a lot of different ways to go about it and there are sort of much much longer ways to get certification and there are shorter ways to make more kind of experimental aircraft i think we went the very very experimental route in can we build and iterate and ship an aircraft relatively quickly the other sort of longer route is getting sort of certification there's a program called d l 178 c that you get certified to kind of create and then get a vehicle and test it and it's a much longer process so can you do something relatively quick and that was kind of the the thesis i think
so i know it wrapped up and didn't didn't move forward what do you think the likelihood is that we'll see actual you know commercial flying cars like something that we can go to a dealer and buy ourselves in our live times
yeah i think it'll happen i think well yes and no i don't think
okay
it will happen in the way that we think it'll happen but i think it'll happen i think yeah maybe more i don't think people will go and buy their flying cars maybe but i think there will be services that are available
you
know akin to waymo perhaps that allow for different versions of it urban air mobility is a market that i think is still going to take some time to grow as well so we'll see definitely possible it's it's some of it's not just a technology problem i think it's a business and politics problem
oh that's interesting
even yeah but just even things like autonomous driving which is a lot more skeuomorphic to what we know which is you know driving is largely politics and kind of social problems so i can't even imagine like you have to get the physics of flying cars but then to think about adoption of like oh this is in your life and you can use it seems like massive endeavor
you look at something like general magic from the eighties and it's not that building an iphone wasn't possible in the 19 eighties it just didn't make economic sense to do so and i think a lot of it today comes down more to doesn't really make economic sense to build a not very capable vehicle that can ferry people across sort of short distances because we don't have power density and batteries plus the cost of building you know there there's sort of no business model that quite makes sense so i don't think it's an issue yeah it's more of a market issue technology's slightly of an issue but you know these are things that will just improve and we'll get there so i i almost have no doubt that it'll happen it's just more a matter of time
reminds me of like some of the urban areas that have the helipads and and things like that it seems like it could be similar to that but maybe used it depending on and i have no idea what the cost is on that but it seems like it could be something that eventually could be cost efficient and used in that way where you're going across something like new york where you're trying to get from one side to the other that could take forever you know on a busy in a busy moment and just you know skipping over but it sounds like it probably is in our at least in my lifetime maybe not in yours is gonna be a luxury if it happens it'll be a very high end luxury type of thing i would think
so i think that was the initial you know you nailed the head on i think some of the initial use cases that we went after
yeah
luxury market ferrying people across areas that don't make sense to build infrastructure we're we're definitely considerations and yeah there's different types of vehicles as well that are autonomous and you can fly with so shorter distance vehicles that are more drone like versus fixed wing aircraft have more aerodynamics on your side so you get more fuel efficiency or you get longer battery life essentially they're all electric power well these ones were all electric powered so you could also get a hybrid engine that will last you a lot longer but it starts to use gas or it uses to use gasoline so that adds another element
oh what power yes
what what
was the kiddie hawk was the kind of thesis was hey we're gonna use electric can we do this with electric only and that simplified things but also made it a lot harder
wait wait limit what was the weight limit
oh good question
the for the flyer program i think it's £250 if you're under £250 you qualify for ultralight aircraft and if you have ultralight aircraft you don't need certification and it's like experimental aircraft technically so if you look up ultralight aircraft you'll see the kind of vehicles that it's it's like the type of vehicles with the most number of accidents
fascinating also not a good thing not good for branding at all the marketing it's
it's yeah
you're probably gonna die but it's gonna be really fun
did you guys see 3 body problem
yes yeah have you
i have read the book but i haven't i haven't watched the the the show yet
okay i read the book and i can't remember if this what you didn't know it was
a book i didn't even know it was a book that's this is perfect actually this is perfect triangle right here only read the book only saw the movie read the book saw the you know saw the show
but i forget the book and i don't wanna give away spoilers for the show and i can't remember but i'll say this to professor because you know there was like the the one consideration of what gets set into space in towards the later episodes of like really making sure you're optimizing for weight and most gorillas watch
the show and also yeah and also you may not you're not coming back yeah it's official if you come back i'm coming back in here in regular form that's for sure yeah
this is such an interesting conversation because i talking to you july i'm getting the sense that you hang out with people who also recognize that flying cars exist so for the rest of the world we had we have no idea it's possible we think it's a physics problem we think like we're told it's kind of a it's it's not gonna happen because it can't happen and you know we've all heard the you know the saying we were promised flying cards cars and all we got were a 180 characters and i'm sure you get that all the time what's a and we're talking to someone who's flown in a car
there you go but where's my yes it's
sort of like
it's i think it's terrifying in some ways i think it's initially terrifying because you don't know what to expect and then i think the second part is it's terrifying or at least our vehicle was terrifying in the sense that you just get so used to it so quickly it's like operating a jet ski or something and you don't realize
really that's interesting
how
so why would that be terrifying i would think that would be exhilarating
maybe we just you know knew how duct tape the code was so it's you're flying in this thing and it's so smooth and well no i wouldn't say it's just duct tape but you know it's sort of like this is just a bunch of code
wild you
know what goes into it
we do have to see
how the sausage is made
yeah exactly i think it's fine you don't wanna make it too
much sense
but you wanna shift a little bit to what your your new project is though which is kind of related to this and i'd love for you to tell us about rock and what is rock and what you're working now because that is fascinating as well and that's kind of bringing together your background with everything that's happening currently in technology
yeah i think you know fundamentally
i see faust as a robotics company we're we're primarily i think 80 to 9 you know 80 ish 90 ish percent of the team is most of the team is ex kitty hawk sort of my former colleagues ex tesla ex apple spg the special projects group the self driving car program so yeah we're mostly based in sf bay area and yeah i mean just from the team makeup and kind of what we're sort of long term focused on i'd i'd say we're we're robotics focused again kind of coming at it from this perspective that we think it's an interesting opportunity to build for an interesting new market in crypto and starting in that way that allows us to you know sort of what can we do when yeah we start with crypto and i think there's a lot of interesting things that if anything hardware companies and folks that wanna build new kinds of hardware are just sort of think that it's a smaller market and and sort of not worth pursuing and we think it's worth pursuing and building real things in and so sort of in a way that allows us to to start there so that's that's kind of the the sort of background but yeah we're building rock rock is gonna be sort of our first device again we kind of left it a little bit vague i think here we we do have more already sort of planned and and if anything we're we're working on more than kind of meets the eye but fundamentally it's you know we we think of it as a way that we can use to notarize sort of reality the use case being that folks that are building on evm compatible platforms are don't wanna build their own hardware and you know have a difficult time being able to do stuff in the real world today that use sort of sensors and we can provide a way to close that gap between sort of the real world and and what they're doing already on chain and there's an opportunity to sort of start there but yeah fundamentally in the sort of long run we we sort of see more of a future where we're building more and more robotics because that's honestly where we're coming from so in a way don't know how to describe it other than sort of thinking of rock more as a as a robot head that we can kind of start off of that we're adding it's you know it has cameras and it has things but really to be able to to sort of do more things autonomously is is kind of what we were thinking in the long run
i love the much
farther in the
long run framing of notarizing reality i think that you know we've heard attestations before which is very different from you know what you're talking about but i haven't heard it put in the terms of notarizing and i think i think my legal brain found that very interesting so that's my background so it was just kinda oh that's hadn't thought about it like that can you give an example of how this might work or how it will work and so we kinda have an idea of a use case for this
yeah i think the the first thing is
how what are the things you know what's different from maybe maybe one way to explain this or what's different from saying making like a attestation already you know kind of using eas like you're doing attestation service or or sort of other things the difference is this is more sort of taking in you know we're building the hardware that allows for people to be able to make the proof more on the hardware side so it kind of sits more on the actual device and so when you're taking in sensor data we can kind of create proofs or we can allow software developers to create proofs for their programs so we kind of provide the the infrastructure to do that and make those attestations your sensor attestations locally and then you can send those attestations to some location right now you know we one of the things is we're using phones and computers as interfaces for everything that's sort of in web 3 and there's no sort of alternative way to start putting in information into the there's no hardware designed for sort of the on chain world and so what we see is if we could kind of provide those it starts to unlock in use cases
is that and if i'm understanding july and tell me if i'm completely off base here but
yep
even with farcaster and with my messages being signed when you get a cast from me and it's cryptographically signed you know it's authentically coming from me but if i post a video there's really no way to authorize that that video was actually happened so i can take a deep fake yes it's me it's authentic that i did it but the video itself can't be or an image can't be authentic but if it's coming from the hardware of if i snap a photo and send it through then it's kind of
validating the authenticity of the actual photo
yeah you know i think of it as like you could technically make a deep fake proof photo machine that's rock that this this is the only machine in the world that can take photos on this specific broadcaster account i think that's that's possible in the longer run when we have other sensors like gps it'll be possible to notarize not only the the photo but also the location data and again there's there's sort of i would i would argue with something like foam space the the folks over there foam space you know they're working on a really cool problem where you know you're really trying to prove that you're somewhere specific and you you you're proving it without gnss or gps for for us we think of it as we don't you know our our gps might be spoofed you know 0.001% of the time but we're just really kind of notarizing that gps if it spoofed it spoofed we're not gonna be able to prove that that's okay but it's sort of notarizing that sensor data alongside it
that's really
so interesting like i'll aleph's trip to kenya to verify a goat bringing it back to forecaster memes
yep that would have been a perfect use case that would have been a perfect use case
everyone said we don't believe boats so then he gets sent on a plane and now no one believes him
then he would there's like a whole bunch we were talking about that we were like should i go to kenya and make sure that he's there with the goat like oh my god it was really funny and it was but this would solve that completely
yeah
or and and or the whole the whole discussion of the moon landing you know there's there's a ton of conspiracy theory around the moon landing whether or not it actually happened and blah blah blah blah so this there you go like this would you know set it up in space and say yep mhmm i'm here here i am yeah i mean you need a you need a
sort of other proofs other infrastructure that you trust you know so for example if it's like gps you'd have to trust gnss the global navigation satellite system and then gnss is different in each country so if you are taking proofs in say like russia it's a little bit more difficult to prove that you're this is you know there there's sort of an area around
certain areas in russia where you know gps turns off as well so it's harder to say exactly and you know again but these are sort of edge cases most of the time in in most areas gps is gonna get me most of the way there and we do use it for even navigating vehicles if combined with inertial navigation system gps does pretty good like centimeter accuracy
really you
can actually navigate vehicles with it yeah so
really interesting there's a lot of talk i hear a lot of folks say that hardware like hardware is the hardest thing to to jump into and i so do you ever have any concerns in that like i think you even mentioned before when we talked that you're like i said i'd never do hardware so what yeah what keeps bringing you back to hardware and how is it how do you find that comparable to doing something else like you know just focusing strictly on software and things like that
yeah i think hardware is is definitely a longer timeline compared to software the speed at which you can navigate with software generally speaking
unless you're sort of training models and doing sort of more ai things that takes a little longer for sure
but i think hardware in general it's a lot of moving parts i would say it's multidisciplinary in the sense that depending on if you're doing sort of robotics it's mechanical engineering it's electrical engineering it's systems engineering it's software engineering it's embedded systems it's robotic software robotic software embedded systems and software like general software engineering are all sort of different things yeah there's sort of a lot of people and a lot of things that need to come together in order to get things done and if if anything i've i've also been a part of a lot of different teams that have built hardware and i think if anything one of the ways that i think you know faust is doing things differently is we're we're sort of starting kinda piecemeal and and growing the the sort of complexity as we move forward and trying to sort of ship the hardware cycles as fast as we can obviously but you know one of the ways to do it is to sort of build the whole robot first and ship that but that takes sort of potentially years and much longer you know again if it's sort of a more industrial setting it's it's possible to kind of build things that are going to be usable quickly but you know we we almost thought of this can we do sort of smaller pieces and and kind of build on that instead of trying to do everything all at once so we're trying to take a little bit of a different approach
adrian that looked like you had a question i saw you writing things down i'm i'm i'm yeah
i have an answer amy
shifting it to you
we're ultimately open to book a book
i'll tell you what i wrote down i don't have questions i saw you making notes yeah well it's just it's you're we're starting to see some really good hardware companies and i think it's funny because it's yeah inherently you can't do hardware like you do software but i think some of these companies are trying to kind of take that software approach yep as as much as possible no this is what i wrote down in quotes i said i'd never do hardware again see a great quote by a hardware founder i've gotta
yeah and i also it's funny it's and i've heard that from so many like i've i've heard that like floating around at different different folks saying similar things too so i think it's really interesting that you kinda still end up back there because obviously that's gotta be somewhere in your passion or in your dna or something that keeps driving you back to
to that i i think like physically moving things are just of you know robotics in general and hardware in general is something that i'm just really excited and interested in doing
and also you know i i think one of the things that you know one of those sort of different paths that we're taking is i also think you know crypto is just gonna be in this another technology that's available for people that unlocks new things and the intersection of that is not something that you see you don't see a lot of robotics people kind of thinking oh you know crypto is the path forward or is this sort of market that we can start with and you also don't see a lot of crypto people kind of naturally having a ton of experience building robotics and i think our team does so that i think that's one of our sort of unique paths that we're choosing to take even though it kinda looks weird now for for sort of some people that are maybe not in not familiar with with with crypto we kinda think of it as a as a excite is a place that they think there's opportunity
i love this michelin dot eth is in our chat and said drops the quote i don't invest in founders who are thinking about the future but founders who are already living in the future and i think that's like perfect description of you really between flying cars and robots and and and blockchain all coming together it's pretty cool
yeah there's good good comments in the chat today
yeah oh yeah the chat's like popping off by the way the chat also said this was my favorite so true to be honest we love our hosts but the chat is always fire in other words you know they're just here for the chat we're just we're just you know we're just window dressing
so yeah has raffy raffy g in the chat small little rocks gossiping about the state of reality is even more epic than flying cars
there's the future
yeah there's the future i do have a few other questions that are unrelated to rock so before i move forward adrienne anything else on this topic before i dive into july on farcaster if you will
no i'd love to go to july on farcaster okay
sure because that's a whole other thing so i'm gonna start with this meme because i think it sums it up perfectly july is like memes but niche elaborate on that no i thought that was just absolute perfection and i wanna dive into this a little bit 2 things i've been thinking about i'm the youngest that i'll ever be today my entire life reducing yourself to narratives alone and you will become softest i feel like every time i read one of your casts i need an hour to like do some research and then think about it so like you're a very deep thinker so what that second part what do you what did you mean by that so that i don't have to spend as much time researching like what was the what was the and what got you thinking about this i guess is my other another question
yeah so i i think
the path that i got there was primarily because i was thinking about
yeah like build building things you know of course i i think there's a sort of inherent relationship between you know your your strategy is only as good as the communication that that you can sort of bring to the table so if you can't communicate your intent or if you can't communicate what you're trying to do in some way it's it's difficult to
you
know like like you might you you might have a really great plan but it might not even you know there's no sort of point in any of the plan or what you're doing to to if you're not able to explain it but also just being able to explain it and explaining that you have a great plan for example is not
you know a a precursor to or you know just a plan alone like saying that you have this sort of a path for you know being you can kind of be a charlatan it's it's actually quite easy in a way and just kind of reminded me of of sophists and sophistry and and sort of classical antiquity you know mostly during the sort of socrates time when oration was the primarily primary way to communicate ideas so people would train themselves in in the art of oration and what you know what is oration oration is a way to convince people of certain you know using rhetoric to using certain ways to convince a large audience of ideas even if and again the softest would be accused rightly so sometimes of just being you know this is like it's like learning how to be a charlatan learning how to be just doing sales almost but so that alone almost kind of puts you in the softest bucket and if you know the the so what is the other side
okay super interesting there's something else that you posted this was actually a few couple weeks ago but it yeah caught my attention also that i'd love to dive into a little bit if you live indefinitely you'll eventually reach the heat death of the universe in order to live beyond that we will have to transgress the known existing universe perhaps that will happen between now and the end of this all 2 friendships last a lifetime 3 the act of creation lasts forever in that moment and then you had this was sort of taking off on how long will things last website software human made objects digital data geo geo geological evolution of species evolution of planet evolution of solar system galactic death of sun heat death of universe so that's a lot but i thought this the act of creation lasts forever in that moment that to me was like what really jumped out
what does that mean to you like what what did what was the thinking behind that particular statement cause that to me just was like that made me think it took me a minute that was one of those i'm gonna need an hour just to digest this i think i think
i wanna preface this with why why i was thinking that to begin with i think i was just thinking about like a lot of you know there there's been popularity in like longevity and people throw around this idea that hey we're gonna live forever and it's like i don't think we understand what that means like we we kind of toss it in the same way that we toss around oh everyone's gonna buy this but like we don't really know what everyone means
mhmm and so what does that mean brian johnson there's a little like pushback there on the longevity movement okay interesting i i
don't think it's a pushback necessarily but just what is that meaning like what is so if you wanna live forever what is how long is that gonna be is that so what if you live till the end of the heat death of the universe are you gonna you know is forever supposed to be longer than that or is is it like does it end there
how long is do you even wanna live like you know so so to me it just was more of if if anything was more of a i just started thinking about what that actually forever means and kind of started thinking about are there places that we in some ways can live forever without having to live forever already and started thinking about how yeah there's different ways to create things you know for example if you who knows how long you know certain works of art will last but still you know for example vincent van gogh paintings have lasted way beyond his lifetime and we can still still continue to just sort of enjoy them and celebrate them and most likely they'll they'll last at least another 100 years so just this idea that 100 of years these things are lasting much longer than us so these things that people do in the moment they still kind of last for much much longer time than you know of course they're gonna deteriorate you know and and kind of become
just bunch of crumbling rocks and crumbling paint but are there ways that last much longer than us and sort of started thinking about that so don't pretend to have the answer just just thoughts
i think it's interesting that so many who are considered techno optimists are also deep studiers of history i think there's some kind of connection there and i think that's important because it's you know that saying of you know if we don't learn from history we're doomed to repeat it kind of thing but also you can learn so much and then and also see recognize those patterns and and how that goes but okay that's a little different from what we were just talking about but i've thought about that too of like do i wanna live forever i have no desire to do that like at all but i also find it very interesting of like when you mentioned van gogh that during his life wasn't celebrated and didn't live to see that appreciation of his work but yet it outlives him and and lives on so yeah those are those those things that we create that are going to outlast us so in other words adrienne gm farcaster in some kind of time capsule going to space somewhere there we go maybe this episode on the blockchain forever
reminded of a quote there's a quote that i pulled from my parents' house like i took a picture of it i keep casting it like every i don't know few months or so but it was just about getting lost in the act of creation
and it
was kind of like create for the sake of creating and getting lost in it and i think when we focus on kind of on the creative and and and put your energies there and kind of divorce from the output is a really freeing place to be so i kinda tie those i don't know if that's where you were getting at with with the third point of that feeling of creation lasting forever but
yeah i i think i think i
i almost kinda think of it also as a way for you know you you can kind of make something and and in some way if it's not not necessarily appreciated but interaction interacted with it's not really it kinda reminds me of the it's that movie that
coco the the pixar movie
oh
i believe you saw it right but it's sort of like if you if people don't remember you after you've passed away that's when you sort of die the 2nd time the first time you die is when you physically die and the second time you die is when no one remembers you anymore essentially
and coco has a focus around day of the dead and and that sort of that whole tradition and yeah
big fan of pixar movies
by the way i think they're just amazing
the whole process of like the how how a lot of the pixar movies especially the early movies were made are it's like really is a huge testament to collective group creation of something that's like really well made i think they're they're sort of obsessed with how to make really great movies and it takes a long time to make really great things and i think that's you know or at least the that path that there's sort of what they've committed to so yeah
total side note there's a noun's movie that's coming out and a lot of the artists that are working on it used to work at pixar so it's it's 3 d what's it 3 d pixel guy or 3 d i forgot what his name is 3 d guy something like that and he's he's one of the artists on there and you can see some of his mini you know small little shorts that he's done you you could you feel the pixar vibes in it and it's really just amazing to see and they're doing it more from a collective perspective rather than the studio perspective and having it put more in the artist's hands so it's gonna be interesting to see how that all plays out in my mind in terms of like where we're going with different blockchain connections to that in the way in which we're doing creation more in the hands of the creator rather than in the hands of a producer who's sort of directing that ask those aspects but
when does that movie come out ross
i don't know it's next the next part of it should be coming out soon remember the movie the the 4334 the one for the that dropped yeah that's same same group of artists did that one as well that was really fun yeah so total side note sorry
i got right so easy
i have to throw nouns in there every once in a while you know can't help myself
it's not an episode without a noun drop
we nound drop
but i think it's like easy to make a tiktok hard to make these long films that really you know feel however but even like the the best films that we're seeing today are forgotten in generations
interesting so yeah very few
very stay
on the test of time and my favorite movie is from 19 i don't know 41 something like that so you know some of them do some of them some of them do yeah
i think the sometimes the the some of the best kind of content is not independent of the time in which it's created so i think a lot of really great films or maybe it's also just the kind of how this works but some of the best films i think were made in the sort of you know between the thirties seventies partially because that's when sort of film was starting to become and reach you know i i think technologies and and sort of the medium if the sort of you know the the marshall mcluhan medium is the message the the the there's sort of seasons to the mediums as well so there's sort of like a spring and and a summer and autumn and and and a winter to them and i think we're kind of in the the autumn of movies as sort of the certain sort of format of 2 hours and you know it used to be sort of like there was a constraint we had to work with a constraint now it's sort of this like infinite digital format and that's that's kind of changed the way that content was created so it's we can't go back to this way that medium con you know this this sort of at a time when it was you know all you could do you know it was sort of pushing the boundaries of like human capacity to build 2 hour films
yeah casablanca today would be a whole like 10 part miniseries easily on netflix it wouldn't be it wouldn't be what it
is different yep
exactly yeah totally different and i wonder how that would change the i don't know some of the some of the things that are so great about it so but telling a story in a very different in a different way where it almost feels like you're living those you know whatever it was 48 hours or whatever that you know time period you know very quickly whereas that would be dragged out over you know numerous episodes so it's yeah very different storytelling i don't know if it's i think there's good and bad to that you mentioned something else in there the me the you know the media the media is the message which you got me down that rabbit hole again which i hadn't read that since i was in college because you were reading something recently around that i can't remember what the name of the book was that you were reading though
i think his medium is the message yeah
was it that
it was the essay yeah
i thought you were reading a book though related to it was the same same author but
oh the the television book
yeah yeah that's what it was
that's also fascinating by the way american broadcasters
that's what it was yeah yeah that's what it was the history behind yeah we need to dive into that more like that's to me is really right now because of what we're doing college i'm thinking about you know what we're doing right now and i didn't you know this trajectory has been fairly recent so thinking about what's changing about media and the way in which we communicate in the time of blockchain and also again putting things directly in creators' hands more than we've ever had and where it's not being controlled by sort of a studio boss or or a you know a network ceo so it's kind of interesting to to look back at that writing and see how prevalent and how relevant it is actually relevant today more so than it even was when he wrote it back in the sixties and was talking about it in the seventies eighties so really interesting yeah you need to go read that adrianne that was it in re in for me it was reliving it but it's been a long time been like 30 years since i read it so yeah but it was really it's really relevant to all of that today for sure it's so yeah very interesting what were you gonna say adrienne sorry i thought you said
i wasn't gonna say anything i will i will read that i finally finished i finally finished read write own on the plane yesterday
oh good
and have a million other things just about on chain media that i wanna talk to you about someday
how have you read read bright own july
i have not it's in my list of books
yeah i'd like to read it at some point i also
i'd love to get your takes on it too i think that would be really i'd love to hear your takes on that i think the basic part of it which is really i was thinking about this today the computer versus the casino sort of that basic thought premise today we're talking about the computer last tuesday we were with the asec and it was all about the casino but not really like there was a little bit computer in there too but it was kinda interesting to go with the the d gen into to this and it leads me to something else that you just cars no we do it all we do it all let me see if i can find it now you were talking about spam
are we coming up on time soon
oh we're still coming up with a budget we got a budget past 21 minutes oh for god's sakes yes i knew we were going to i'm keeping them as long as we can so this is something you posted recently and i think this is very relevant to you what we were just talking about one person's spam can easily be another person's favorite content on the internet the more people join any network the more this becomes the case early on it's easy to say what is spam and what is not spam but as the network grows it's more murky it's a lot more murky spam is not objective as one would like it to be and that to me is just like maybe this is a great place to kinda bring us full circle back to farcaster and sort of what is going on with the network there right now and sort of those adjustments that are being made and what we were talking about you know as we started the show talking about dan you know looking at okay here's where we we've grown you know an insane amount in a very short period of time how do you start to scale for that adjust for that the sort of the growing pains of all that and sort of what how so when i go into the july channel it's like a whole different freaking world than if you go to the d gen channel or the memes channel or the reply guys or you know very different feel and it has a much more thoughtful so for those who maybe haven't spent any time there and if you're feeling overwhelmed by sort of the s the casino ish aspects of crypto go hang out in there for a while whole different vibe so when you think about spam for you like what what is something that you don't wanna see on your timeline and or how are you dealing with that and then like what is your thinking along those the line if you wanna expand a little bit on that post that cast that you had mentioned spam in it
like i guess what is spam to to me is is that more yeah
let's start there like what what do you not wanna see on your timeline i
mean i think like
like going back to that thinking i don't i don't
think there's anything specific that i don't wanna see i guess you know maybe i i just don't wanna see the
i don't wanna see just i don't wanna see the same thing over and over again like i think that's more spam to me yeah if it's sort of different things it's more interesting if it's the same thing over and over you know if it's just a wall of just gm's like i don't you know if it's only that it's gonna feel spammy even if it's from people that i know so it's not some specific content that is going to bother me particularly but yeah i also sometimes i go in and i don't even for a while i think i didn't even read the home
feed
i would just kind of like cast and sort of respond to things and and sort of just leave so i don't think i treated in a
yeah i don't know what i don't know what other people do but that's the way that i use it sometimes i don't even read through all the other all the other cats although i do my best to sort of like like ones that i see or go into specific people's profiles and just kind of like some stuff
yeah it's interesting how you adjust your you know i for me i should say i would i adjust the way i approach warpcast depending on what's happening within you know the regular feed if it's just a little too overwhelming i'm like okay i'm just gonna start with i start with my notifications i go through that and then i start like digging into certain channels and see what's going on and that's sort of been the adjustment since channels became more popular i'd say or or launched adrianne i know we're we're coming up on time i wanna make sure i leave a few minutes for your fun usual questions so i'm throwing it to you yeah
all right
so joel do i we get them with the lightning round here we go yeah
we just do lightning round don't overthink it
but
before i do do you know what the bot or not says about you your account
no no
okay i want it's horrible and it's wrong it has a horrible assess like i've been using bot or anything
i'm a bot
it's it says it's incredible and i was like so curious i'm like i bet it's gonna say something like you know the biggest gigabrain genius thoughtful philosopher on farcaster and it and it has you as a bot or low effort caster platitude hyperbole that's so funny
that's fantastic
that's so funny yeah
and not a bot not a bot anyway
not a bot amazing do you
ever say nose alright let's let's go do you ever say bro irl
yep
uh-oh absolutely
not a bot not a bot also and i don't know if you saw this we can talk about this on tomorrow's show but there's a new channel called bromero because
i saw that
dan romero doesn't i pulled many links for tomorrow
on that dan romero thinks it's a red flag if you say bro irl
yeah
okay what what who's like who is the first friend you made online or what was your first kind of internet friend that you made that you've made in life
internet friend online wow my favorite idea
question at first
and i have to ask because we're on a social network and so we meet our friends online we all meet on farcaster so i'm curious what people's first kind of yeah internet connection was
we get a lot of yeah
cool yeah
what's your favorite farcaster channel
my favorite farcaster channel right now is storefronts oh
i don't even think i've been in that
i have to look that up what is your favorite now
just pictures of storefronts
that's it oh wow alright i have to go look at this
fucking love i love farcaster
love i didn't even know that existed
yep slow
boats my favorite channel is wooden boats just all
wooden boats is great yeah trains is also great big fan of trains shout out you know n 64 jerry
i'm gonna go follow some of my new channels
yeah what's your favorite holiday
favorite holiday is probably thanksgiving
morning person or night owl
usually a night owl though morning person more recently
completionist or not
completionist
concert or sporting event
concert
frame or cast action
frames
kiwi skin
is this is this a picture of the frames hackathon
it is yes okay so
my background is uk yeah
yeah but my brother-in-law is in that picture
oh that's funny oh that's so funny yeah
i'm not gonna say who it is but definitely in that picture
it's somewhere back there
yeah
yeah this is the variant office the weekend frames were
the frame the frame for writing
it's like my favorite virtual background you have 7 minutes with a bright attentive 7th grader how do you spend your time
this came from i think it was a yes ticket thing
whatever it is that they wanna do
how do you find out what they wanna do
ask them what they're excited about doing
totally thought you were gonna make a robot with them kinda disappointed i'm kinda disappointed that you're not building a robot
what's your last 2 what's your biggest fear right now my
biggest fear is probably
dying not like the fear of death but just that i'll leave a lot of things incomplete
completionist
yeah
i might have to end it there but what's your favorite meme coin
my favorite meme coin is doge
classic alright
i think it's the origin of all meme coins
i have
a
email wallet somewhere from 2013 or 2014 that i don't have access to
oh no oh fuck with a bunch of those yeah oh no
thanks marissa
this has been amazing thank you so much for joining us this has been just an incredible chat and i have to say fig.eath who's in our chat said / july the july channel is my refuge from purple casino and i thought that was that was a perfect way to put that it is a nice little refuge so if you're if you need a if you need a break from the purple casino go ahead into slash july and it's not just you who are who's posting very thoughtful things as you go in there it's mostly other folks and it just is a whole different whole different vibe so thanks so much we will be back tomorrow morning because it's only tuesday and it feels like it's gotta be friday but it's not so we'll be back tomorrow 8:30 am est with our regular show with adrianne and we'll be talking all things i don't even know romero and such so we'll see you then and thank you again july we really it we'll see you at far con i believe so we'll see you next few weeks couple weeks
thank you so much for having me in see you irl
see you irl
than we think yeah
do we get to meet rock at irl yep tbd tbd alright that'll be interesting
he didn't say no
he didn't say no
he didn't say no
so maybe
alright awesome saying there's a chance
so you're saying there's a chance alright we'll see you we'll see you tomorrow thanks so
much for having me thank you
thank you thanks chatters thanks chatters bye bye bye