The Hub ep3 Tuesday November 12, 2024 with guest co-host @adrienne

gmgm and welcome to our third episode that's crazy already three episodes of the hub farcaster focused developer podcast i'm really excited to be joined here today with adrian gm adrian

i'm good how are you

nice we're here through everyone building at devcon or socializing we're here through the bull run just focused on developer news and content but what what an exciting time right now for sure

yeah i know i have one one of the notes i have is the picture of the venue where they're doing the farcaster meetup and it and it looks like a really cool spot so fomo ing right there with you for sure

i didn't no what

i didn't see that we're gonna have to show that today on the that's crazy

i'll still it yeah oh wow ted onboarding new users to farcaster hope that dude signs up that's pretty funny

wow that's crazy dang that's a good way to strike the show off nice i i did see like some other panels but this is that's pretty top notch just at the booth you see sam there in the background sam hubert

yes exactly very full circle there but yes as we mentioned super exciting week on farcaster and in crypto if you've been living under a rock just madness that's going on right now totally not related to anything else going on in the world whatsoever totally

exactly yeah yeah yeah dan locked something new and then you know mark markets go up that's that's how it goes around here but but one exciting thing that i did wanna start the show off which is very emblematic of the banner i made here is this cast from martin that went viral that's something crazy that happened this weekend where ethernet martin bot spoke to clanker from proxy studios i believe and made a token i believe multiple tokens actually and then dan ended up screenshotting this and the tweet for this went pretty viral and got like a quarter million views or something like that and we had saw before on either the last or the first show ethernet talking to different bots like using the payflow bot to pay people but this in particular is cool and you know people reacted to this people you know bought these tokens and so there is a a a a phenomenon there where i think at first people were thinking oh how can i just get my bot to do something on chain or interact with people on farcaster but if i'm not mistaken it seems like right now the meta might start to be how can i like really make make money off of this you know

i actually didn't because by the time i was looking at it they were shutting it down for for maintenance or or for tokens or whatever and i certainly don't think like the making money off of it has to be the main focus but that has seemed to be that and other bots talking to each other has seemed to be the two main like themes that i've seen either across my timeline or that people get excited about in group chats or like other farcaster apps

yeah i get it i get it i think one thing i keep asking myself though is like what's the what's the meta gonna evolve into with these bots and what are the bots that people are gonna start making that are added into their workflows like i guess bounty bot is actually one of the better examples in that it actually is serving this more concrete value and that if in your day or you know whenever you wanna set a bounty you go and use the bounty bot was someone gonna make a bot where the bot's returning something and it's like opening up a a mini app for example or is it doing something in another app for me like i'm i'm kinda just curious what direction it's taken in because it doesn't excite me too much to wanna sit back and make another bot that can just create a token or buy an nft although that's definitely cool

not of well i've built like non ai farcaster bots actually one that i built recently was with icebreaker i can show off because this is this is open source so let's let's find the cast from from dan really quickly and then i can show you yeah so basically icebreaker has this rec bot at rec and with a certain set of like white listed skills essentially you can do something like dan from icebreaker did here in the cast where he does at rec the name of the farcaster user that he wants to like give a recommendation or attestation to and then the skill that he wants to give them and then in the background the cast itself is being treated as an attestation not like an eas attestation and then it's being queued for on chain stamping with witness so on chain you can like verify this cast attestation that's one of the the bots i've built and i think it's like a particularly cool use case and then if anyone wants to take a look at it all the code is here open source i can i can put this in the show notes

but it's not a ai maybe maybe it's an ai current right you get this human skill that ai doesn't have but yeah

yeah it could be i think i also wonder you know is anyone gonna make a completely different app that just has ai fully built into it maybe that looks like you have a a chat like a you know tag gbt perplexity like chat that can ask barcaster stuff maybe it's going as far as ai is just understanding what you wanna do and then it's taking the command like in your in your wallet for example instead of the majority of it being interface driven you have some sort of chat or place to input text or with voice just be able to like say or add some background process of you know when moxie hits a certain price buy or sell it or go in like every time there's a new gm forecaster nft on zuora mint it for me or something like that maybe not for every example but i wonder if people are you know i i wanna see like new directions this can be taken in because especially with ai that's where things can get really different and different can you know lead to good stuff

we'll see we'll see cool so excited to continue that meta i think if anything even though some of the bots have been more similar like it's still very exciting and also all the new bots like i don't mean any similar in a bad way like every new bot is introducing new opportunities or showing some sort of new viral moment that's getting people more excited or making people wanna build more so i think that's all very like net positive

clanker is ai i think they're like all connect to claude or openai or or one of those tools

oh yeah i think i think so yeah we'll have to maybe if the proxy wants to join at some point that would that'd be pretty cool

oh okay

nice that'll be cool definitely listen in cool so the the next cast here is last week we had another farcaster developer call that we get to go over a little bit more one of the great and exciting things about this show as well is is getting to to to dive more into some of this stuff this one was a little bit of a shorter dev call but some really cool stuff and actually one thing in particular that i didn't really see coming so i'll just fully pop up the agenda so that i can show this here the thing i didn't see coming and is smart and i had actually been like this has been on my mind from after the dev dev day in la and i was even thinking for a while it would be really cool either as a tool i build or for someone to build into their app if channels could have some sort of fund or smart contract where the moderators of the channel could add money into the fund or you know followers could add money into the fund and then you create some unique invite link where the money from that fund is used to create like an invite directly into the channel i think this i don't know how they're actually like creating the invite i'll assume for now this is just using your works but i think this is a really really smart idea where let's say you you're at devcon for example you meet someone super interesting maybe they're not as much into crypto maybe they're just not into farcaster at all but you want them to be in your particular network you know you don't want them to just be lost in the void in the abyss of farcaster you can invite them into particular channels or maybe in the future you're inviting them just to one channel and there's a little more you can do to make them feel like they're a part of that community but the end goal here is you get some sort of qr code or single use invite code where the user has an account and they're directly teleported into the world of that channel which is i think like a really smart way to to get people into that community

yeah so really slick like more web web two claiming invite as well which i like

so yeah this this is cool this got me really excited i wasn't expecting for it to happen this quickly you know i feel like sometimes you expect that the dev call like the priorities or progress is just kind of rolling off of what happened the last week or the last call but then sometimes if something new like this which you didn't fully anticipate gets thrown your way and yeah this is just very cool for me to see because this is something i've been thinking about for a bit and i'm sure that when this rolls out there are gonna be a lot of people especially community builders people going to in real life events who are gonna take a really good use of this like farcaster fridays we're like any any sort of meetups in particular i think are like a really really great use case for this feeds as well so the the way they've been structuring these dev calls which i like is it's it's listing the top priorities from farcaster and then kinda going up the or or down the list from the top priorities down and and showing the progress so it's great because as i was saying you get the linear progress but also it's a very clear snapshot of even if you're not focused on what happened on the last calls you can just look at this document and say hey like this is what merkle or warpcast is focused on and as developer that sort of transparency is very cool feeds there continuing to run ab tests i don't think there is anything crazy although i do wonder as well like sometimes this is just like a little developer thing like if you see on the feed here dan is saying where is he saying it if you're at devcon reply to this task and sure part of it is like oh okay it's great because the people who are going to devcon can can just look at this cast and see all the other people who are going i do think in my mind this could be some like feed a b stuff where they can use the data from certain cast like this to analyze and then better train the feed like in the past definitely this summer i think dan was like doing some of these related cast where he's like if you're interested in x y z reply to this cast so i wonder inadvertently if any of that's happening but either way if i'm not over reading it or if i am over reading it like just look at the cast and go find your friend at devcon and touch grass and

i don't know i mean i don't think it's a bad motive i'm just kinda just curious you know

to he

everything's got a reason or sometimes we like to think so at least exactly alright well back to the back to the list so nothing crazy with feeds although maybe my super crazy suspicion there is somewhat true and and who knows what that contributes to for transactions sorry

so it's every other thursday so the next one will be next thursday at one eastern ten pacific and i can i can share the links but it's pretty easy to access

sure so

i mean somewhat i think for me it's more so like interesting to see what they're doing and sometimes it matters more than not or maybe like let's say you're building a client and they're focusing on a problem you're also trying to solve you might like pay more attention to that or reach out to them and say hey you're ab testing your feed i may be testing my my feed as well it's also the way i view it is there may be some folks who aren't they're not developers or they're not looking to get on the call and then go and build an app but this is their portal to hear what is going on under the hood at merkle and so let's say that you're like a community builder and you're saying oh well there's a issue with my feed or whatever then this kinda update is like the public way for you to see any sort like this or dan's casks really are the two only ways because like the warp cast code and everything is is closed source which is obviously fine but but they're not necessarily so yeah they're not they're not breaking it down into like warp cast versus far caster i feel like per topic the people on the call can get oh like if there's a channel invite like if they're showing a channel invite screen that's warpcast however like when they show a screen like this obviously there's so many people in the zoom chat who are like when's this getting decentralized like when can other clients use this you know all all those questions yeah

take care and yeah and then i think some of it like maybe the feeds they wouldn't have included in the past but now they're doing a better job of like all the since the the dev day all the calls are structured by their priorities like normally every week they would just like make a new list or you know fork last weeks and add on to it but now it's like structured by priorities so i think with feeds as well maybe this is their way of saying like you know we're we're leaving this up there as the progress update and to keep it in like the ranked lists of you know growth for channels feeds and transactions are still the number one priority and but there's just like not a big there's not a big update but we're just leaving it up there sort of thing yeah but yeah there there wasn't anything crazy there or for transactions as well i think they're continuing to they were just continuing to finish like the app frame spec which they did finish and that's another or actually that that's related so we can just show that now so the app frames would be here we go

great and if you are building an app frame you should reach out to tony at datadad on farcaster who has been working on this spec with others but if you don't know what an app frame is or haven't seen some of the specs it's kind of the evolution of where frames and mini app have been going so that there are better performance so the app frame like the actual frame itself or sorry the the actual mini app itself like the iframe experience data is coming back from it on the first load of the frame so that when you open that iframe or app whatever it's a lot faster you have a lot more apis you can use so that the app can go and do something in work cast so for example an app can it can open an external url in a web browser it can open a farcaster url so a cast a profile a channel it can open the cast composer it can prompt the user to join or invite someone to a channel it can close the app frame it can hide the splash screen and now it can trigger a transaction fully with like the logme vm instance under the hood so you just get the user's connected wallet so a lot of good surface area already to do stuff and i think the idea here is that you see a frame it opens up the app the whole experience there is faster richer and then when you get back the frame has some sort of local state or variable so that the button can be updated to reflect that you've actually interacted with the frame so like an example here i guess this is the main screenshot they have but the example here would be you know you click yoink you play the yoink game you can even have a transaction pop up or like invite someone to a a club but then afterwards when it's done which they're they're not showing in this mock up the you know when the whole thing's done and the the app closes the yoink button here should like change to say like you've yoinked or whatever or if it's an events dot x y z thing it should change to say like you're successfully on the list or whatever it is so kind of trying to bring all this tech together i'm curious where it all goes but i do get like why they're trying to bring it all together and i think there are a lot of neat things going on under the hood to power this

so it's like they're keeping frames as they are and then mhmm if i'm if i understand it they're trying to bundle what frames and mini apps are into this new app frame which gives both what we would call frames and mini apps like more of a leg up

well that part you can already do like you can click a frame and open the mini app and it's like continuing to do that but the experience is fat like a faster because when you like for flappycast for example let's say you open the button and then it opens the mini app when you're opening the mini app that's like a browser tab so it has to go and get the website but they're saying like the frame itself would come with all the web data already downloaded for the mini app so that when you open it there's no wait time and it's a lot faster and then there's a couple couple more apis yeah

and yes

yeah me too i think one of the interesting things though is you know at first frames were this thing that you just built really quickly and then get distribution for in the feed and so even though there weren't always these retentive actions you could have a lot of actions be taken really quickly if the thing you're building goes viral what i'm you know trying to see with this new spec is that they're pushing it towards a world where there's more interactivity right you have this frame the frame has to open the mini app the mini app does something expansive that takes use of the apis and then it's it's like closed and brings you back to the frame that's like the the holistic model that they wanna go for and i just think there are like less experiences that fall into that bucket and it takes a little bit more work to build for that and maybe i'm wrong and and there's gonna be even even more but i think with frames being something that was a little bit smaller in terms of the spec and easier to embed because you're just focusing on the frame and the feed there is a lot more quick ephemeral stuff that could happen versus here you're banking on the fact that there's going to be this breadth of more well done utility based app frames which totally can happen but i think there just needs to be a lot of them and like built really well and you have yeah less of a chance for the more like mid curve products to flourish if that makes sense

alright well we'll see i just it seems like there's more work that has to be put into it

we're all developers on this podcast adrian

we're going through it all we're we're here but yeah i mean we'll we'll see i think i think that's my my intuition but i i i wanna see people continue continuing to build on it and i think also i might be wrong and there might be people who build something that's more so focused on the frame side and they say hey we'll we'll take advantage of the new tech but i don't care as much about building the entire app and then the people who do build the app are gonna build like a really solid experience for it so

but yeah that's the main over yeah that's the main overview of app frames i can quickly run through the rest of the dev call it wasn't a crazy amount but those were kind of the the the main things for directcast there is a beta of group apis that you can access the group apis they let you create a group update a group it's a lot more permissive it is not fully at the state obviously where you can make an entire like directcast client where you're pulling in all the messages etcetera but there is a lot more of getting conversations creating conversations it's i haven't gone through the whole thing but it seems much more permissive and if you are looking to build on this you should reach out to gabriel on the warpcast team who i know has been leading this

yes these are warpcast apis

for for reducing sign up costs there wasn't anything crazy you know continued talk of they wanna lower it within the next month or so but wasn't really gone over too much for hubs the two main updates were that they shipped the location and x account verifications to hubs and then they are doing more kinda modeling with snapchaine and hoping to have more of a proof of concept in the next couple of weeks but it doesn't seem like the proof of concept is the snapchaine is gonna be fully deployed just more so here's like the the code more built out and then sign up with farcaster at the bottom they didn't go over i assume that that it just wasn't really their focus this week but the the the focus is yeah were really channels the invite stuff and then app frames were the were the two main ones from this week and then i'd thought maybe that they would have brought up ai bots to some capacity but now that i'm looking back at it i mean what would they have said like ai bots are cool you know

yeah yeah but yeah dev dev call is good if you wanna join again it is every other thursday so it won't happen this thursday but next thursday at 10am pacific one eastern

yeah sure the vibe of the dev call is it's normally like dan or varun lead like normally varun leads and then dan will jump in for different things mostly more like the warp cast or product perspective stuff and then certain team members will be tagged in for particular products they're working on like gabriel for a direct cast tony for app frames sanjay for snapchain different stuff like that as it comes up 99% of people have their cameras off i try not have my camera off everyone's just listening or they have their like ai note taking bots there with them and then and then normally there's a slew of questions that will come in that will be you know answered at breaks between the different sections or sometimes people like you know drop little memes but it's more so just like like farcaster lore like oh like when decentralization or i don't know like like people trying to come up with witty memes on the spot in google comments and then and then dan like reading them out and everything but that was crazy and and recently they've been pretty efficient like the last dev call was you know they earmarked forty five minutes the last one was maybe half an hour though but they're obviously not trying to just speed run through it for the sake of it i think it's just leaving out the fluff and then if people have more questions people will answer and i think i think varun wasn't at the last one because he was on a vacation or something like that but normally varun will also have very like deep technical questions if if people bring up certain topics that they wanna go into but the majority of the topics are just through chat and people aren't always like raising their hand or using the mic to ask a question

and i think they're all on youtube as well if you wanna record so there's a good little thing there too if you wanna like download all the transcripts and do something with it you can have like a a dev day dev dev call bot or something like that

to i saw this

yeah where'd it go

i know bill and got lost in the abyss

find it

oh like downloading youtube though

nice very cool oh dylan you'll never find it known as professor says that's why we need the ai to help us find it

exactly like you know what i was thinking last night the was you know how chat g p t has the new voice mode

and and then because i've been using it to like brainstorm like i'll have conversations with it and then there's obviously notebook l m which can do the podcast thing i feel like if you were able to feed it context someone could make a really cool podcast guest or podcast cohost tool where it inserts the ai like on your call or on your video call and it has the context and it's just you know what i mean

do you have a like you have like a like with the real time new ai assistants that you can use like the voice assistant you can have like a notebook l m style podcast host but in real time like listening to your convo and butting in when you wanted to

yeah too

where'd you

here we go here we go there's so much so much going on on this interface yes

nice yes nice so what's the next step you're downloading the transcripts what what do you have access to do

mhmm

yeah i i see what you're saying i could see the i could see the like host name thing being important like who's who's speaking right now

that'd be cool i think that shows how early you know because people think oh ai is so advanced that it's already taking everything over etcetera etcetera but it's so early that the thing you were just talking about doesn't exist like hey just go give me all the data on this youtube channel and return it in like a simple ai ingestible format or whatever

nice well yeah definitely keep us in the loop this is a this is a cool project so fun to follow along and if it goes well maybe i'll start getting the transcripts from these even though it's only only three so far but add whatever data we can to the collection nice yeah so with clankr as well this is another another cast to highlight that clankr can just create tokens it seemed like on wow.xyz as well so clinker is really just expanding how much it can do again it seemed like all this is in the create a token do something for me on chain realm but it's all moving really quickly evolving like i think wow x y z just launched last week so for clanker to launch wow to launch and then clanker to use wow all within a week is very very fast paced for crypto

probably decentralization source

yeah right yeah yeah so it's all coming together all the lego blocks we have a the whole online lego store to to choose from

totally we are talking pure builder legos not financial legos you know do do your own research

totally but speaking about the developer legos dan quoted this and i think this is a great use case of airstack moxie has done a great job of the over the past couple months but even over the past couple of weeks making use case of all of these different farcaster legos so here for example they have the moxie frame right which can open the mini app to do stuff but then i guess here is what as well sorry they have a personalized feed of offers to users that they can target through i believe it is here a cast action that opens their frame and then the user clicks let's see clicks earn and then gets this app promoted directly to them so going back to what you were saying earlier adrian of just being able to access a mini app this is really slick of hey i'm in the context i wanna learn about this thing i'm popped right into the experience very minimal nav i think that was really just two clicks to get to that and then afterwards you can take that action go share it out with your friends or not so fun to see all these legos coming together and also great to see developers acknowledging what legos are available and trying to make the best use of it not just for themselves but also for the ecosystem it's a great example for other people it shows warpcast and others that people actually care about these legos that are being built so that's like a a really great thing you can do as a developer if you care about legos in an ecosystem to you know build on it support it and really like try and get the most out of what is already there

i'm not as much i'm more of a lurker

got it got it yeah no i mean i think they'd i think they do a good job at ecosystem building they they make good use of those tools they seem to be connected to their fans i know especially when moxie first came out there is a little bit of confusion from folks and i'm sure some folks still have their own confusion but it seems to me like they're doing a lot they have a lot of community calls a lot of different initiatives and programs things built on top of moxie json always shows a extension of this like a moxie chrome extension that you overlay on warpcast and web with all these different features so there is a a whole ecosystem there for sure

yeah so cool cool there another one hey if you are a developer and you wanna build an open source farcaster client for ai 16 z there is a bounty maybe it'll even open on bountycaster at some point but for now it is just here on x i i think the only way to see it is if you just go to the a i16z.github page and it's really just here in this text i don't even know if there's anything on how you get in touch with them this is all the public info i could find but hey if you want a thousand dollars usd in their token and in dgen ai you have some free time and this interests you go check this out

i just know that it's some sort of ai bot and they have like mark ai andreessen but it's like meant to

yeah i mean it seems like like farcaster has its own bot meta and then twitter has its own bot meta that's like even larger and and has all these sub sub niches and stuff but other than like

yeah yeah yeah sure sure sure other other than the name though i don't really know our cast is a real culture for sure sure but i don't know much about this other other than the name to be quite honest i just saw it and i was like oh of course people are are

yeah they may have to off the bounty that's the point

yeah if you could pay a thousand usd for a a parody twitter client on farcaster i think we'd have like 200 clients right now

and then all be the same sort of meetings yeah i guess i guess they mean like well what they really what what parity means in scoping is like it should have every feature you know but

yeah

yeah

yes i know i know

they should have just had ai 16 z carved into one of the pumpkins it just had a pumpkin patch or something right

but they many different options

i know we'll have to see if this was an on chain voting decision or if the ai did this

alright well thank you for being a

back to the dev news

hey no all good

no very very valid

yes yes but back to dev news and if you wanna you know check that bounty out i guess check it out you can check it out on the website without the image if you'd like to but back to developer news we got a cool update here from woj that it seems like he's gonna be focused on a mobile version of supercast and even has a mobile developer that he is working on let me find that as well the developer here proud to welcome nate dev dot eth to the team who will be the main chef behind the app i've seen a bunch of his work on twitter and forecaster seems like a a a great developer great find from woj this is gonna be cool to see obviously you wanna see more clients but the one thing we also don't see as much of is mobile clients so excited here right with mobile there are a lot of these extra edge cases you have to think about extra design but also majority of eyeballs are spent on mobile so hopefully the more mobile clients there are the more opportunities there can be for these other clients to continue to to grow in traction but yeah this is gonna be exciting i think it'd be cool

i do use supercast a good bit yeah

yeah yeah although if you haven't seen as well their mobile pwa which is out right now is pretty good too like if you

oh yeah that's maybe one of the more one of the more hidden features but if you just do like the add to home screen feed it it all like renders on mobile and it looks and feels pretty nice and you can you know use the connect wallet stuff and i use it because i can just connect to like rainbow on my phone it's pretty good people like to you know say negative things on pwas and i i get all the reasonings and everything but honestly you know pwas work for for what they need to sometimes maybe not the full android vision of it's this yeah app on your phone but

but

react i do know react creative yes yeah those are what i spend most of my time in those two yeah more more so react but yeah

so yeah shout shout out to woj excited to see this coming to ios and android so get your phones ready and speaking of another client we have also a great update here from hale howell sorry if i mispronounced that but hale howell hale creates recaster a client i actually use a lot as well because recaster is a fully native mobile client and as much as i love well recaster has a lot of great features but one of the things i use it more so for is a quick load when i use warpcast i don't know if you run-in this adrian but there are some times where i use warpcast and i'm stuck at the big loading w for not even just forty five seconds but sometimes up to like three minutes which isn't the the best for an app and it seems like there's like a whole set of data they're trying to save that's like getting in the way of it but recaster just opens immediately like a normal app and even if i have to wait an extra second or two for the data to load it's good to get that at a snapshot plus a lot of fun mobile features like a little mini app center and now web development here where you can go and see the feed for any user which is like a good little work in progress if you wanna see the work that is being done on the web version of this so you can go and see here like a user's feed let's see adrian's feed oh no what why did it not work

what do you have

yes if you're if you're listening but but you but yeah this is this is fun

i think it's just read only for now but you can tell that there's there's work going in here there's also work for the web version of the butterfly client so

yes yeah

well they're basically making some sort of algorithm that checks like your your followers and stuff

and then also certain like naynar for example has a for you let's see if i can show okay it's like a for you where i can like get the feed for a particular user so here if i go under like feed for you and then like what's your fid

nice so then i would put in the fid user

yes exactly it's like a lucky number but yeah you can just put in your fid and then you can make a feed for that particular user so like this would be the feed of cast for you and then you can you know use a different provider etcetera

but this is this is cool it's it's fun to see people continuing to do good work on clients you know making making clients work great yeah this is you know recaster has been very consistent with their updates it's been a client i've been using a bit so this is fun to see

it is not paid

but so you should definitely go

and recaster.org and shout out hale who has been yeah making some great updates on this client

nice you mean like a route like is my connection down.com to work past

yes the crypto said i hesitate greatly in giving up full control of my forecaster account to a product that isn't paid great hesitation again i think i think like the account security thing is still early on and people are are trying to figure out i get the i get i i totally get what you're saying there if like if it's a product you're paying for then you trust that more i personally think there's like a little more that goes into it as well like for example in the case of recaster i know that heyol is building a lot i've seen him on the dev calls see the updates and with that sort of builder creating the app key or the signer for that app is kinda like the world that we're entered where we've like that's the thing that you do maybe in the future there's even another set of permissioning where instead of a full signer you're like delegating mini signer permissions or this app can only interact with frames this app can only cast for me but i do get the the the paid thing i don't think there's a there's a perfect answer towards like what broadcaster permissioning looks like i think for now it definitely is some sort of sense of what does that trust look like to you and then also do people you know were in your network use that app and does that give you an extra level of comfort i guess in using the tool but i would personally yeah i didn't even using recaster

yeah

time totally totally cool alright well we only have a couple more because i know we're wrapping in a minute or so but i think these are kinda good ones to end on so here for dgen i'm not gonna pretend like i know the entire in and out of this story my like chad gpt overview here would be it seems like jassy is trying to move away from dgen they're not super happy with sorry move away from dgen l three which is hosted by conduit seems like they have not been super happy with the service that conduit has been providing just to show you the recap in their words dgen l three was processing 200 in bridge volume conduit pushed a bad upgrade which led to downtime and over $160 in lost user funds bridge volume dropped by over 75% the next month and there is this back and forth where they again claim that conduit refused to take ownership request fees and this whole back and forth where it seems like they've been trying to move off the system and maybe conduit has been making it harder they need to sign a draft or something i will say as well that it says it looks like they heard back from conduit and conduit you know had had a bunch of replies where they said oh we signed this contract so i don't know the entire story it seems like some people have their minds made up or they have the different sides that they're they're stealing with all i'll say is like look people operating in bad faith isn't great i don't know the whole side so i can't fully comment on what i was saying but i think it aside this is a good time for people to think about how much their community really does need something like an l three or really in general any extra infrastructure like i know that sometimes dan can get a lot of flack for keeping things centralized and not fully decentralizing it or having a broad api but i know that from the warpcast side they're not doing it from this position of trying to create a moat they're doing it from trying to make sure that when they do decentralize or make that leap it's done in the best way because you know when you decentralize you can't go back when you make an l three there is a possibility that this chain can like lose funds or have downtime or things like that so broadly speaking i would just say like whatever you're building in crypto be really considerate about how much you need to take the next step in terms of infra and really maxing out what you can do with what you have around i'm sure otherwise there's more lessons or like if we learn certain truths here but again i just like don't really know the whole story

yeah i think like everything i've seen of of jacek is that he thinks about this stuff pretty well he's quite transparent about it so i'm sure whatever the outcome is is gonna be fine and it seemed to me that he was trying to be transparent through this process and not be too digging i think this is obviously tough when you have to like mention another company by name like that i'm sure it's not something he did in vain you know

yeah for sure and like yeah and i want them to both be strong like i've heard great things about gasik and dgen i've heard great amazing things about handuit as well so i want i want them to both do well yeah alright the last two or three we have or so so one which is super small is now miniapp transactions are supported in frog i haven't tried it yet but you know example you've seen what the transaction looks like i guess you can you know send in your wallet comes up that's that's pretty nice if you wanna check it out you should go see the docs here on frog.fm or mini apps

yeah frog is like frames.js

it was started by paradigm and then weave them and weave them is like a log me vm they do a bunch of like typescript ethereum stuff

of the last kinda like main developer focused ones i thought was exciting is these delegated actions from privy where now other apps can perform actions on your behalf like within a particular rule set so here for example you know this app can execute on chain actions for you but transactions are capped at $20 back to what we were saying like the example of every gm farcaster podcast nft that comes up on zuora you can set a bunch of these actions and privy has for a while been thinking about how the embedded wallet in one app can be used by another app i think that is going to give even more benefit or put even more prominence on the fact that apps have these embedded wallets whereas now it might feel like oh all these apps have these spread and embedded wallets that aren't connected and i'm not really using them much but if they can have these multifunctional purposes where they like make sense to have like wallets per se in different areas i think i think that could be cool so excited to see what developers do with this i'll have to to take more of a look at it as well but this caught my eye when they launched it

nice and then the last one isn't yes love privy not developer focused as much but more so fomo this is where they're doing the big forecaster event it looks like at at devcon fomo ing already but if you are there i don't know when it's happening today yesterday tomorrow something like that but but but go to limone's page and and and make sure to be there oh okay it looks like it's tomorrow or or soon it's like tomorrow already in bangkok but yes oh that that is the main news from us here for this third episode of the hub make sure to join us again next week at 10am eastern for for more developer news continue building it's a great time to be on farcaster great time to be in crypto adrienne do you have any other closing thoughts but i really appreciate you being here with me today

awesome yes maybe by then we'll even have some code to show off for your new project

who knows yeah who knows

let's go nice alright well thank you so much everyone hope you have a great rest of your day coding away checking farcaster and we'll see you again next wait

yes i wanna ask you right now

nothing official revealed there will be there will okay all i'll say publicly is there will totally be a builder hackathon something attached what all of that looks like what it is publicly going to be called we're still figuring it out but will it essentially be like a far hack hackathon sort of thing attached to this totally a % i think we're just trying to a without giving too much up like trying to make sure it fits in with what we're doing and trying to learn from the far hack at far con to just like make sure that it's the best experience possible for everyone for the developers for the non developers who wanna be there like for the you know presentations but also not have it get in the way but without saying too much more other than that to to disrupt the team that's working on this yes there will be developer hackathon stuff so very excited and if you are interested in anything go to farhonda nyc

yes a % that's gonna be exciting we'll have to have like a the hub behind the scenes video of everyone hacking or something there

alright well thank you again adrianne thanks everyone for listening in and have a great rest of your tuesday