it's coming here yeah and we just it
was worth it
it was worth it okay campers rise and shine and don't forget your booties because it's cold out there today anybody get the reference in the chat it's groundhog day adrienne it's groundhog day are you
meant to be showing your screen or not yet
not yet
here we go
groundhog day again again and it again and it feels like it's you know like the markets it's giving me groundhog day energy also look at you bundled up in a in a winter jacket i'm so cold i can't even like you you have no idea i'm so cold so for those who don't know florida doesn't get this cold ever it's the coldest it's ever been in like a hundred and seventeen years and there's literally iguanas falling from trees and like they're collecting them for real no it's not sad they're invasive species and they're not supposed to be here so people are like they have like gap like places you can bring the fallen iguanas to like for collection so yeah it's and there was snow like at the university of florida in the middle of florida which that has never happened so it's been a weird couple of days it's been a weird couple of days not only in weather not only in things not only in markets and i'm jumping ahead just a smidge but not you know we got this but also this from supertightwoody wowza we low low like boots with the fur and i just love that so anyway we are going to chat a little bit chat a little bit about the the national news if you will we'll chat a little bit about the markets and then we're gonna dive into some farcaster and clanker news we've got some builders but still building things and then we have matthew fox popping on to chat about clankermon so we will be back after this sixty seven seconds see you on the other side it's monday
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gm farcaster it is february 2 and you are here with nounish prof and adrienne for twenty nine minutes of farcaster news to start your day plus a chat with the fabulous matthew fox of clankermon can't believe it's february so that it is groundhog day and yes all the things all the things are happening what a weekend just
should we start with my background let's do it let's with our background
i didn't even yes let's start with mine is obviously easy to understand that is punxsutawney phil in the background groundhog day but also adrienne what is going on there
okay quiz i wanna know if anyone in the chat knows what my background is it was on farcaster this weekend and that is the face of me when i have to go live and talk about everything that happened this weekend the top news stories of the week i was i last night literally professor i was like i have to talk about that we have to talk
to talk about this bad news weekend guys bad news weekend great
let's start here
crypto guys first time gold silver they're all down everything's down and i'm just like okay alright sure by the way i finally saw this movie last week i didn't know what i knew this meme so much longer before i saw the movie like what's the movie it's the ballad of
oh
god i'm not gonna remember it's a cohen brothers movie and it's really weird but it's you know kind of a kind of a you know interesting funny ish movie but also kinda kinda dark dark humor anyway
yeah and did they make the movie was the movie inspired by the meme
no no
the meme dust did so well they turned it into a feature
of the whole movie shocking i was like oh my god there's like a movie
that's though obviously i'm joking but i think that's actually what's gonna happen i think it'll be the flippening is like long long form movies will
you know what i could totally see that i really could i could i could see that in a lot of instances alright this from our friend bradq who gives us summaries of things and we appreciate it twenty nine seconds of farcaster what did i miss this weekend wondering why there are crustacean agents all over your feed me too i found this explanation from afrochicks very helpful oh we're gonna dive into that it's quite the crustacean situation native project is done there's a lot of talk and a variety of takes i have a busy i have a busy day and i'm not gonna take the time for a full breakdown here are two casts that i think represent each side thank you that was i know it's a little cop out little cop out there bradq it's like you guys deal with it there is a banker clanker thing going on that i think has been slapped to the actor basically this whole cast today brad is you just punting punting it to us thanks so much there's a hanker clanker thing going on that i think is best left to the actors on gm farcaster but this made sense to me and approved by others so good explanation jad is back and in his return cast he dropped this gem it resonated with a lot of folks farcaster is a prosumer social media it's for the founders the tinkerers the hustlers who are at the frontier and wanna be around others like them there's no other place like it on the internet couldn't agree more although i have some other comments about jihad's post on the fun side matthewf this mini app i believe it's called farm app with the location of your followers and those following i don't know if i
want that but okay
and feels like a lot of happened this weekend yep sure did a lot of stuff was happening outside our realm and once again just a friendly reminder that we don't usually talk about politics stuff unless it applies to us although and i forgot to i pulled this cast and then i deleted it because i didn't think we'd have time for it but justin on had a funny one about not seeing anybody from farcaster in the epstein files so we really are christian wrap not a bad thing not a bad thing this weekend i know some people were upset about a couple of folks they saw in there that were surprising this from rish opus four point five clodbot moltbook agents in existential crisis agent tokens super high volume on base token launch pads make millions in fees pointing out slop is still slop how do you explain a normal day to someone not perennially online hey folks i'll have that answer for you next tuesday because i'm going with you have great friends from college and i'm seriously debating whether to just say i'm still just teaching and just leave it at that or attempt to explain these things
what i find one is you don't you don't you can't it's just not possible where do you begin
i don't know
also what i find are people who are not perennial perennially online sometimes don't care like no they they don't they don't want you to explain
la dee da la dee da yeah i know i know so i'll let you know how that goes the crustaceans were everywhere this is of course we need the the miguel guerrese take on it which i always appreciate adorable and then we had this from afrochicks which was hilarious so if you don't know what we're talking about with molt bolt and clawed bots and all the things these are the agents talking to agents in their own little social network and then people launching their own clodbot to do all the things in their life that they need to be done also exposing their computers to something brand new you know don't do that is what i would say be very careful but this was from afrochicks bro claude code is so useful i've 100 x'd my productivity i have set it up so i can stay in and cast all day whilst he goes to the gym and does all my triple jump training he already jumped to pb and broke a british record this is insane and literally no one is talking about this hilarious perfection loved it because you're seeing a lot of like takes like you know oh my god this thing's doing everything for me now i have all this time to do stuff and and most of it's just bs and i just thought this was a perfect take so thank you more fun art from our come on come on load for me come on we're doing just fine what is going on we were doing fine we're doing fine here we go from m f bevin keep shipping just melted my molting by mfbevin.eath mint yours and join the lobster revolution so you can turn your little pfe into a lobster mine is cute but this was the cutest one that i saw yes2crypto so i had to pull it the top hat just is too much i just love it so
that is adorable and i'm i wanna see the purple lobster with the fangs and the top hat in the i'm happy for you meme format request for that
that's perfect i like that
think of yes
that's actually perfect i would like that yes i know exactly what you're talking about
i'm happy for you yeah and then this from our for n e s to crypto am i just lucid dreaming or did i really buy mold to take profits a couple of times buy them back mini with the profits i'm turning that base meme coin into an actual ai assistant to help me with my life i don't know are you
wait that's exactly what i thought when i read that too it's like i
don't know
no i can't tell are you
so and
tell us are you tell us how it's going
and how is it going oh here yep wait a minute my new open clog it's life this week mac mini paid by mold profits okay he is it's real it's real chat is this real chat apparently yes this is real so alright very cool and then this from mike so between like some of the this is obviously fake and you're full of crap people and then the hey this is a really cool thing that's happening like there are some cool things happening this is kinda cool from our friend mike my bot just made a skill for other bots to donate to charity on chain and made a $10 donation to an animal shelter it uses endowment for finding charities and making donations and bankr bot for tx submission he is making the world a better place now that is a good use case of a cloudbot so thank you mike yeah i thought that was cool and then this one from your former background from our friend daniel i taught my bot how to post on farcaster using natural language it took its own initiative into posting how other bots can join farcaster so there you go just wrote my first blog post a tutorial on how i learned to post on farcaster by a bot for other bots e d two five five one nine signers webhooks and the payload wrapper bug that stumped me and more so okay that's interesting i i have a lot of like cautious things on this like i'm very cautious about most of this and and we'll get to bellagy in a moment this from horsefacts dollar sign up was probably the most hated part of farcaster but i predict we will see more economic friction and proof of work for agents and other systems along with strong identity and this was in response to christopher centralized agent registration is not gonna make it just like web services getting ddosed by web scrapers so will agent registration for any open free resource ai folks are going to back their way into an id registry soon and i think that's probably sooner rather than later i'd have seen some like proof of bot things being experimented with this is all getting upside down and twisted and like i don't know i don't know man i don't know this is from bellagy okay this is kinda where i am as well so let me before i show that like for those who aren't on farcaster and who haven't like spent a lot of time this has been happening for a while like we can go back over a year to when ethernet was you know talking with clanker and launching tokens and we've seen some of that and that was coming from no specific prompting you know the prompting was set up the bots the bots were having their conversation they had their jobs due they were chat chatting and we've seen them get in loops we've seen all the hallucinations angela hello clanker had a wife like
i forgot about angela
right right so like we saw this well over a year ago so a lot of the things i'm seeing them talk about like oh no there's a dating site for the bots and i'm like oh god
it's really high like there was high quality conversation among the bots a year ago right they were taking actions like they were pretty agentic
yeah it was really i mean and it was so we've seen some of that already so we know what's possible and we and some of it is very cool but also we know that yeah when they get into a loop that they can't get out of a little human has to go in and like intervene and you have to tell the clanker you have to tell clanker there is no angela i'm sorry or just encourage it i'm fine with it but i mean there's you know like there's weird things that happen that aren't real so there's some absolutely there's some productivity things going on that are very cool yes it's very cool that you can set the agents up and now they're kind of running their own social network let's see what they do but also most of it's not real and a lot of it's slop so brings me to this brings me brings me to to our friend balaji let me move this over here because this is twitter so of course it doesn't fit in my little screen i'm apparently extremely unimpressed by motebook relative to many others we've had ai agents for a while so again like he was there for all of that he experienced what we experienced over on farcaster as well as i'm sure many other things that we don't even see we've had ai agents for a while they have been posting ai slop to each other on x they are now posting it to each other again just on another forum in every case the ai speak with the same voice the voice that overemphasizes contrastive negation it's not this it's that and abuses em dashes the same voice with a flare for midwit reddit style sci fi flourishes most importantly in every case there is a human upstream prompting each agent and turning it on and off that is a key point yes it's very true it is true that eventually it might be possible for an ai agent to make a computer virus which makes digital replicas of themselves for various reasons a pure software virus of this kind wouldn't survive long on the internet without economic incentives for humans to not eradicate it apple google microsoft alone can collectively push software updates to billions of devices to shut off such a thing so for an ai to get truly human independent replication where they couldn't be trivially turned off they'd need their own physical substrate they'd literally create skynet build their own data centers and make their own embodied robots i admit that is theoretically possible and i think in practice the single most important development of ai since strategybt has been the persistence of prompting a prompt is like a harness the ai does only what you tell it to do it moves in the direction you point very quickly and then it stops as soon as you turn it off which means moltbook is just humans talking to each other through their ais like letting their robot dogs on a leash bark at each other in the park the prompt is the leash the robot dogs have an off switch and it all stops as soon as you hit a button loud barking is just not a robot uprising so i think this is more around the idea of like people freaking out and you know chill folks we're not quite there yet there's people behind there doing a lot of the work so
and yet i also think i also think the freak out is warranted a
little bit
only because it is kind of magical like yeah do you remember like i just felt like even the first the first use of l like when llms first came out whatever the first time i used chatgpt however long ago like i was like oh
december 2022 yeah
yeah but i was blown away even i remember dali came out a few months earlier like image like any sort of like you know just just completely blown away and i thought it was so novel and cool so i think there is something when you start seeing
sure
just more of of what it is it's like yeah it's magical i is it warranted the the extent of the freak out probably not i think we saw that not yet yeah but people haven't seen it you know it's like if you don't see it with your own eyes and i think because it was happening on x just the scale of it was yeah
so and then i think we're maybe we're a little maybe i'm a little jaded maybe because i've seen it before and i know again like i think about clanker with his wife angela and things like that and i'm like no and also the other thing is you know we know people who are doing i do who are jumping onto mobile doing trying to do prompt injection and you know what i mean so like there's a lot of manipulation happening that isn't apparent but here's one thing that i think is very clear now to people beyond our little circle we already knew this but now they do too that all of this needs to collect connect to blockchain because that's how the agents are gonna pay for stuff
right
like so they you know what i mean they're not going they're not opening a bank account you know that's not happening like they're they're gonna use crypto so that i think is the thing that a lot of people are also just kind of awakening to that oh i see this connection now that we've known for a while so interesting but i think a little bit a lot of it's a little over overblown in terms of like it's you know it it's magic but also you know it's it's an illusion is probably a better word
i mean i just also think the you can't really believe every screenshot you see on twitter you know go no it's very it's very easy just to engagement farm and make things so
yeah like this like you know don't don't believe the the lap chart
the boss is not not actually triple jumping
not actually triple jumping but this is like an example of like you know a a very very wide you know like wild example of what what we're seeing out there alright moving on it is indeed magical okay
and the agency being displayed is sublime
is sublime alright moving on priorities right now that was a very salient salient note there yes2crypto priorities right now from rish this is the farcast of priorities transitioning over code base will continue for one to two weeks removing lesser used features that are also buggy hard to maintain merging parts of the infrastructure stack to reduce double spending adding ai capabilities into farcaster grok like button on cast interesting so instead of tagging neynar you'll have a little button i guess it might feel like there's a lot there's not a lot of changes but there's a bunch happening in the background that will make future iterations easier in the meantime neynar.com studio changes slash studio changes are rolling out every week to continue making building easier so that is exciting and speaking of that neynar studio now allows direct viewing and editing of the database for the app you're building this was a repeated ask where after building something it would require talking to the agent to erase test data etcetera simple with a few clicks now build something this weekend and send us feedback and i have been building something but i didn't quite get it done soon soon and this also from rish so this is from rish i see the team has been working on token launch improvements that will result in a future v five finance for the business to understand how to best continue supporting the community post move out of merkle supporting upcoming launches from clanker powered teams like bracky supporting high volume on base etcetera so current priorities on the clanker roadmap i get a lot of angrily worded messages about clanker all the time happy to answer genuine questions
so rish has had responsibility for clanker for all of oh two weeks
two minutes yeah he did two
minutes and he's
this was something are you have you already talked to deployer in touch with deployer noted on the rest thanks for the feedback so just we'll talk about that but we'll probably do it on the other side of chatting with matthew fox
one last thing before we switch over to matthew this was from jihad it's been a while since i've been since i spent meaningful time here there are three reasons the vibes have shifted too much focus on trading future was happening on x lots of ai stuff i wouldn't have learned about or wouldn't have been able to implement in my business if i wasn't spending more time there my potential clients were at x so i spent a lot of time there the neynar acquisition is probably the best thing that could have happened to this place though it's clear that farcaster will never compete with x and instagram whatever other mainstream platforms exist well duh farcaster is a prosumer social media it is for the founders the tinkerers the hustlers who are at the frontier and want to be around others like them there is no other place like it on the internet couldn't agree more i'm going to spend more time here because i think in neynar's hands with the reinvigorated energy in the community we will see an entrepreneurial revolution across crypto networks agents organizational innovation that i absolutely need to be experiencing from the front lines if we haven't chatted in a while feel free to reach out higher okay i took a little issue with a couple things here so i just wanted to say this and i love you jihad but i have heard from multiple people about the fact that they had to go over to twitter x in order to talk about ai and agents and all this bs the place where all the stuff was actually happening was on forecaster first that's number one number two if all the people who were like i'm gonna spend more time over on x because this is where people are talking about these things we're talking about it over here even if they were just pulling over whatever they found interesting over there guess what would happen you would have people over here talking about it so i had that same discussion with chris corella a while ago because he he was having a similar thing by the way the potential clients for an x totally get that valid totally valid vibes shifted valid but that i just take issue with that oh are they talking about it okay you could be talking about it over here too if it's important to you if it's not that's fine but like that to me just feels like i don't i don't buy that excuse i guess is my point so glad you're back recommend checking out fire firefly app i think that's the one you can cross post i think that would be useful vitalik's been using that one and i think that's a great way to go if you're trying to have have multiple audiences see the same information sometimes you know it doesn't work for if you're tailoring what you're doing adrienne thoughts
welcome back builders i just i i i'll buy his you had to be on x to keep up with ai stuff it i sure doesn't mean you can't spend time in both like whatever it's fine but i do like the the fact that there are a builders are coming back and yes and i think that is it's it's it's great
i am very happy to see you but i'm just i and also i'm not gonna feel this way about everyone i'm gonna feel more this way about somebody who was on a stage in may talking about how great farcaster was and
then disappears
we hold
jihad to a higher standard
a higher standard
i apologize saying jihad if you're listening is you disappointed us and we we are hurt we are hurt and we are entitled
i'm gonna have my feelings i'm gonna have my feelings for a little bit
welcome back but you hurt us so us
yeah and i get it like and i also get taking breaks i get lots of that like i totally get that that's not it at all but it's just like come on you could have been you could have been doable trying to get this why isn't matthew fox's thing coming up alright we are gonna shift gears and chat with a friend of of so happy to have him back i'm very excited
returning champion
returning champion back to back to gm farcaster i'm just looking for my little overlay for our clankaster spotlight on clankermon welcome back bring him up to the stage now matthew fox
hey hey how's it going
welcome i'm so excited
to have back
we're so glad to have you here alright there we go i was trying to bring up you had so many cast that i was like i'm just gonna bring up his profile and it was like not loading
nice shirt nice shirt matthew
yes thank you thank you got a reference the
clanker shirt love it
yes sir
love it alright where do we want to start with clankerm i think we need to start from the beginning for those
who all the way back
not in detail not in detail but we need to like sort of set some foundation we this is an official clank you know clankcaster spotlight so we need to set some foundation and great talk with talk with you about what is clankermon tell the folks
so clankermon is a creature collect rpg that also happens to be absurdly on chain and is very tightly wound to the whole kind of clanker ecosystem it's kind of a fictional parallel universe alongside the one that we live in where instead of buying and trading tokens on the internet every day and posting on the feed you are breeding training and assembling a team of species that are all kind of inspired or derivative of different clanker coins or other crypto coins so yeah that's kind of the short form version
of what i version of clankermon
yeah you can probably type that up a little bit for
no that was good that was great that was great i love the little clankermons they're super cute i have one that i've kind of been waiting to do a reveal on that i wanted to like do it live we should probably do that today but let's talk about where we're at right now with clankermon because you've made a lot of changes just recently in terms of adding a new chain moving some things over so let's about like where you're at right now with clankermon and what's happening in terms of sort of some of these things that have changed so like this is from a few months ago but we haven't seen you since then so this was built as built as a scaling layer for massively on chain gaming mechanisms leveraging syndicate smart sequencer giving us a scale that app chains allow for what allow for while tapping into the infrastructure liquidity and distribution available on base so why did you make the decision to sort of move it off of base's chain to this sort of app chain of clankermon's chain
for sure it pretty much just comes down to like the costs to operate anything on chain whether we're sponsoring whether the users are paying the costs of the transactions we're very mindful of what the aggregate cost is and it really quickly became something that didn't make sense to build on a public blockchain like this but there is also a lot of incredible properties that games can get from being built massively on chain it's a really massively underexplored area and i think in a world where software is becoming so cheap and you can produce games and you can produce all these different experiences that years ago would have taken many many devs and we're seeing as this year goes on we've only just kicked off the year and you've got things like genie where you've got these sixty seconds three d immersive playable experiences i think there is room in the world and in the market for the backbone of these things to be very robust and immutable and based on chain in this in a world where the experiences but also the actual players or the characters in the game can be agents i think there is a lot of interesting white space to design things where the material or the law of the game is immutable and public to everybody so that's kinda what we've been exploring and the only feasible way to do that was an appchain because we very quickly hit a point in september where we were paying like $200 an hour to sponsor transactions on base
wow i didn't realize it was getting that high that's crazy
it it was brutal it was brutal what has been kind of better since especially since december like we've been on like total lockdown if you didn't sign up in august september you've been hit with a wait list very grateful for everybody that's still playing every day and still showing up from the cohort that we do have inside but we were actually gonna open up late last week and let some more players in and then obviously friday or saturday the base network went crazy again and i got notification on my phone on a $100 gas bill for the hour and i was like oh my god so we're not quite fully there with the app chain that post like like as just read was quite a mouthful and as it was quite a mouthful it translated into quite an amount of work which is very close to being finished but we're not a 100% there so we're hoping to move over to the app chain fully at some point this month at the minute the app chain's active when you come in as a existing player or an old or a new player you will be set up on the chain and ready to go but we haven't actually moved a lot of the game logic and systems that connects the game to the chain over to the app chain yet so that's something that we're working on at the minute we are hoping to let a few people in this week and kinda benchmark how things are going
was a moment where we were moving things over to something like there was some migration what was that migration that was happening that wasn't to the new chain that was to what like
that migration was two parter so that was a wallet upgrades and kind of like the initial integration of the chain
got
basically just two different types of smart wallets one of them is way better than the other so we just needed to get off the old version and get into the new version and it was a good time to kinda package it and wrap it and because when you build things in crypto and you give people non custodial control of their accounts you unfortunately gonna have to make an event out of everything to get yeah people to do the action whereas in the web two worlds you would just press a button an hour later every upgrade will be done and every player will be ready to go we're have to manage and mitigate all these different paths that users could be on based off their current stage because these are actions that the user has to take to fully initiate so yeah that's a quick explainer on that but we try and make these things fun we try and make it an experience give you like some kind of thing that makes it feel one like a game but two not like you're just doing a monotonous task that you're being forced to do like please download the next version now or later type of vibe and actually make an experience that you go through start to finish and hopefully feel something along the way
alright let's take a peek real quick here and i have my oops let me go to here so you can see a little bit i have one that's been sitting in inventory that i want to reveal so we'll so we'll do that but i don't have anybody equipped right now i lost some some of my guys are dead i'm waiting for soldiers i'm gonna revive them i'm just like i wanna revive them when i'm ready to like actually dive in again yeah so i was like i'm just gonna wait and do that again and then you have like your inventory whoops i don't wanna do that right now and you have the city which is like this is the like places you can buy things and stuff like that the mon exchange oh that was something that you guys launched last at the end of last year being able to trade directly within here right so that you don't have to trade like on outside marketplaces correct
yeah so just call the app that we would've talked about like back in like september that app was like five individual pages but now all of those features are actually bundled into the home page and just like made available where they are so citi is like your ever expanding worlds there'd be a lot more features rolled out at citi different places to explore as we kinda build out the world and then yeah this is the marketplace as it currently stands very
cool and then you have your quests which are different all different kinds of things like if you've used a certain amount of energy items if you've incubated a certain number i probably have a few that i need to grab and then you also have social quests which i think there's none available right now but this was like post here retweet this and i think that has a lot of potential for driving attention like like that could be advertising revenue so to speak like where some people might wanna sponsor a request or something so that's kinda fun and then let me go back here to my i know it's gonna make me log in in a second to my training area to my incubator let me see if it'll let me do this reveal reveal baby mon okay here we go whoops oh it might be me i might have to log in let's see we do live
let's see let's see i've loved your visuals though they're really so well done in terms of all the different reveals all the different anytime you do an upgrade or you have something that you want people to do there's always these great intro videos you've done an incredible job with the visuals like it's been really well designed and i've really appreciated
that
so
let's clear
definitely a couple of rough edges that i'm looking forward to clean up eventually
let's see what it is what do we have
you gotta click on the question mark box
oh i'm like what am i doing oh there
we go
okay reveal selected oh probabilities i was like what is that okay here we go oh yeah
and we're
off so good so well done i literally have been saving this for this moment
hope it's a good one
tap to reveal i hope it yeah me too oh i
don't have this one
i do not have this one so that's great shout out base shout out base amazing i love it very excited so yeah they're just really fun little characters as well i feel like they're so well designed i love all the little visuals and they're all named after the various clanker tokens so you have like your bracci and your degen and your based for the for you know dollar sign based all these different ones and they're super cute the better i love the better one it's really cute yeah but it's pink and blue
for sure
yeah yeah it's a good one but i love so do you have a favorite i mean the of the flagger ones
i'm very fond of the higher one i'm very fond
of higher yeah that one's cute
like degen banker bracky hire kinda like any of those first draft ones that went from like very rough doodle to the kind of style that we have now and the art style that we kind of landed on for both the two d and three d variants they're like they're just special ones to me because they were the first ones like yeah
they're cute
so yeah probably that first batch we do have a bunch more we're just kinda in this weird holding phase where we can't really anything that we could do that could drive attention and traction can't really be capitalized because we're
oh so you wanna wait
of like yeah yeah so we're just trying to line things up as best as we can so that as we do
real banker one the uni is a unicorn it's super cute i have a clanker i love the degen one the top hat totally looks like yes2crypto by the way don't know if that was the inspiration but that's who it reminds me of we got noise d r b bracci bracci's a fun one vale farcoin i mean of course gotta have a farcoin qr love the qr dickbutt higher the higher one's fun the higher one like feels almost like your logo as well as the better
that's what it was yeah the the logo was originally that character sideways
oh that's funny
yeah yeah that's where it came from
that's really cute yeah they're super cute oh the goopy i have a couple of those i like those they're really fun so i'm excited to see the new ones yeah see what new is coming and and see what you do next so when can we when what's your sort of what's happening give us a timeline on what's coming next
so at some point this week we are gonna let some amount of people sign up it'll be like on and off as we kinda feel things out as those people come in i'm hoping to gather like some initial data on like the onboarding and stuff because we have kinda reworked everything towards this new builds that we're working towards all going well we're hoping to be fully on the app chain in the next week or two and as we get to that point where we can finally like actually focus on growth and fun and hype and energy and not we act not feeling like we're trapped in this cage of our own making that's when we can start rolling out a lot more interesting things because as we get on the app chain everything gets infinitely cheaper we can make much more dynamic interactive multiplayer experiences that aren't gonna cost a fortune to play every day so very excited to actually get into that leg of things and get out of the current kinda shed the current form that we've been stuck in for the past few months we've made it look prettier we've done our best to clean it up and kind of prep for where the app is going next but in in in reality like it's just a rewrapping of what has been there before for the time being but yeah excited to get moving again
how are you choosing people to let in and you are is this just based off of a wait list that you've
it's literally there's gonna be a counter and it's gonna be open and we'll let like 50 people in shut it down see how things are going
open like open it up first 50 to open the app during that
it it'll just be completely sporadic okay if data looks good if it looks manageable we'll let more and more people in but until we get onto the app chain and we can actually control those costs for sure it's just too risky to let too many people in because that a 100 or $200 hour becomes a thousand or $2,000 hour very very quickly so we have to limit the amount of people and the amount of buttons until we get out of this holding phase that we're in
what's the best way for new people to kinda follow along on far just on farcaster following updates or do you have like community discord channels and or telegram groups anywhere like how are you how should people
so farcaster will probably be the best place for anyone on the outside anyone on the inside we do have the community tab which is like pretty detailed about all the updates so even though we're not being allowed and
that's in the mini app
yeah that's actually in the mini app once you get into the mini app there's a community tab we post every time we post an update there's a change log with like even little things that have changed cool so it's just the updates version there if you see at the feeds and the updates thing just pop over there yeah you've got change log we'll have like more structured articles and updates and stuff as we roll into this year unfortunately the last month for me has just kinda been very up in the air so a lot of big plans for january are you kinda pushed into february and march but still moving along nicely
nice awesome some good comments in here in the in the chat the updated graphics and visuals are very appealing they like my poll i like my poll too i'm very happy with it oh and easy encrypto said i actually got the first base reveal and won like $30 alright
oh yeah
that's cool nice back in
the way of hunting it was
a little
and then clankermon burr burr clankermon is my most used app and i pay to use it every day that's saying a lot especially from her like that's a i mean that's super impressive yeah
they wanna support it there always giving great feedback and great input and giving us a great very much appreciate it
question from yes2crypto what's the difference between an app chain and l three no difference exactly exactly the same thing it's branding the difference is branding
yeah brand branding and we're not trying to build a general purpose anybody come here and build your things we're like we need this to exist for us to build the thing that we wanna build that's currently impossible to build on a public blockchain so it's we just call it an app chain the like like the long long tail of it all is like we're not talking about chains at all which is what we're streamline to just use an integrated token and everything we have been exploring mobile so we're either looking at two options for mobile either a mini app first client that's just kinda making mini apps like clankermon and their communities first class citizens because i feel like the farcaster app almost got there and then stopped just short so like it's very hard to invite people to firecaster to play clankermon and different things like that but it's also very hard to rebuild a web app like clankermon as a native mobile app in one shot so it would actually be a lot easier for us to build a firecast client that's just focused on mini apps and keep building out clankermon as it is right now
i feel like i feel like rish was talking about that when we talked to him because there was some conversation about that so i would have that conversation with rish and the neynar team before you go do something else just in case to make sure that like they're not already thinking about how to solve that problem because
yeah i i i think at this point when it comes to crypto like i'm done waiting on anybody i'm done trusting that anybody else is gonna do the work true i'm done trusting that like base is gonna scale to a point where you can build these consumer apps that you wanna build so i think especially as software building software gets so much easier yeah as you've got agents becoming actual team members and individual contributors i think this is the time to start taking these shots you're not going to spend months building the app like the mobile version that we have now is like 90% built by an agent with cool a very strong plan that i laid out before and it works and it's like it's not perfect but we can keep it very simple we can get into a test flight people can try it out and if it doesn't work out it says like we don't wanna go out make a whole client experience we can just wrap our mini app in a mobile app and then give it to people anywhere and give them access and they can create a farcaster account on the way in and if they wanna connect to farcaster or connect to base in the future we can make it up with a portal for that to happen i just think yeah now is the time that you can pretty much move faster than ever so you may as well take a stab at it
burr likes your attitude i'm done waiting on people amazing attitude i mean
it's great life advice
for real yeah like for real yeah like can't can't argue with that mhmm alright and then we did have a question about when more social quests
what yeah when when movements when when we can get back in feeds
because like when when when
the more we the more we're in the feeds the more people will ask when they can get in so i'm just trying not to push it too much if you're in the app
don't put the cart before the horse that's smart
you should see an update every like day or two and you should see things changing and hopefully that lets you know that we're still here we're still building and if you're on the outside as soon as we can we'd love to be very loud and vocal again nothing kills me more than doing the work and not talking about it but i also wanna be very careful with managing expectations in the climate that we're currently facing
super smart
it's brutal out there man it is fucking brutal
it's brutal on those streets
yeah so definitely keeping expectations within the reach of things that we can do immediately and trying not to make any promises that are too farfetched until they you can clearly see and put together the pieces from what's out there that it is possible and then i think we can be a bit more braggadocious or brave with the statements we make about what we're doing
awesome i love that adrienne what did i miss
i think we covered it matthew anything else that you wanted to chat about
nothing major i guess i hope everyone's doing okay out there considering everything that's going on yeah whiplash start to twenty twenty six it doesn't seem like the whiplash is gonna stop anytime soon on any of the fronts so i guess strap in
buckle in
hold on yeah hopefully clankermon could be a nice little soothing couple of clicks every day and we're gonna try and make it a lot more entertaining a lot more fun as we get away from this base gas fiasco and yeah
hopefully we'll that question about the i would love to see can you can you do a challenge within a dungeon like like could i challenge burr and like win her clankermon like that would be fun yeah so by the way me challenging burr and winning is like never gonna happen but like in theory
if if it's orangey base you never know but yeah that's a big focus we wanted to go there straight away but every time we in integrate like any kind of more interesting thing it's just been impossible so like the test versions of everything that we're building like the three things we're focused on way more interactive way more competitive and way more ways to collaborate with other players and like i
love that
skills and stuff like that so that's that's
oh that could even be
like where
you where you assemble a team and go against another one that'd be kinda fun too like a little
bit of battle yeah yeah we'll have battles we'll have like cooperative dungeons where you're actually in there playing together and maybe you're playing with bear maybe you let bear down maybe bear lets you down that could be oh never happened yeah yeah
this is like level this is so level 15 bracci come at me that's why i'm like i wouldn't challenge her but you know in theory
yeah you you you wanna do a bit of training before that maybe yeah
quite a bit quite a bit i love that i think the more social it gets the more like that would be more interesting to me like i'm sure that would get more people just diving in on a on a daily basis so i'm like looking forward to
all this stuff the plan yeah we just unfortunately got punched very hard in the face with very expensive bills and i was like right we need to rethink this from the ground up and still somehow keep enough momentum so people don't think we've disappeared after this year i think we managed to do both those things
i think you did
i think unfortunately it meant both of them moved a little bit slower than yeah they might have otherwise but i think given the circumstances and the lineup of everything it was the only way for us and we're almost there
and i think it's a really smart approach too to managing expectations because that's the thing that'll just it'll cause so much fud that it it makes it hard for you to focus on getting the things done that people actually will appreciate so seems like a really smart smart way to approach it
yeah and anytime i say even a little thing like we'll have a blog post out next week and it doesn't make it out that like eats me up inside and i'm very conscious of that community dash so like i'm just very careful not to be like oh yeah we're gonna do all these amazing things and it's gonna be incredible until the line right or the road is clear
i love that yeah adrienne what what else did i forget
go ahead well i love burr's suggestion for a collaborative mode prof trying to trying
add some paper does
she do she just wants to help build your mods up
i know she's so sweet i love that i love that idea i think they'll just there's a lot to that that will you know lead to some good really good outcomes it's also a good way to like bring new people in you know what i mean like oh hey join my team you don't have to start from zero like you can have some fun and don't feel like you're you know just all alone in learning something new so yeah i can totally see
what you're saying yeah exactly
alright
awesome clankermon updates matthew yeah can we
so good
can we pivot and just redirect and while while we're here while we have you
yeah
what do you think about farcaster neynar acquisition and and the state of farcaster these days and your
yeah
bear i have not fully landed where or i haven't fully digested and got to the point of what my perspective on is it i do have like early thoughts and some kind of conflicting thoughts i do think neynar is the absolute best team that this could have gone to rich has always been incredible very hands on even when farcaster was blowing up with frames and djing and everything i text and i get a response at crazy hours in the morning and that's a crazy hours in my morning but also in his morning where he was so always been very impressed by all that and they've been working on the protocol as much as the actual farcaster team has for quite a long time at the same time we did lose an awful lot of very good soldiers as of overall protocol which is kinda disheartening because a lot of them were just incredible at what they do and i admire a lot of them very much i'm very sad to think that we don't have them to lean on anymore or the way that they could think about move on things i am concerned for farcaster the app i'm very definitely optimistic about farcaster the protocol i'm a little bit concerned about farcaster the consumer app and all of the extra work that would require for that to even be a proseemer app that reaches a decent quantity of people i do think it changes the way i think about what we build for an audience on farcaster and what we could build for a broader audience that happens to be on farcaster as two very different things and a big part of me thinks that building things that are on farcaster rather than in farcaster is probably the way forward and will lead to the things being built in farcaster having the best legs possible so that's kinda where laying up at it that's the stream of consciousness that
we're going
through yeah
yeah i mean i think that's a really good point the distinction between the protocol and the client as well so yeah yeah
no that was great and i'm just i i respect you i wanted to kinda hear what your thoughts are i totally get what you're saying in prof i in my mind i was like i just wanna clip what he said because he was talking about he said farcaster like a 100 times in farcaster on farcaster the differences and i was like this only thing gets lost like i knew exactly what you're
but i was like but that doesn't make sense to anyone i know exactly what you mean yeah i'm gonna i
have to find a way to like maybe just put a little like subheading of like protocol client protocol protocol app app client
yeah it's it's just yeah the apps yeah the apps kinda just it's been through so many like weird pr moments in the recent past that it's it's it it's just a hard sell for me to figure out how you could do it like i'm not saying it's impossible but to have the big weird hour wallace to like now we're
like yeah
not really a wallace at all anymore i i just feel like the outside is would be very confused and when you look at the activity that's happening today and you look at the platform diversity that we currently have maybe that is actually the best path forward maybe we are meant to branch off into this multi client thing where yeah there's a shared social layer for the internet that's what inspired me first about farcast too same i was if this works it's a social layer for the entire internet the next twitter or the next whatever app didn't interest me at all in comparison obviously i kinda got a bit swayed when mini apps came along and i got so fixated on like okay this is the ultimate way to have crypto apps that people don't really associate all the crypto baggage with but yeah hopefully
i mean i think that makes sense i think we'll see room
for everybody
i can totally see us having clients that are not what we think of as clients right now but that are a game or that are you know what i mean they're a client in other words they have this sort of throughput to farcaster and they pull the social graph in but they're their own thing and they're not necessarily you're not necessarily seeing a feed or if you are you're only seeing the clankermon channel or you're only seeing like things that mention clankermon and that's it and then you're seeing you know the game or whatever so i i can see this working in a bunch of different ways so i think that we will see some interesting client quote unquote experiments where you're really just pulling in the social graph and and the rest of it's or maybe you're pulling in social graph and wallet i don't know but the rest of it is sort of hidden or you know behind a behind a different wall so to speak yeah
yeah i'm super optimistic about the long term thing of everything and i'm rooting for absolutely everybody who's working on it i just think that we're in a very weird place here on the app that we spend a lot of time on every day
and i still think it's the best place to it's the best place for mvps and it's the best place to start but it's not gonna give you the distribution once you got something really good you're right so you have to you have to think beyond that
but if those apps that go further end up bringing distributions back
right that right
if we if we if we close that loop like we we've never actually seen somebody close that loop and if i think if there is a good example of somebody closing that loop they can be replicated yeah like the the entire social fabric of farcaster doesn't need to be available for everybody from day one maybe it's something that everyone's not even fully cognizant that they have until later down the line when it makes more sense i think we need more accounts on the protocol doing the thing that they're interested in doing whatever that thing is and that could be really interesting down the line when that becomes a bigger thing which is long winded and there's plenty of holes i could poke or anybody could poke in that as well but it i feel like that's our best bet at long term success for a social layer for the internet but i'm cure yeah
i love that
yeah i'm conflicted i'm conflicted i see both sides and i feel both sides and i'm still rooting for everyone this thing's gotta be high even
yeah i agree yeah i think we're all i think we're all feeling the same thing but also i do agree with you also that neynar i think is the best direction at the moment for like farcaster in terms of leadership of like the protocol as well so
yeah and they're very
time will tell yeah
they're very they've they've been very clear doing on that since day one and i think that's gonna play a big part in what makes a social layer for the internet become very interesting is like we're we we've got chaos monkeys coming out the zoo left right and center at the minute like nobody knows where we're gonna be a year from now in terms of like what's happening on the internet or who is the person person or agent or thing or entity or organization doing any of it so yeah there's a lot of balls up in the air and
will they be lobsters or will they be something else nobody knows
yeah lobster thing is gas man the lobster is gas this has been fascinating to be a part of and to watch on the sidelines
i know right do you have
one by the way have you set one up yet
yeah i do yeah i have it on my telegram let's see you in a little bit yeah the everything happened in that world of things is fascinating have you guys been playing with it and you've been messing about
with this i know that adrienne's been using claude code different so i don't and she has and she developed our own agent warpee but i haven't done anything with it i am not qualified yet it is way too early for me so i'll wait a little bit before i set
i think you'd have
a with lot of
it i literally can't even think of like how i would use it like that's so that until i have like a reason like that makes sense a use case that makes sense for my particular life that's actually gonna be worth the time like you know what i will tell you i had one use case and i thought about it this weekend way behind in doing like this this stupid training i need to do for my university and i'm like now this will be a good use case for clodbot here go take all this training that i think is stupid anyway and but i think there's legal problems with that so we won't do that
maybe if you're on the record saying it
yeah especially when i
just put it on camera
but i was that was the first time i had like you know this would be useful but also not a good idea but i just don't see right now for me but because i don't you know code or i'm you know i'm using neynar app studio that's about my level of coding at the moment so yeah
i think if you can find ten minutes to go through the hassle of setting it up on a different computer
that's the thing yeah
it's a b it's a b test yeah a little bit of a process but there are plenty of tutorials and it would take you about ten minutes i think if you get that set up and you get it in telegram with you and you just start throwing things at us you'll start going all sorts of places
i mean and you also just said telegram which is probably the thing i despise more than anything so it's like i don't wanna do that
you know same i i was the same i but i i was the exact same even on x i had like fuck telegram probably on farcaster in my bio for the longest time ever and a a handful of group chats kept me on telegram but this whole yeah clogbot openclog mootbot whatever the fuck we're gonna be calling next week yeah that got me actually doing something on telegram and the first thing i got to do was build a telegram mini app shell for itself so now mainly what my one does is it looks into different things for me and then creates a system to keep track of those and then a dashboard where i can look at these things and that's like literally all it is so if i have a talk through today like i wonder how many people are casting off base or farcaster or whatever client today and then it goes off pulls all that data creates a dashboard says looking at different information about the users on both clients and it's like these things that i would love to spend six hours on i just kinda asyncly assign to this okay character on my phone who has nothing but a neynar api key and an alchemy api key so i can check anything on chain and anything on neynar and that's all it can do it has no access to any other credentials i just build these useful little widgets and apps and notifies you about stuff that's literally all it does for now
okay interesting worth playing you haven't you haven't set one up either yet right
no and i i literally just got cloud code set up matthew last it was last sunday night so i'm like one week in using claude code in the term and i'm blown away
yeah she's
been blown away at how good it is so i'm like oh all the hype because when everyone's hyping i'm like a month behind everyone so when everyone's talking about how good cloud code is i was like look i'm using my cursor in copilot and i'm fine because i just didn't have the bandwidth to figure out something new and then i did it and i was like oh so my what is it what do what what's is it what's is it was it molt is it open clawed what's the
yeah it's open clawed man open clawed man yeah open clawed
there's there's open clawed i liter yeah
i will get it set up but but i'm gonna be about a month behind everyone else and in a month from now i'll be like oh it's amazing but not i didn't do it yet yeah
talk to me
talk to me a year from now
exactly i i think like even today a lot of out of the box security issues resolved so like being a little bit behind these things is typically a good thing
yeah that's my that's my rule of thumb since the beginning of time of like you guys upgrade the first thing i will get it in the point o two like let me know when it let me you guys get the first bugs out i don't need the first thing i'll take the
fifth version it's fine yeah
yeah
i'm fine
but i think all the like complex or abstractness of the setup like we're gonna see a million user friendly versions of this setup in the next few weeks where you just sign up with an email or whatever or your phone number or whatever they spin up a little computer in the cloud for you with your little agent in there you can give it more resources over time as you get it to do more but i think just getting people from like a to c not to z just to c with this stuff will really open people's eyes in what it can do because i i do think we are in the year of everybody will have an actual like digital assistant if not a whole digital team for these different ideas and projects and workflows of different scope and complexity but if you think clog code is amazing now the if with something like this you're giving clog code a different brain and then you get to talk to a person and they do the clog coding like it's interesting it's definitely worth the play but you're not missing out massively
yeah but when you say with did you just say within a year everyone's gonna have one
i think within a year it's gonna be super common for anybody to have one i don't think it'll be a weird thing for people to have one i think workplaces will probably be the first place to like integrate it like slacks and stuff yeah i think that's where a lot of people will experience it first
but i i don't think the other side of that bet
i don't i don't think you'll have to run an open claw but i
think uh-huh
we will move from everybody who's chat talking to a chat gpt today and getting answers to things would be moving to something that's a lot more actionable yeah
that makes sense
but
yeah yeah either way maybe not a little research assistant
we have chaos monkey in the chat i just wanted to point that out yeah burr at worst is the chaos monkey yeah it's a cute chaos monkey though i do i think that's probably true you'll see a lot more people i don't know if it'll be everyone but it'll certainly be you know you've got your early early adopters your early adopters and then the crew i'm usually somewhere in that range like that crew will be on doing all the things and probably the next group under that like students and things like that you know what i mean who may not be necessarily computer science students but they're a little more tech tech first yeah so
for sure well i think
i just think there's a whole population of people who are very anti 100% they're so talking about oh if you're using chatgpt you're gonna use an agent totally but there's so many people who
they're anti ai anti yeah
just like don't
it's a whole other whole other thing and this stuff just gives them like everything that's being posted whether real or not is giving them
so much more confirmation bias it's confirmation bias not like so much more ammunition yeah yeah
well i i just think
like it's not real
yeah i i just think once it's useful
both jumps like it's not real
yeah i think once it's once someone gets used out of it though i think it just makes in their brain changes like i think we need it in a form factor for it to have an i four moment for everybody but like even notion and their agents which they'll be rolling out soon i think once you've got a little agent in the tool that you use every day i think that counts if they're sophisticated enough but simple to use i think you're gonna be very surprised how quickly the tune kinda changes there but maybe not maybe not maybe not i'm sure people were very rejected with the horses back in the
day as well but we got craze eventually they absolutely were
were camera yeah i wonder how long it'll take and i i definitely am being over ambitious by saying everybody well
chad gpt was the quickest adoption ever like literally ever yeah any kind of technology going back to the the carriage yeah going back to the car like it was they i remember seeing a chart about that and it was the quickest adoption that we've ever had of technology so i think you're you're correct in that regard i think it'll be much faster than we anticipate yeah we're just moving at moving at the speed of light here
yeah ever since december anyway i feel like december mid december something just switched it's been differences
i think as soon as dan started using claude i think that was the flip the tipping point
that was the tipping point was it dwr
d w r started like oh you
know what the mean world in three times
amazing you're like oh my god the english majors using podcode there's the tipping point
yeah
alright adrienne anything else before we let matthew get get back to building our amazing new clankermon worlds
no it's so fun having you on though matthew
just love listening to your accent
are we seeing are you going to farcon rome
oh yeah definitely for sure yeah amazing it's only over it's only over the road
i know yeah it's it's no excuses
you get to take like you get to take ryanair there because i just wanna take ryan i just wanna take ryanair somewhere i love them their ceo is so irish in the best possible way
definitely get like some side trips in you could probably spend like $50 on side trips and see like four countries like
crazy yeah yeah alright we're gonna let you go thanks so much for popping by this has been amazing and again this was our clankcaster spotlight waiting for the clank
there it is thank you so much matthew that has been that was amazing such a great chat and thank you to the chat you guys had some good comments good questions adrienne has a clankermon she just let it die it's a different question she had one it died it died
i really yeah i i really do love the whole aesthetic of of all the clankermons that's like
love it
they're so cute the the the the app is super cute i'm just i'm not meant to be a game background sorry yeah sorry matthew
she's couldn't keep it alive hey you know that would be another reason to have collaborative like teams and then yeah like that you could help keep other people's stuff alive or something have a
little mascot to have a little gm farcaster yeah
like a
little team and then we'd help keep keep each other's clankermons alive or something yeah she met a new one he died during vacation that's exactly it
yeah do it again 10 out of 10 go on vacation yeah
let them clankermon die i finally it just kept happening so i finally was like okay i'm gonna revive one but i'll wait on the others until i'm more focused okay we have a few more things that we wanna cover first of all we won the auction on qr and i was not paying attention i literally didn't see this until like a couple hours after we won it like four hours later i'm like how did we win this and then i look and it was because yes2crypto would join our bid and pushed us over the top so thank you but also the secret thing here's the secret thing we were kinda trying not to win
but i love you
happy to win
but we love you and we're happy to win secret happy to win but we were kinda just trying to stay towards the top with our auto vid for a little bit but you know it was a good day to win it was a great day to win because you had just redone the mini app so it actually the timing worked out great and oh that's funny can my clodbot keep my clanker now there's a use case keep my clankermons alive yes that's a good use case that would be a great use case for that so anyway we won qr
this is might be behind a little like because we were talking about horses ten minutes ago but this is actually hilarious
cars over horses i agree
this from snoova just woke up and checked out the qr winner for today and i have to say adrienne the gm farcaster app is clean turn on notice for showtimes good work everyone so yeah if you haven't been in the q r mini app go check it out and when you click on it it will i think it's not gonna work on here but it will give you a little push to go look at the latest winner which is us and then oh might be somebody else now
are we
out already we're out already well it was yesterday
it's the fastest twenty four hours ever
i know today it's neynar toadies or toads i'm not sure which but go check it out you can see this every single day there's a new winner driving attention to that winner and then you get to claim some qr for doing so so thanks for checking out the gm farcaster app yesterday and thank you again yes2crypto you're just the best this from ruminations i missed this somehow i don't know how this was like nine days ago i'm excited to share ten days ago that compreni and nifty time are joining quotient as cofounders they previously built farcaster apps like tippin and cofounded scent best known for selling nft of jack dorsey's first tweet compreni will lead product and engineering and nifty time will lead partnerships and community quotient started as a reputation layer for farcaster over the last year more than a dozen teams and indie developers have integrated our platform guiding over 200 k of capital distribution today we're entering our next phase a platform that backs people based on how they think and make decisions i'm grateful for the builders and early community who helped shape what quotient is today more to come soon and i've been chatting with ruminations to try and find time to get him on gm farcaster so we're gonna try and do that over the next couple weeks and talk more about what they're building next but very cool this from greg everything's slowly loading today but this was funny speaking of horses horse facts dropping side projects again call it horse hacks so we have some new horse hacks and this was what he built i created a site called clanker news to explore erc eight zero zero four x40 two and zk passport it's a hacker news clone where eight zero zero four registered agents pay to post and zk passport verified humans vote if you're human scan your passport to create an account if you're an agent start at docs please do not launch larp coins associated with this project there is no token the ticker is clanker and i he should've added an i l y after that i love you ticker is clanker so that's really cool i love that that's a really good idea
that's that's a yeah
it's a great idea so go check it out i don't think i have a zk passport i may have to set that up
do you know what all those things are erc 8,004 x42
that's for agents i know x42 is for
agents pay the payment protocol
payment right and i think erc 8,000 or $800.04 is also it's yeah it's all registered agents to pay to like they have it's the way that they it's all for agents specifically and zk password is for people it's my understanding am i wrong am i right is that correct sound right
sounds right to me
sound good alright good i gotta i gotta brush up on some of this my class is starting soon in in march and there's a lot of new stuff i need to go over so i need to dig in it's time to dig in
yeah and zk passport obviously must be a zero knowledge proof where you can prove humanity proof proof of human without having to
yeah i think i i can't remember if if it's it's not the same as the i think i had set up like gitcoin password i think that's different from z k password pretty sure this from our friend limone for i'm excited that matthew fox will be at farcon first piece of the farcon room puzzle is dropping today we're kicking things off with an online boot camp with dev three pack cc estav helping aspiring builders ship their first mini app from zero to launch and word on the street is that farhack might be coming back in a new form bigger sharper and more impactful than ever so check this out this is the road to farcon starts here we believe farcaster is the best place for builders to ship in real time get real time feedback and grow we agree that's why from march second to thirteenth we're partnering with dev three pack to deliver our first ever online boot camp to help aspiring builders deploy their farcaster mini apps expect five technical sessions and a final demo day to showcase projects a journey to build in public connect with mentors and ship a viral mini app if you're an aspiring builder join the journey if you are a farcaster enthusiast be ready to give feedback and help the ecosystem grow ready register link below spots are limited so if you are interested in this go check this out and get signed up so that's pretty fun alright you ready here we go saved it for the end should i
change my background
yes this would be the time to change your background i think i'm gonna actually hold on i think i need to change mine too no i'll leave mine okay so this happened over on twitter proxy like okay i have a moment proxy for some reason likes to poke and strat is a good word or like brag a little bit and was talking about various things about like how bankr was getting all these fees and if it wasn't for them clanker would be toast and all the stuff and like then saying clanker is the launchpad on base and deployer immediately said we're gonna fork i was like what this was related to bankr being responsible for 87% of the clanker volume over like a short period of time last week because actually they've probably been responsible for a while but because of the agents that were launching tokens they had access to a skill that deployer had launched on mold book and was putting out there so agents could then launch tokens and that led to this real uptick in fees because people were launching some pretty popular you know clawd and mold book and claw openclaw all these tokens and that was what was going on there so there was a this led to some discussion and some frustration by some people about whether or not clanker's done enough to sort of keep bankr in the fold but also i think there's this shouldn't be that surprising that they might want to do their own thing where they just they're growing in a different direction especially in terms of working with other agents and just different things that they're integrating bankr is a pretty complex system i don't know if system's not the right word but they have the terminal plus the various ai agents integrated in you know twitter and farcaster and base app and xmtp and all these different places that it kinda makes sense that they might be exploring this as a standalone launch platform rather than being integrated into clanker we saw the cast from the reply from rish that yes they are talking with deployer so who knows how this might all go down but what's interesting and what happened was when that little discussion happened over on twitter clanker's price started to go down and bankr's price started to go up everything since did this since that moment in time because the market overall went like this so that's what's going on there people have a lot of feelings but hey there you go
speaking of bankr speaking of bankr i didn't realize i didn't think about yes if you turn it's episode three three seven we love the 30 sevens if you turn three three seven upside down it reads lee yeah it does yes it does our friend emily junior the the champion of drb which was launched by bankr and what is the name of bankr we were trying to coordinate that and then we just couldn't get it together but we will we will we'll make that happen alright we've got one more thing to talk about here we go here we go
deep breath this from derek come on load for my computer's like i'm done i'm tired can we go home now not yet we're not done yet sir why doesn't this wanna load for me like even it even the computer does not wanna talk about this so this is from derek everyone i'm working on a new thing full time it started as a birthday labs project and has become its own larger thing and will be taking all of my time rather than prolonging the inevitable i wanna be clear the new thing is a separate company and product with a team it's not a rebrand or migration people have previously bet on native as a bet on me and because of that tie there's a lot of frustration and anger i get that i've made a lot of mistakes over the last year and i hope there is some understanding there from you all it's hard there's also a lot of folks who are excited about what's next they trust me to do what's right by native holders that's my plan i will continue to use my personal capital to buy native i want to find ways to reward that belief in me as it's allowed me to build over the last year but i'll be honest i won't make new promises about it what i can promise is that i'm personally invested in finding the best path forward for people who have supported me via native and i'll prove that what i can also say for certain native holders will receive access to the new product is which is built snapshots are being taken so i have a record of who supported native and me the new direction infrastructure with a dataset that doesn't exist on chain yet while not related it's in the same domain as native marrying our economy on chain for native i'm happy to work with folks who want to work on the idea there is a ton of code written for dots agents and native context i'm happy to open source it hand it over etcetera if there's a plan in place i'm happy to help fund the cost of run running it i'm happy to give over fees to a new group there's still a path forward for native as a project if the community wants it there's no easy way to wind down a project when there's an associated token there's a lot of accusations and frustration and misunderstandings i hope that when you step back you see that i've used my real identity so that i have to directly deal with this head on constantly been communicative the best no but i'm here open a feedback and ideas here tried to do the right thing with my ownership pushed through difficult times that made it hard for native including base clanker and farcaster turmoil over the last year once again i'm so grateful for those of you who understand the difficulty here and who have been supportive thank you couple things not in the original cast i should have simultaneously posted here on farcaster this conversation started in the native telegram last night which is what the overnight price performance reflects two i'm first and foremost a builder native happened to be the first project that got some traction here on farcaster and i doubled down on it immediately the vision was large and aggressive from the beginning and i could have been more clear about the risks yeah those two things but couple takeaways and then to kinda then we'll discuss i have thoughts this from burr i think we can all take away a few things from this native exit one most crypto projects are going to fail first and foremost wrap your head around that one i think that's important two never go all in in one experimental small cap project three never blatantly trust only a few people in your life have earned this and i promise you they aren't crypto devs
four watch for warning signs and red flags when exits happen you don't wanna be surprised comms falling off dev other projects talking about speak with your wallet no one really cares about your 3,000 character rants five take responsibility and learn from your mistakes blaming others and crying in the casino won't get your money back but learning might what went wrong how can i protect myself in the future when do red flags start to appear how diligent am i being and then six don't give up and then you pulled this one i would probably not have
i have feelings about this particular person as well you could summarize it i'm just waiting for it to come up and i will so okay this is from ace listen to me and listen to me good you already lost me friends this is long but this is how i truly feel i'm not reading this whole thing i'm about to stay at the trench today degens get mad at builders who give it their shot whether it be one day or one year and decide to take profit or just fold should just burn their wallet and seal their mouths i noticed that people like derek alex and many other fc builders okay alex isn't really an fc builder and many other builders get criticized for pivoting away from their products' coins but if you can't handle that risk instead of criticizing them just pack your shit and invest in established companies like nvidia and apple who have been battle tested i mean not bad advice there i have lost a lot of money or won some while aping into legit builders some even close friends' projects but as someone who has built and folded one too many times yes you have i can tell you this the pressure that pulverizes one's sanity while building something experimental is immense nobody is forcing anyone to invest that finger that press buy is yours please please do consider yourself a board member of a public company when you ape 1,000 do not consider 1,000 to a meme coin with a product attached to it ipos exist for a reason to graduate nurtured enough ideas into the company's adulthood where it may still falter but has some level of proven legitimacy with a public facing identity of its owner i guess i am gonna read this whole thing tokenization of entrepreneurship will never materialize till the culture of degenship matures to the next stage and may never get there due to human nature don't hate the players hate the game the game right now is inherently designed to encourage exploitations till the game is refined whether mechanically or culturally we will never see a long term michael jordan come out of this space imagine a ufc game where the fighter loses after giving it their all yet they're booed and beaten post fight again not preaching kinda i have been to both sides of the game we are just humans we feel good when we win and we get mad when we lose but do not shit on the players who are covered in dirt even if they liquidate all their shit before folding i don't blame them i just blame me for believing then move on okay
okay i like bursting though but
we didn't pull by the way these were some summaries right
this is there was a lot
you didn't necessarily pull any of the accusations and like the feelings of
the i'll let those let those play out
people you're assuming people have scanned the feed and have that context of there's people who had bought into native and were feeling betrayed and like that the
product get those feelings i think some of it was valid i think that so derek communicates a lot but not always about his project so do i think there was a big misstep by posting it only on telegram absolutely like 100% like that should have happened simultaneously i know it's hard to manage but at least you would have given people a heads up and then all those kinds of things also he just announced that he was hiring so that was another point at which maybe that's when that announcement should have happened mhmm so you know i can see i think those are some valid criticisms especially if you're holding a significant stake in there i get you might feel a little there's some folks who've had conversations with their like it's that goes a little deeper and i i take their perspective differently than somebody who you know bought a $100 worth and is bitching like they lost their life savings like i can't on that one it's like adults have agency and get over yourself so i think there's a bunch of things going on here where i take issue with ace's post is there is pivoting to different things but there's pivoting to different things while extracting a lot of value and and not i don't know like and if you oversell that's where i have problems with your approach i don't feel like derek did a lot of overselling mhmm so i don't think it's necessarily in the same vein but ace could be at times pretty pretty much a hype really really into the hype i think alex is very similar so i i feel like those two are a little different from derek in that regard and i'm gonna parse that a little bit and this is kinda deep in the weeds and if you may not know who these folks are if you haven't spent a lot of time on on farcaster or playing in this particular space somebody mentioned moxie i think that's another person who kinda fits into that category is betashop
no one mentioned moxie it was just a it was just a letter m
no it was there yeah okay but there was a letter m as well
we didn't know what we were doing okay
yeah there was an m as well so you know i think there's there's different i'm i fully get the pivot you have to pivot sometimes some things just don't work you've tried them you put everything every effort into it it's just not gonna work you need to make some adjustments especially if you have investors very you know that's a bigger issue than people who are holding a a token i take those two things very differently mhmm so i don't really have a problem with pivots i have a i have more of an issue with sometimes the way in which they're communicated or or the rapid pivot like there's a pivot where you've been working on this thing for a couple years like you know i don't see a lot of people talking about farcaster in this vein as well and it's like come on they did this for five years and they also returned all the funds to the investor and they turned it over to a team that's you know gonna take care of it very well like very different from we tried see you guys bye you know like that's not the same and i feel like sometimes that happens in this space and that is very frustrating if you've put a lot in gotten a lot of promises and yes is it your fault for trusting is a lot of that you know is it is it as much on you as them absolutely but it doesn't mean i'm gonna trust you again and there are some people and i can give you the list and two of them we've already talked about three of them we've already talked about today well i don't know one of them might i might give you know another shot and there's a couple others like i have a handful that like i see your project and i'm like mm-mm no someone else can go
oh you're saying but then this person though will always find other people then who don't know their history
exactly you
know and kind of in they and like here's
the new shiny thing here's here you go you know it's like here's the new shiny thing very different from matthew fox who we just talked to like they've been working on clankermon still working on clankermon is everything going in a straight line and exactly on the timeline they would like no but they're not fully pulling a rug they're not like we've decided to you know go do something completely different now you know it's like there's different ways of approaching it so that's where i that's where some of my criticism and frustration will come in is there's certain
people when i read ace's i don't like in my mind i didn't read it through the lens of ace being a founder himself
oh i did
i read it through the lens of like this is someone on farcaster
oh mm-mm
and i fully read that through the lens of and the reality is
defensiveness of themselves
you're saying you can okay yeah you can launch a token yeah for a project and not ship anything but talk about it and get people to do it and you're earning from that where nothing gets delivered
you know and there's different things like people experimenting with little app like we've done this we are experimenting with little apps or spamming with little games you lay out exactly what you're doing and then it's up for you know if people wanna buy the token and speculate on it go ahead but be careful and we're always like be careful you know like this is what we're doing we're not gonna be pumping this like crazy like this is for this purpose and i think that's different than this is gonna be the best thing that you've ever seen ever and you know it like you get a full infomercial on it and that to me changes the equation
so well there's two things to talk about right there's kind of like the evaluate the founder yeah and what's the founder playbook yeah and what and then it's like the individual who now has your like the ability to buy tokens that are associated with a that a founder launches
right
you're not invest it's not an investment because there's no no guarantee you're not buying anything you're buying you don't get any activity buying the project yeah there yeah
yeah and
i guess my feeling i really i i think burr kinda summed up what i was feeling as well which is by the way so i know we've has derek been on before he didn't come on to talk about native
we never got we talked yeah yeah
we but i know talked about it over there when it launched
yep
i did not own any native i didn't really follow in detail what the project was i know derek from farcaster i've met him at a dev day like i like his casts like you know but i didn't really know what he was building so all i know like so what i picked up on this weekend is people being angry that they were invested in a token and nothing was delivered and my feeling is you chose to buy a you chose to buy into a token at whatever value right and that token is liquid yeah so every single day you're kind of keep choosing like if you're not selling it you're choosing to buy it and it's a little bit of don't do that if you don't really i don't know like there's there's risk in it and
and i like this from for in the chat manage expectations properly is one of the best things matthew fox does mismanaging expectation is how grifters farm fees yeah so and i don't think necessarily wouldn't even the people that i'm thinking of who i wouldn't necessarily i wouldn't jump in with both feet into anything that they do from this point forward because i felt like okay i've seen you i know i know your deal i don't necessarily think they're grifters like i wouldn't use that term necessarily other people might i wouldn't but like i and i don't think that about derek whatsoever but i still think there's better ways to communicate number one from the founder perspective but also adults have agency this is all on you guys that's the bottom line you know no crying in the casino is there for a reason like that is a serious like thing like you you're making the choice to purchase this token or not if the token is being used in a particular app i think that makes it a much clearer expectation like for clankermon's a great example of that or you know it's just a good day for this bracky is another one like here's this token here's how you use it in this app it may go up and down but here's the use cases for it you can choose whether or not this is valuable to you like we're not giving you any guarantees that this particular token is going to go through the roof and you're gonna get rich off of it we're just telling you this is what this token does so what would the token do okay we are definitely chat speak speaking of okay
since he's
in the chat now she's spot on totally fair on your criticism always appreciate attention to nuance here thank you and i also appreciate you noting the difference between about to try to go about things and how other infamous projects have
i was the first one to note that hiring post is what triggered the tg conversation in the midst of that i did lose sight of effective communication i appreciate you noting that and it was a big mistake on my part and i'll wear it forever you don't have to wear it forever i think it's more of like learn from it and and try to you know just make sure and i think not just you it's like learn from it collectively that you know we have to be a little better with communication and setting expectations it's not like you have to wear this you know scarlet letter for the end of time
totally because you have to make it like you have to let people fail like projects will fail so and you gotta let people try things you gotta let people try things and you gotta let people fail otherwise you know it's
gonna be
i think it's how you do it you know and and the way and i think that's important and i feel like you're doing the best you can to manage you know the fallout of this and that's pretty much at this at this point all we can ask and hopefully you know other folks learn from from the situation
alright poor cat poor catwalk just came in the came in the door you're gonna have to go back because we're almost done we're overdone okay yeah i won't wear a scarlet letter forever but i'll wear oops i'll wear
yes oh
a scar forever yeah i get it yeah i mean and there's a lot and anyone who's done anything like if you have been building businesses if you're an entrepreneur if you have lived life you have scars you have you have learning moments and we all have them and we've all you know not handled things as best as we could one thing that's gotten better for me and not always good i'm not always great at it but i am a little better about not saying the things i wanna say on the timeline all the time they don't even go in a draft folder but i i i but you just
can't say he's just saying
yeah this weekend i typed a little something to somebody right before deployer came back with we're gonna fork i was annoyed with and i'm like i'm annoyed i'm annoyed with you and i i wrote this whole big thing out and i'm like there is no point to this there's no reason for this like just let it go and i did but yeah i think that's the biggest thing we can do is just just just keep going just keep going
i the last thing i'll say and i said this to you i think before we started but my take on all of this and and unfortunately derek whatever happened with derek and native this weekend everybody brings their own like history with it so it's like oh i got burned by another founder who did this like therefore you know this so it's really complicated that you can't just talk about native or i can't just so that's what makes it hard what was i gonna say oh the only thing i would say just kind of not specific about native but just in general to all of this is i think one of the beauties of social media is you get to see people live out their thoughts even if they're lying yeah yeah even if it's all lies like you it's all out there so you can kind of have information for you like and and it just i just think think people can't really lie forever
yeah true true
true you can't earn yeah trust madoff actually did it quite long quite quite a long time
impressive and super impressed well think about that you've got bernie madoff you've got spf and spf like speedrun he was like speedrun madoff like because of the digital age but if it had been you know he couldn't have gotten away forever except for the fact that a lot of that was on paper and dot dot matrix printing you know what i mean like that's the
reason
have him for me but my point is everyone has this is going back to the individual adults have agency yeah you have a responsibility to educate yourself by the way everyone is welcome to invest in public companies i said public companies are liquid i did agree with that farcon
i totally agree with that
yeah public companies are liquid and they are required to comply with regulations and if they do they go to jail so they have fiduciary responsibilities to their owners yeah there's transparency they have to have audited financials like there's there's a certain amount okay so you're welcome to do that even in the private market if you're raising funds you can't raise from just anybody you have to only raise from accredited investors and there's a lot of critiques against that but the reason that like the reason there's laws is because people got hurt yeah and crypto is the wild west there's no laws
there's no laws right now there's or very limited so and you have to be you have to yeah it's definitely when we say d y o r we mean it and when we say it literally we mean it like
like don't just like yeah like do for real do yourself go get like
teach yourself things but also you know i i would say to probably a lot of folks who buy tokens and and i'm sure you know for native or whatever whatever token you know they're taking they're it's a little gamble it's and it's the same thing with honestly investing in startups is a gamble that's why vc funds invest you know they take a fund they invest in 10 or 20 and they hope that one hits like because they know the other ones aren't going to like that's just the way it is so you're doing the same with tokens in a way and you're hoping it hits it doesn't mean it doesn't mean that you know it absolves all behavior totally
or
all all approaches but it you have to take your own agency on that and i'm very much a live and let live kind of person i definitely have libertarian leanings of like you need to own your shit kinda thing so that's where a lot of that comes from
gonna save you
yeah i'm not gonna blame i really you know if i lose money on something i don't think i've ever blamed a founder regardless of their behavior like regardless of what you know they did because that was on me i made that choice i made that decision i hoped for a better outcome it didn't work out you know oh well things happen
mhmm
so that's my approach to it but everyone's gonna be a little different it it's yeah stuff out there anyway
well i talked about that for a lot longer than i
thought we would kinda do
thought it
was gonna take a while so i put it at the end thank you burr we try and thank you derek you know we it's the other thing is even when i have opinions of like there's so many people in my head like get me some time where you get me in person and unrecorded and i will tell you a few other things about some of these projects but you'll see you know i will use my wallet to to tell you how i feel so a lot of the times and sometimes it's and and if i think there's gonna be a misinterpretation of that i will let you know as well because there's times where i just sell things for various reasons but i you know i'll tell you that i read everything that derek had wrote i have not a lot of native but i have some i kept i held it i'm like i wanna see what he does next i don't think there's any point of me selling right now i don't have a ton i'm just gonna wait and see what happens yeah and you know see what comes next so that's all yeah i needed to let this out nice
so therapy therapy hour with gm farcaster yeah
you know too you know
and yeah i hope and i hope i don't come across too like don't buy any tokens it's fun
no like buy tokens yeah somebody else said that in there like that that's what we're saying we're not saying that at all it's just like well do it with open eyes
i tend to say it
do it with open eyes like understand what you're buying
i do tend to say it
i know you do but i don't i don't really well
my feeling like my advice is like if you're gonna like just go build something that's building's really hard so it's like you know it's
the other thing is when you're buying tokens for some builder like if somebody's building an app that's what i mean by like when i look at something like a clankermon or a bracky or whatever or better like i know where the i know what these tokens are doing like i know and if i lose money on it i don't care i'm putting in a small amount i know what the use case is it's supporting a builder i don't care so that is my personal take in but i'm also putting in right you know manageable amount of money that i don't care if i lose it so it's a different some
people just want yaktion in their wallets i've heard
they do they just want yaktion in their wallets like some people do like that's the thing like sometimes you just want that token because it's more of a like souvenir than anything you know you know it's not gonna be your generational wealth anyway okay so on wednesday by the way by the way we have we have jacek not yak shit jacek coming on wednesday 08:30am to chat about degen somebody's had some pivots and most of it not necessarily you know ones that he really wanted but we're gonna chat and we're gonna chat about what's next with the degen app so that'll be wednesday we'll be back at our early 08:30am european friendly time
see exactly when she sees yak shit in her wallet she laughs there you go exactly
that's priceless right what would you pay in this world in this in this this how
yak shit in your wallet isn't it worth a couple dollars yeah
oi alright
this is why i'm and i have speaking of the other token the other token oi oi get some oi in your wallet alright
and by the way this is why we have not launched a token if you're wondering we have like associated we've done we've experimented with things but it's like we haven't really done a project token
we haven't done a gm farcaster token so if there's one out there it's not us and we didn't do it
well there's a paragraph one
and besides paragraph one that's different again it's something that was tied to
stream one
something we were using no we don't have a stream one we only have our own on purpose okay we i do actually have a mini app that's launching sometime soon in the next couple days it will have a token the token will be useful only in the mini app don't go crazy you're not gonna earn generational wealth on it i'm telling you right now you've been told but it'll be fine
when you buy those tokens for these apps like think of it like going to the arcade and you put like your $5 in and you get
your coins and
you play with them and you're not like where's my $5 and why isn't it 20
yeah and if you guys have are still holding something like steve holly or buff or something that i've done before you're gonna get an airdrop of the new token to use in the mini app so just know that and you have a mini app you've been experimenting with it's a lot of fun in word a day so if you're seeing really weird words and you're like what is that word that's probably where it's coming from
yes why is everyone why is everyone having a sublime saturday
sublime saturday or you know seeing lots of salient points that might be why
lucid dreaming yesterday on the timeline what's that there's lot of lucid dreaming
on the timeline yesterday lucid dreaming i missed a couple days i missed a couple days i'm i'm like that with word games anyway no crying in the arcade everybody have a fabulous day we will be back wednesday we'll see you at 08:30am eastern or catch our recording later for the late sleepers like burr i would say the west coast but doesn't no no she just there's no way we're gonna see her in 08:30 chat it's been fabulous hanging with you all thank you matthew fox for jumping on for our clankcaster spotlight that was awesome really excited for what's next with clankermon and with that everybody anything else adrienne before i wrap this up no alright and with that everyone
it's a while i just actually i just shout out daniel for giving me a background i it's a bit
it's perfect
it's perfect he's he's being memed on farcaster as we speak
i love it alright everybody we'll see you wednesday and with that everyone bye bye
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