Transcript: Clanker Upgrades & Timeline Meltdowns: GM Farcaster ep341 presented by Clanker

okay why am i getting some lag little lag we got a little lag i think we're good

slow today twitter like doesn't like us anymore lots of fun things so yeah welcome back oh yeah we're having trouble streaming great great great okay we're gonna remove that oh there's something else that's just

yeah yeah so we're having problems with that i haven't checked the other ones lately anyway and yeah so good good times

i'm so glad to see you though hi we haven't even had a chance to catch up

no it's been really quiet nothing's going on nothing to catch up on

i was

what were you doing last week was that behind is that your background beautiful

and lovely did how was the snow that does not look snowy was it snowy

okay

okay good

not being so nice right now

friends sending me photos and images and i'm just like yeah i'm fine thanks never coming back which is the conversation i have with my family every time snow hits so anyway we have a lot to catch up on we have a lot to go through we have to

we have a lot to dive into and we need to actually retweet some things because things have changed over on twitter and they don't necessarily post for us anymore so anyway we're gonna do that we'll be back after this little intro and we'll see you on the other side of this sixty seven seconds

okay gm farcaster it is monday february 23 and you are here with nounish prof and adrienne for i'm not even gonna say twenty nine minutes because let's be real it's gonna take us a little longer than that today but we're gonna get you caught up on everything that has been going on with farcaster over the past week and i'm trying to get things tweeted out because lord help me it's just not great so hopefully we can get

that would be great yeah so anyway this is and the so the other the other issue is that if it doesn't post it then it doesn't save the recording in an easy to find place so that's the other reason we need to to do these things i'm also trying to figure out if i can i don't think i can jump into some of the other locations so anyway if you're over on twitter please give us a retweet if you are watching on farcaster or any other place also share that let us know and yeah we're just gonna we're just gonna dive in right now i think we gotta start with the most important thing and i don't know if you even saw this adrienne but the icon icons have changed position

like we gotta start with you know the really big news first and that things have moved again so the search is back up just at the top the casting button still having you know it's it's in it's still moving around

which you know we could we could figure that out

it's over now so you know i like to start with the most important thing first and we'll we'll start there but for real here's our twenty nine seconds of farcaster what did you miss this weekend and this is just this weekend so we're gonna we're gonna jump back to last week as well for a couple of very big things but this was over the weekend it was pretty quiet but here are a few things definitely of note aphrochix continues to kill it on x with a new gym bot and this morning we still released a beginner's guide to vibe coding check this out there's a couple links there cassie had a x space or twitter space last night to discuss forking and decentralization you can listen to it here we'll also talk a little bit more about that in just a bit betterment has a huge art contest running with 4,000 usdc in prizes for their upcoming v three with infinite rounds i think that actually says $4,000 i think it's 4,000 in betterment to be clear eve denver is coming on and we have some some nice posts about that to talk about and then bradq went on i didn't see much but kmacb kmacb summary that beeple had the exhibition right i actually didn't pull that cast but beeple did a you know did a little did his thing about what it what it's ever looked like pretty scarce but as always the people in gatherings are worth the price of admission the dude bribe would confirm the purple people vibe was high and then a little note that we are back today after a week off and we're gonna get into a little bit more on all those things but we've got a few more things to check-in about first i thought this was kind of cool from we had a lot of claude bot a lot of open a lot of that going on and in case folks missed it there are some easy ways to get your bot account signed up so i thought this was great from jonathan colton hey neynar i created a clawbot and i wanna give it a farcaster account tell me what to do and it goes through all the steps one two three create a signer use the neynar sdk you can also yeah you can get them just to sign up there is a dollar fee i believe still for ai agents it's free for humans but there is a a slight charge and that is just to control spam register and confirm make it cast bonus bio and pfp with update user so it doesn't look like a feral demon which we like the demon i don't know neynar neynar throwing shade at the warplits i don't know what that's about and then if you want this one click use neynar app studio it'll handle auth and signers for you ship the claw make it weird so neynar has set everything up to make it easier for the ai agents to do their thing which is great this from rish restarting farcaster dev calls this month so it's starting to wednesday starting february 25 twelve noon pacific same monthly structure as previous we'll iterate as needed and there is a google meet link this link will be in our show notes for today so you can find it there or look at rish's account on farcaster definitely recommend if you are developing on farcaster to check that out i'm sure there's gonna be a lot updates in this first one especially did you get a nice little valentine's gift by the way you did

yours is significant i thought it was about i'm like what is going on like why did i just suddenly receive money and it was the warp's refund so they had sent out i guess they were doing some accounting cleanup and they had sent out a refund for if you were still holding any warps that are no longer useful for anything so they sent out refunds so if you got like this random usdc that's what it was from from farcaster so

i was wondering that wanna know you know what else i was wondering i actually checked this goose i didn't see anything there either he already moved it right out moved it right out or did a little like switcher swapparoo i think he might have swapped it to brachy i'm not sure but i was i was wondering some of the ones who had like massive amounts of warps for those who don't know there was a time where you could token gate channels and have people pay in warps to use it so some of the people who were running channels ended up with a lot of warps and the memes channel in particular had a massive amount of warps come in so i'm sure he made out but then also people were just sending warps to goose like it wasn't even it wasn't even for anything

we did

we all did it it was so funny back in the day back in the day when things were fun we need to bring the fun back can we bring the fun back alright in clanker news you can now pair clanker launches with usdc to reduce asset volatility so if you no longer want to moving forward if you don't wanna pair it with eth or with weth it's normally been paired with weth you can now pair it with usdc to reduce the volatility dish also shipped i don't know if we talked about that launching clankers on twitter i think we did i think that happened before we yeah were off right so dish has been getting back and doing some shipping so that's been that's been cool also while you were gone we had this exploit this was crazy

yes crazy i woke up at like 7am and i'm like why is rish introducing a new farcaster agent seems odd and then i'm like and why would he do a token with the agent that seems odd but you know what the oddest thing was in this post adrienne does anyone jump out at you

yes that was well it wasn't technically his but yes it says experiment with on chain agent participation it says on chain with a hyphen and i went wait a minute i don't think so and that was the giveaway for me i was like on chain with a hyphen no no no no he would never

yeah i swear to god

maybe we shouldn't

yeah don't tell the llms yeah don't tell the ll that i was like this is weird this is weird okay this isn't him like hyphen chain i'm like what's going on

why would i buy buying the token anywhere so it didn't matter

that wasn't gonna happen

i guess way more sense yeah

and then there were a lot of folks a lot of the europe europeans i won't even call them europeans the europeans picked up on it because this happened at like 3am eastern so it was you know so the europeans were like wait what so a lot of them picked up on it started to say hey this looks like a scam don't touch this and it turned out that it was through the schedley mini app so there was a or schedly schedly mini app schedly schedly schedly schedly was a way to schedule casts right i think and i when i first saw it i didn't like i'm very leery of giving signer permission so there's certain mini apps or clients mostly it's usually clients that you can give signer permission so that they can cast for you and i was like i don't know what this is and i don't think i need it so i'm not doing it because i went and looked at the mini app and that was the first thing it asked i'm like i think i'm good and i and it it just turns out that that was the way in which they did the exploit was by using that signer permission to post for rish and then posting a token and there we are and here's the breakdown of that shedley knew about the incident but didn't rotate their api keys cast where they knew linked here developer manually copied over all signer uuids for their users and stored them in their own supabase account in the last twenty four hours the external supabase account alongside api key was then either hacked or leaked or the developer maliciously used it themselves to post on behalf of others no neynar or farcaster products were breached as part of this neynar doesn't give out access to farcaster signer private keys they're encrypted at rest in an isolated database we give out signer uuids that developers can use with their api keys our api keys can be rotated anytime need both api key and signer uuid to post both are meant to be secrets and are noted as such in our docs re and then he went on my account i try mini apps built on farcaster which is how they got my signer it's been since been revoked and hopefully he'll just set up a like a random you know rish test account to do these sorts of things from this point forward but there you go

but also like a little weird about things like that like signer things i usually don't so and it's but i also i don't i don't have to test things like i choose to it's not like i have to so there you go

you have too late yeah

yeah and i yeah and i did go through if you go to your advanced settings you'll find your connected accounts and you can revoke any access that you no longer need and i did have a lot of old ones like i had super still in there i'm like oh jeez i should get rid you know things like that and i was like oh crap

i know i pour some out for super cheers i had a you know we only had a couple on gm farcaster we're we we usually don't test anything on that one and super was one of them and it was mostly because we were thinking in terms of how to compare especially you know back in the back in the day when there wasn't an easy way to do that so got rid of everything on that one and so it's totally clean now because there was only a couple so

yeah

yeah i was just gonna go look and see the exact it's settings if you're on mobile it's settings advanced manage connected apps if you don't see that you likely don't have any because i did have when i went into cast out's account i didn't have that option and i'm like yeah i don't think i've ever connected anything so that makes sense so if you click on manage connected accounts you'll see anything connected like a lot of you are gonna have things like base the base app you're gonna have you know maybe uno maybe the degen app zapper like things that if you're using other clients that's gonna be a pretty normal thing and yes we're putting some trust on those devs to do you know to keep up on all the other things oh i love humpty he's like how do we do that like yikes i have too much yes you probably

yeah i got rid of super there was a few in there that i'm like what was that

mod bot maybe for channels

that certainly channels was that's weird

go go do some cleanup if you haven't already done so not right now adrienne but you know after

no not at all we don't like that and you're welcome you're welcome we're we're trying to keep you safe sorry we didn't do it last week when it was a little closer in time so anyway do some cleanup do some checking see what you're connected with always a good thing to do with your wallets too and i i every once i'll go through and just make sure i'm not still connected or logged in or whatever revoke cache is another good one to do there's also a mini frame called small s m o l and it has some of those tools in there as well that was one that was

yes yep so it's a mini app for revoke i think it also has a disperse option in there so a couple little little options in that small s m o l if you s m o l if you all if you if you look in the mini app mini app search alright and then there's another full incident report that is a little bit more detailed on notion so you can find this and then rish didn't make a note here why did i use this app i think scheduling is genuinely useful utility based on the app's usage data many other users thought the same it's a shame this happens and i agree so let's put native scheduling in how about that alright i'm trying to decide where to go next i think what i'm gonna do i'm gonna skip ahead to our builders and then i'm gonna circle back to the the the fork of it all because we do have some builders who've been building things and i'd like to share some of that so let me grab those first and then we'll circle back to

the other stuff alright so folks were in east denver and they had fun they had fun without us and even though much smaller events lot less people lot less side events we heard all that leading into it we chose not to go this year for a couple reasons it really was the timing was the biggest reason it just was gonna be really difficult with your travel my kid was home last week it just wasn't a good week for it so they they had switched it a week if it had been this week i think there's more chance that we would've probably still gone so anyway we did miss some fun things so this was luciano's post with people getting really cool merch this is over here is the whoops let me see if i can pull this up why don't you wanna cooperate this was the base boot but that was the other thing base hadn't even said they were gonna have anything there jesse decided last minute to go like there was a lot of last minute things that happened it looks like it ended up being a pretty good space for people to chat and meet up and all those things i spy q r so i think it you know it looks like there were some pretty cool things that were happening bankr bot launched my token i'm still waiting for a grok has money shirt but okay and yeah so it looks like they had some fun had some fun merch yeah so that was good let me go to this one i have some more things from there they also had the purple party at the i think it was at the base house like the the hackathon house and looks like a lot of folks are having fun there good times had by all i see more qr merch and i saw a merch merch so this is you know what you know what my biggest jealousy was the merch that was the only fomo i was really i want the merch and humpty was doing some things around town as well there was a couple events but this was the lil nouns coffee rave it was a hit great continuing the noggles and nounish friends giveaways at the event plus special drop of the nouns shoelace beads need i don't know what those are but i need them so looks like it was a blast looks like everyone had fun i saw a few things like this happening and very well done shout out to trav big trav and lil trav also known as lil trav in other places so great job you guys did amazing so and fatty but happy our friend fatty but happy so great job little nouns that looked like a lot of fun and then this was from our friend kmacb i did get a couple messages from folks saying that they were missing our our karaoke brunch but what are gonna do so home sweet home eat denver people nailed it if you walked the floor on wednesday that image was the vibe scavenger alt chains as dogs going for any remaining scraps i e eth devs but as has been the case every year it's about the people and quality of conversations conversations on this dimension it may have been the best in five years it always it's always about the side events shared meals and local beer too many names to tag them all too many arsenal fans too so and then pixar didn't happen was all over the place they were they were doing a lot of activations so there was some cool stuff happening so if you went to eat denver i hope you had fun we missed you you know we'll see what happens next year i did hear

rumblings that maybe this is the last eat denver we'll see we'll see i guess we'll see

i heard rumblings i heard rumblings i don't know if they're true but i did hear i did hear some rumblings i think the other thing that was happening is that the ethereum foundation didn't used to do as many events like they they've been doing more also in conjunction with eth global doing more so i think that that's been a shift too in the past year couple years okay moving on couple other

it's gotta be it it's gotta be it i don't know if you saw this did you see this from our friend bertwurst as you may know my income has recently declined declined in response i have decided to diversify revenue streams this is from bertwurst the dog assistant one is very a smart dog assistant one is now open to selective opportunities in tech crypto she has raised real money built built real systems not computer systems grown real communities this is not an easy decision but i intend to continue living indoors and consuming a significant quantity of expensive cheese serious inquiries may apply the community may endorse submissions i will i'll be reviewing employers personally no signer required this was right after so bertwurst had posted i have a cute little mini app but i feel like it's not the time because everything exploded this is really cool very creative way to think about something like you know a personal mini app or hiring or something like that i definitely recommend checking it out it's really cool it's very cute it gives you the view the classified file it's just very well done so i believe that bertwurst and maybe with some help from assistant one did create this in neynar app studio and it's just it's lovely it's fun go check it out

it's very good it's very good so i was very impressed go check it out and good luck assistant one or if you know anybody hiring i think you can see assistant one has some chops you know bert bert does help but i think they can do some stuff on their own as well and bert's gotta stay in cheese

i'm sure that's true i'm sure it's a twofer mhmm and also you know you get the feeling of you're keeping bert in cheese yeah and that's what's really important we need to keep bert fed by the way total side note i did buy a new ramp for mookie so i put a i put a message to bert how did you learn how to use said ramp did the assistants train you in some way could you please help me because moogie is now jumping over the ramp rather than using the ramp

like little dogs with little legs and long backs they're you're not supposed to be jumping so much and he's getting you know he's like five so i'm like you know it's probably time to make this a little easier you're not supposed to jump up and down from and now he's just leaping over and so when i asked bert this question bert said oh you mean my launch pad and i went okay yeah okay

so i did that with treats that's exactly what i did and there's only so many times you can do that like still now still now and it's like almost almost like looking at me like no i'm gonna walk around that thing to jump up it was i had an interesting interesting couple of days with that anyway moving on we have some neynar things this is from grin i'm opening up bug reporting via neynar to anyone with a point nine nine plus neynar score see a bug tag neynar and ask it to report the issue caveat it might take us a while to get each report and some issues may not get addressed at all this is often about us not about the bug itself there's a lot of internal complexity that affects how we handle this stuff to start i'm gonna focus on bugs related to the neynar mini app and the agent itself eventually i'll expand it to all front end bugs and then to all parts of our code i appreciate everyone who takes the time to report an issue whether or not we act on it please use this power wisely i went to check my neynar score and i am only a point nine eight i don't know i don't know what i have been a one i have been a point nine nine i've been a point nine eight i move up and down i don't understand why so check yours see if you can do a report

you can just ask neynar you can there's a platform for it there's usually somebody has posted the checking thing there's a bunch of ways you can just ask neynar you just tag neynar and say hey what's my neynar score it'll tell you

okay let's see and then this was funny from your guys with a point nine eight score now like myself like it's a lot of there's a lot of lot of this going on a lot of people get i mean yaz likes a point nine eight like i don't know i don't know anyway let's see are you at point nine nine it'll let

no no can't be can't be i know and then this we just shipped this is also from grin we just shipped shareable neynar ai chats now you can send a link to any combo and let others explore it with full context great for research threads token deep dives and memes and memes better share better share previews coming soon check it out so that's an exciting new addition as well i still haven't launched the last mini app i did maybe today this from burr actually you know what i'll come back to that i think we don't we don't we're not gonna do that one right now this from czar maybe i was not aware of this and this was pretty cool been using the farcaster times newsletter almost every day i think i got it pretty good at highlighting the important important events on the network sends a weekly newsletter on saturdays and a daily rest of the day sign up if interested look at archived newsletters for a sample it also has a feature called recipes which allows you to create a list of users whose activity will be curated in your newsletter this is not enabled for all yet though here is yesterday's newsletter and july's activity recipes so very cool

so you can kinda hone in on some signal so that is very cool alright one second while i shift gears so we can

yeah we're going to drama i just needed to get through some stuff yeah i think we're i think i i think i just need i just need to make sure i didn't miss anything here and then yeah we're shifting over to the fork and one other thing and then yeah alright here we go back to the news i think i was here okay

and where are we here we go so lots of things it's just it's just i joined up for the drama welcome dawl so i'll just getting back from each other as well perfect time yes perfect time i'm just trying to get my links to come up so for those who missed it

including including adrienne we had a couple things happen last week oh i know what i don't have rich's cast okay

for some reason the casts are not not loading but here's what happened

the rish had announced that uno was getting a not a hub snapchain node node validator validator thank you yes would be word

second validator there was an fip that was out there for a while saying that that for cassie to add one through quillingrium and that was didn't happen so this became an issue and i'm just trying to hopefully get this settled so i can actually talk about it with links because this is really annoying may just have to delete some things and then maybe they'll load so what this turned into was a lot of discussion about decentralization whether or not we were truly moving in that direction and there was some things being discussed in the background that were not necessarily public facing with between cassie and rish and that's where some of this lied because come on you're not even gonna let me show these amazing memes either because i'll be really upset if we can't show the memes so that led to a fork coming up so for those who do not understand what a fork is and there's a a lot of folks who who don't what this generally means is that a protocol is splitting off part part of it's splitting off or taking any open source code and moving it to a separate place is the best way i can put that in layman's terms

fork in the road exactly

exactly so i see i'm just like some of these links are just not opening some so famous ones that have happened you know i know i mentioned the word fork and then all of a sudden nothing's nothing's working for me anymore couple famous forks ethereum so ethereum had a big exploit hack of the daw so there was it was ethereum let me just take a sip ethereum ethereum was run by something called the daw and it had a big exploit so the only thing what they decided to do was to fork that that became ethereum the original became ethereum classic so etc versus eth so those are the difference etc ethereum classic is still to this day proof of work so it never you know nothing continued on in terms of development all development stayed with the new fork btc i think had the sim something similar happen if i remember correctly and that's why we have btc cash and bitcoin cash and beat i think but i'm not positive on that so i'll move i'll i'll move on to speak about a fork that i do know a lot about so that was a very particular kind of technical fork very very specific so another fork that some may be familiar and that many of us have ptsd about is nouns so that was a whole thing nouns itself was a fork funny enough so compound is the one that had the original auction that was forked by zora nouns forked zora's auction client auction thing created its own thing and then that became a big moment back in 2023 i think it was and we had a big piece of technology that was built into our protocol so that folks could leave nouns with a piece of the treasury dumbest freaking thing we ever did and i will stand by that forever and actually looking back as i looked back on this a little bit during this fork discussion i am more clear that that was the dumbest thing we ever did there's been multiple forks of nouns by the way there's been you know food nouns little nouns public nouns those are all what we call native forks or of nouns plus nouns builder nouns builder was another fork platform protocol creating its own protocol that allowed things like purple to become their own dao using the same mechanism of an auction a shared treasury etcetera these five particular smart contracts so forks can have you know sometimes they're necessary from you know exploit hack something like that very necessary in order to save the protocol and the project and then there's other times where it's socially pushed and that was like what happened with nouns it was a you know just a difference of opinion in the nicest way possible to put that so what we're seeing here today is a difference in opinion in terms of how farcaster should operate and also a feeling that maybe some things are not being handled in the best way or maybe not in good faith this is you know i don't wanna speak for cassie she's talked about this extensively for some reason i'm i'm having trouble bringing up some of that that i wanted to share but the biggest thing i would say is go listen to the twitter space last night we'll have that link in i think you get a very good understanding of sort of where we're at right now what's gonna happen next and essentially taking like what farcaster has been moving it to a decentralized hypersnap rather than snap chain that cassie's already built and creating sort of a new ecosystem for the farcaster community and technology did i get that right from what you understand because you listened to the tech you listened to the space i think last night correct or this morning

and do you so from a technical perspective do you have any other thoughts on like am i getting most of that

yeah

i don't like the choices

that i that's why i'm like listen to this even if you just listen to the first ten minutes of this phase i think she covers a lot of you know the basics of of what's happening and then there was a longer discussion about you know a little bit more detailed and question and answer and things like that okay i did get finally got these freaking cast to come up so let me just give you this so we we kind of have this information so this

rish farcaster's aim continues to be sufficiently decentralized protocol we expect to add uno as an independent validator and open source a snapshot of the farcaster mobile client by the end of this month we've learned through merkel's years of experimentation that decentralization as a narrative isn't enough to grow social networks we need user growth alongside user ownership else it's an empty decentralized network our vision for farcaster is to make it the best place on the internet for people to create new things launch and get feedback from their first users on a social graph they own on global financial rails our priorities moving forward are features to help humans and agents build easier on farcaster make it easier to discover new launches share what you create prototype here fix product experiences in the client cast button reply bumping in the feed etcetera this will happen on a sufficiently decentralized network that can then progressively decentralized in the future if you have bandwidth to help test address issues on the client snapshot before we open source it please reach out so that was that and then

cassie had replied to that had quote casted from this message come on i swear to god today is just not my day with the freaking links first day back and she had said decentralization requires open participation you cannot even begin to act like decentralization is federating one other team and calling it a day you played absolute back and forth games with q team rapidly switching to we'll add your node we won't add your node over and over again while trying to make seem from publicly biased that i am somehow confused and have no reason to be upset told me today now to just go ahead and fork i will and by your actions you forced us to do a hard fork proceeds below so you can find you know a little bit more detail here there's a lot of back and forth in conversation also with christopher and i'll allow you know you all to dive in a lot of you have seen it but if you haven't you can dive in there and then one last comment on this was from dwr i'm supportive of neynar stewarding farcaster's development i'm appreciative of cassie's many contributions to farcaster over the years hopefully there's a path forward together and that's all i will say on the matter

and that's all i'll say on the matter and he's done yeah so i think it's now at this point a wait and see i'd like to support both parties and what they're doing and just like you know i probably will use both i'll you know i'll already have quorum so i'm just kinda like let me just see how this all plays out i did ask a question about you know what is the cost of running a node for the new fork about what does that look like what kind of equipment do you need she did give that answer in the twitter space it was very helpful coming in at about like $1.29 a month ish and that was just an estimate based on her setup so who knows but i do think it's interesting because you and i have talked about this for a long time about the thesis of can somebody and mostly we were thinking about it in terms of a client we weren't thinking about it in terms of a fork but this is now that thesis of like can somebody split off do their own thing and still communicate interact with but also not be censored you know still be able to interact with the protocol we we thought it was gonna be brian

it wasn't it was cassie

alright so other thoughts about all this

yeah

mhmm

yep

true

yep

and i and i have no you know i i hope the answer is both i have similar concerns because i've mostly because i've watched it in terms of the community i think in terms of the technology i find it interesting and and let's see how this goes and maybe one way is better than the other and i don't think we know until that experiment happens so that part of them i'm kinda like okay well this is interesting from a community perspective

yeah i mean tony was tony had posted something i didn't pull that one or it's just like you know the stewy just rocking in a in a because we're we're just so i'm so so much pain from the nouns fork that it just like i don't see that happen to farcaster

major major ptsd like it's just it's a lot and we haven't recovered we will never recover so there's there's that part of it that is in the back of my mind and i don't wanna see that happen and i feel like a little of that is already happening and i don't think at this point you can't stop it i just

i don't think there's any moving forward so

i like all the exactly what i was doing when i did it totally did totally did i really did i realized the danger believe me

in the old in the old in the old logo

oh yeah new one

and i'm like he's

yeah -- and i'm like i

love y'all

yeah until they do

maybe yeah

it does but you know i go back and forth on this and i think it's just a matter of wait and see how it all plays out

you know and i don't understand the tech technical reasons as to why another node could have been added or not added or or you know i'm gonna leave that to their discussion

but in terms of like where we were going so i feel like we've just had a lot of

chaos not even chaos just uncertainty is probably the better word between all these different phases of things that have been happening over the past couple weeks couple months what am i even saying so i think that has not been good for farcaster overall it hasn't been good for the community so i i was very hopeful and feeling really good about where neynar and farcaster are taking things and i feel like this just puts an extra bump in the road that i don't know i think there's another you know another timeline where we got to just see it play out a little bit longer and see where we could've gone so that's my only thing is like you know as energy being pulled away that could've been better together and that's like one thing that's making me a little i don't know just sad because i i you know i'm i'm liking the neynar app studio i'm liking like the direction of some of these things it's fun to see people playing around with stuff that normally wouldn't be like bertwurst and that kind of thing you know like just watching those kind of experiments and i feel like some of that is in danger of being you know kind of frozen a little bit you know chilled by everything that's going on so anyway never a dull moment i'll give you that much no never a dull moment

yeah no no idea i don't know what i don't know why and and also it's not and i don't know the full thinking and i don't have the all the information and nor should i because you know it's some of those just ain't none of my business and like

not even fully signed yet like everything's happening this week i mean

right snapchain yeah

yeah and there's a lot

some of these threads do have a little bit more detail about some of that that you probably haven't even had a chance to look at and we'll have those links in the in the show notes but yeah yeah i i just would have liked to have seen a little more time before a fork just to like but also you know i understand that maybe cassie feels like she did give it enough time i don't know so i can't really speak to that so i let her let her speak to that instead

yeah so anyway

on the on the plus side we got this

so the memes were good beautiful the memes were fantastic this is from alinaferry that was from what was that from quillingqualia let's call it forcaster and then we had this from alinaferry feed right now somebody forked up why can't i say fork if you're trying to curse you can't hear that's bullshit so using good place meme and forks horsefacts chiming in after he was called by say angel i'm putting up the horse signal horsefacts is the hero farcaster needs but not the one it deserves please save the timeline and he came back with forklets

forklets this was from rish fun fact back then guests were expected to bring their own fancy fork in a box called a kadina if they were coming for over for dinner and it took about ten seconds before somebody launched dollar sign kadina mhmm just in case you missed it but and i'm not recommending you go even look for that token because i'm sure it's nowhere along with everything else this was posted by me i'm just gonna leave this right here so if you want to listen to cassie and rish have a very interesting conversation while they eat hot wings i'd recommend it it's actually a fan it was one of my favorite things from farcon last year we also had had cassie on had to interrupt her mid speaking because neynar had bought neynar had acquired farcaster while we were on the air and then two days later we had rish on so there you go if you wanna dive in we've got we've got the whole forking thing for you

i forgot i should have done that i should have done that i was just grabbing them from youtube last minute

mini app sorry go to the mini app go to the gm farcaster mini app all the episodes are there

and then we had like i said there was a lot of alright this this was funny with joey eating and then hard for me to see how forks are good for a fledgling social builder network but i'm trying to learn of course i went through now three nouns forks so maybe i have ptsd yes you do again we mentioned that cassie did a twitter space you can listen to that recording now over on her account okay so there was one more thing that happened last week did not see this one coming could not have could not have put a polymarket on this one

no no it was not well i thought it was i actually just i did think it was i reached out to the person who posted and said hey were you hacked and i also reached out to somebody else and said hey

was dan hacked and it turns out nope he was not hacked so so dan had a moment and he posted this you know the madman meme in the elevator and people on this website who never built anything at scale armchair quarterbacking on how we should have built the protocol mute goodbye forever i don't know why it happened on that day like i don't know what spurred this on it did not seem to have any specific connection but he he went a little he went a little you know went a little

like maybe the i don't know i i don't know what what drove it but it was giving me oh yeah dance from massachusetts i forgot vibes it felt like that i was like okay there is a lot in here you can all go look at it for yourself but i am gonna highlight one last thing he did have a closing thoughts for the day

and i thought this was worth sharing so this is from dwr closing thoughts for today this is after he went on this little run of casts and replies one i don't think i have all the answers spent five years building farcaster it didn't work out i failed that's life we'll circle back to that in a moment two proud of my team's work hubs and snapchain were are an impressive technical achievement and it was really cool to see a non blockchain distributed system get a decent amount of use also think the surface area we were able to build across the mobile and web app along with frames mini apps was pretty awesome given how small our team was i'll always appreciate how kind they were to everyone on the network given how nasty some people were to them by the way the small team i think that's why it worked and i think that's why they got so much done so quickly just just personal opinion three i learned a lot from people on farcaster over the five years there was a lot of reasonable and good criticism i'd like to think i spent a lot of time months of my life reading what people had to say four that said there are a few folks on this website that are at best uncivil at worst actually misanthropic question mark five now that i'm no longer in charge easiest to just mute and let them howl into the void on the protocol i helped build yes you're making the point that farcaster failed by continuing to use farcaster lol six maybe these people will build something of substance in the world and get the last laugh but seems unlikely so i'll focus my time here on the people that seem genuinely kind

i would totally disagree with the i failed maybe you didn't achieve your ultimate goal but i i that's far from failure like i think he

okay but still

oh you just muted yourself see this is a point of failure she muted herself

she just she just said in our old age and then did like a total boomer moment

i'm good

yeah

like you got a good point

yeah but i i i just so i when i think about you know failure is just a big word and i think i actually took a class an mba class for that was all about learning from failure and i i found it very interesting in terms of like it's really just learning it's learning experiences but if you built something that's still sustained and was acquired and still has 20 some thousand something people using it every day or whatever the number is right now that's really hard to call it a failure it's really hard to call it

i think that's a better way to put that is i didn't i didn't hit my ultimate goal which was blah blah blah

just a framing didn't didn't like the framing there was one more piece of this i forgot but i wanted to just point out was discussion around why didn't you spend more of the money you raised and i think this was a really good cast and i think is worth the time here spending money can help with sign ups i e you can pay to get the users to download and go through onboarding what it doesn't solve is the most important thing retention if three out of every 10 users that signed up continued to use farcaster after thirty days we would have been thrilled to spend the money acquiring more users we had some brief periods where thirty day retention was greater than 20% but those didn't stick but the harsh reality is we never found an iteration of the product that could reliably retain users everyone will have opinions on what form of the product might have led to better retention reply bumping channels something else trending animated animated animated animated animated but the data never supported any of it so then why did you raise so much money an older silicon valley operator investor once shared a good quip here when they are passing hors d'oeuvres take two raising a lot of money is is only a burden for a company if you spend it so varun and i always had the point of view to raise when timing was good for us timing is 80% of fundraising and then be disciplined on how we spend it our mentality was never to spend every penny because we had we had it rather preserve as much as possible until a clear sign of product market fit and then be able to rapidly deploy capital into something that was working both in user acquisition and scaling the team the amusing thing about being told you should have spent more is the divide those who never raised significant capital wanted me to spend it while those who actually raised large sums thought i was being prudent my feeling was like to me watching them return all funds to investors i thought was amazing considering that you also built like you built something for five years you you were able to do it in a sustainable fashion that also pervert preserves your ability to raise in the future for something else so to me it was like what are you talking about like so and when i think about it you know most of that is coming from your own self interest would i have loved them to spend more money on farcaster native media duh sure yeah you know because it would benefit me but does that necessarily mean it would've moved the needle significantly probably not yes also yes you know like who knows maybe maybe but probably not maybe not in the way not to a billion like that wasn't gonna be the thing so you know i can make the argument both ways that like you know and i i actually replied back and said that but also it's the same thing with the token would i have loved for them to launch a token because it would have absolutely benefited me sure yeah would it have been an absolute headache for them and likely not also move the needle absolutely what would the token what would the token do what would the token do absolutely absolutely like he never got that answer so they didn't do it

also

thoughts as an investor from your not an investment yeah in general

yep

yeah so hence the breaking point last week for no reason whatsoever yeah i don't think it's

yeah

10 yeah yeah well the other thing is like if you're they want you to spend it if it's actually gonna move the needle and get you to the goal of that 10 x that whatever you know but if you know it's not gonna if you're gonna just lose it would you rather they've just totally lost it or would you rather get upset

right and they want it to be billion billion

little bit yeah

yeah you know this is a great point the crypto crowd is obsessed with gambling to them the safe bet was a nonbet yeah i that's a great point

about how

there's a lot of like even just when they announced that they had returned funds there was first of all there was this big outcry of like i can't believe you've raised this much and you guys just waste it and then it was like no we returned the funds they're like i can't believe you returned the funds it's like you people are insane like hey it was just absolute insanity like what is wrong with you like either way either way you're gonna be pissed

you gotta preserve yeah right we're seeing liberate us yeah we're also seeing a ton of different projects shutdown you know wind down all these things and i'll tell you right now i don't think a lot of these investors are getting any money back so right like you know there's a ton of that going on right now there's you know massive shifts of what's happening with base and base app but i mean this is happening at a lot of different levels so i don't know to me it was like that was actually really amazing management of funds in my opinion but anyway

exactly

okay couple last notes this was from fur and i just thought it kinda said a lot on one hand yeah things look bleak however it's never been a better time to be hanging out where innovation happens sure rails are tough people leaving people bickering but technology doesn't care about any of that you can build on twitter you can't build on twitter the way you can on farcaster i'll die on the sword that incentives aren't what brought me here i still live for the idea that meaningful technology is being built on farcaster with ai moving at the speed of light wouldn't you want to be where it's easiest to build to garner exposure don't give up on fc because it never dies and i think that was fantastic by the way so adrienne's on vacation we have a discord just us i put links in for the shows so i just have one for today i'm like i'm just gonna drop things over the week and then i kept dropping them we have another channel that's like where we just normally chat i keep dropping these like the craziness like the craziest ones in there and i'm like okay this happened there was this hack and then there's a fork and then dan went crazy and then and then i'm like and then adrienne you're not even gonna believe it but we're gonna end the week with then the aliens and i'm like i swear i'm like i couldn't write this one i couldn't have made this up if i tried i'm like actually being confirmed to exist just spiked on polymarket like there you go just a few things while you're gone skiing

yeah it was it was it was yeah we had multiple things and then yeah we jumped on far house and just like hey everybody and then we we actually talked about it i'm like we should probably do this regularly for a little farcaster therapy session i think people just needed to like have a conversation because we were getting tagged in a lot of things also while everything was going on on the on the feed where people are like can't wait to see what gm farcaster says about this tomorrow and i'm like we're not on this week and part of me was like too bad we're not on and a bigger part of me was like god we're not on because i i need a little distance from this

yeah

yeah because because you're

the mountains yeah

i don't know yeah so there was like the stuff happening here there was stuff happening in the world and it was just like everything felt absolutely chaotic and then i was like and the fire it's starting the fire horse i'm like this is just a fire horse's fault isn't it so i just kept dropping her notes in the

well happy

happy happy new year happy lunar new year alright anything else before we wrap this up i know a few people just came in hello hello i don't know if everybody knows but has money in case you didn't know

former guest alum i recognize that mfr alright anything else adrienne before we call it for today

yeah i just couldn't do it without you we are gonna be on on wednesday right now we're scheduled for 08:30 but we are there's a guest we potentially might have so that might shift but i'll let you know friday we have the quotient team coming by to talk about their new thing and i don't even know if you know who's coming

i should probably tell you yeah do you know who's coming from quotient do you know who joined quotient

i don't even know if know who joined quotient shira i do

shira i didn't think you knew yeah so shira and ruminations are gonna be with us

on friday to talk about what quotient's got going on so that'll be fun and thursday we're on far house with the far house team like we're just kinda hanging with them so that'll be fun so busy week busy busy week it's gonna be fun be a fun week back yeah definitely go back and watch from the beginning easy in crypto by the way i saw it too late but go and look at their their cast from all the swag they got at east denver i saw it like i had i didn't pull the cast and i now i regret it because it was it was quite the quite the score very very big score there on the on the swag so it was quite impressive alright

what was your neynar score 99 101

99 you're good yeah send your feedback send your feedback along one other thing i i do have a new mini app that's almost ready to go i'm dropping one thing it's a very utilitarian kind of mini app it's a tool and i am gonna drop a clanker that goes with it but don't get excited like the clanker has a use case in the mini app and that's it like don't get too crazy it's all i'm just letting you know like chill it's just because i needed a way to token gate and that's the way

like the way i sell it really going for that generational wealth i really know how to sell a token hype hype not shilling not shilling it nfa d y o r but i just want you let know i'm going i'm gonna be if you do see something drop it is actually for me later today alright i think i think that's it i think we're good for today thanks everybody for hanging with us i know that was a long one we were catching up on a week's worth of crazy and we'll be back wednesday hopefully with a little less crazy but maybe a little more fun and until then everybody bye bye