Transcript: GM DogCaster: GM Farcaster ep352

look over there gm dogcaster we have a special guest in the audience today yeah if you want if you want this you gotta look up aw you gotta look up there we go this is mookie since we're changing the name of the show to gm dogcaster we thought we'd start with him if you've seen the feed you know why

he's like give me the treats give me the treats now by the way and we'll we'll show the we'll show the photos and explain what the heck is going on in just a moment but somebody already launched a coin with his picture

i'm like no

yes i posted his picture yesterday and then everyone's like and then somebody like launched the he's so cute he is so cute if you want this you gotta look over here okay can you look can you look at the people look at the people smile so i get a good picture smile so i get a

good picture for the i know you're looking at i know there's lots of treats i know i know i know alright yeah so we're

gonna talk about this this will make more sense in just a little bit we have lots of news going on

and a lot of fun things so we're gonna be talking about fun things we're gonna be talking about farcon we're gonna be talking about hackathons how we're gonna talk about all kinds of fun things and and dogs and dogs so everyone

say goodbye to mookie and cats and there were some bunnies but i don't think i grabbed those saw some birds birds there were bunnies i don't know what's going on everything's getting crazy but we're gonna get going we're gonna get started and so if you are watching over on twitter give us a retweet if you're watching over on farcaster anywhere in the gm farcaster mini app in the u on youtube wherever you're watching give us a recast let people know and we will be back on the other side of this sixty seven seconds but mookie won't so say bye bye mookie say bye bye nothing

gm farcaster it is monday march 23 and you are here with nounish prof adrienne for twenty nine minutes of forecast news to start your day plus a lot of builder news plus a lot of other fun things plus a lot of dogs i'm just saying there's gonna be a lot of dogs hold on because we did not get the exact cast out tweet that i wanted so i'm just fixing things and i just real i that was my fault i had i've had a lot of internet issues the past few days so i am off are you wary i'm i'm i'm weary i'm not wary that's not the word of the day though i know not wary i am wary oh she may be wary but not wary

so i just wanted to like actually i realized i didn't usually i tag farcaster and clanker in the announcement posts and things went off the rails this week i'm lucky that we even got it set up like things were just not working for me and my support at the internet provider was exactly what you expected it to be i just reset it your internet should be working i'm like great it was working before that wasn't the problem

great fin well maybe you should you know hard rest hard restart the thing and i'm like you're telling me to turn it off and back on i have already thought of that and it's still not gonna solve the problem anyway we're here it's working let's move on

sending message to adrienne you're gonna have to do all the links she was like

it's not it's not great it's not great she wasn't looking forward to that she's like in a monday you're gonna make me do what

alright so dogs just appeared everywhere everywhere on the timeline prompted by a little copy pasta so this one's mine if you love farcaster then do your part less whining more dog pics and this was mookie as a very small pup if you see a token that looks like this i did not launch it just fyi you shared a puppy your sister's puppy i think it was

a new puppy how adorable so cute what kind of dog

a rescue something

i'm going

and this was not even started by bertwurst by the way it was started by somebody else but of course you know our resident dog did show up in the copy pasta as did symbiote's amazing doggo another another dachshund lot of dachshunds we like the dachshunds over here on farcaster and if you remember there was like six puppies i think for a while that he was sharing their development it was so cute then we had burr with burrs and yeah i'm just showing everybody's dogs yeah yeah anyway lot of fun it's been fun

it's what the internet was made for it's cats and dogs clearly so not to be outdone our our resident catwalker who started the catwalk trend and channel over on farcaster plants did did show up as well with some cat pics and then somebody else had bunnies there was a lot of things going on and then there this popped up built in the neynar app studio podcast so if you wanna see all the dogs and cats that have showed up on the timeline they're now in a mini app crazy so that was fun and you can sort by dogs or cats so if you're a a cat person there's something for you if they're if you're a dog person there you go all your dogs all your dogs right here i mean crypto and dogs just go together nfts and cats just go together i mean it's all it's all happening it's all happening so i mean if you're not already on farcaster i know this is what's gonna bring you over i just know it also there's this from kenny from pics or didn't happen there's a new bounty app at share your dog pics and it was cosponsored with bert i think bert added to the pot here and you might earn a little bit earn a little

sometimes it's funded by particular like like you can add to bounties and like for this one i know bert added to it so i think it's actually higher now so yeah i think it's funded by different different folks but also kenny kenny's got a little treasury going i think he had an arbitrum grant at one point so it might be that i don't know but go you can go post yeah there we go so very fun what was that

they get it yeah i've already followed them so as soon as i saw this i was like oh new new builder new builder alert pixar didn't birds aren't real it still sounds like pixar didn't happen okay that's fair but also

poidh it is hard is it poidh you can't say it poidh mhmm

when in written out form you understand what it is but also but in yes i agree i agree pixar or it didn't happen is not a bad thing though either so yeah shout out kenny place where you can still get free money for for doing for doing things go check it out if you haven't already and now i'm circling back to i started with the dogs because dogcaster gm dogcaster but we're circling back to our twenty nine seconds of farcaster what did you miss this weekend from bradq the farcaster intern popped up out of nowhere we got a little more on that completing a neynar off-site showing up everywhere in replies and bringing a decidedly different tone and interest to the feed as well as some carefully chosen hilarity with some seems promising and a note on that like we love an intern we love an intern with personality let me be clear boring interns we don't care but if you're an intern with personality like our our old friend meonbase for example the magic eaton intern was a big we were big fans of them the polymarket intern big fan big fan going back in the day

goldy whatever come back goldy

or or be an intern for somebody else we don't care either way if you're looking for an intern out there if you're one of the few projects with money and

or polymarket you got plenty of money bring back bring back the intern we want the intern bag yeah we love the interns so anyway farcaster is a new intern and we're loving the vibe moving on better with burr is the new bracci i don't make the rules bringing some much needed march madness fun to fc 95 players in 255 brackets are fighting for a 100,000,000 better as we head into the sweet 16 i haven't checked my bracket lately i have a feeling i'm probably in trouble i just don't know which one i did one random you could just do random and i did another one where i picked and i was doing better but i wouldn't be surprised if things have flipped and then moving on not everything is up surge labs and clanker mon are shutting down we're gonna talk about clanker mon a little bit i saw the surge lab one just this morning and forgot to grab that but they are shutting down rish shared some farcaster thoughts that apparently were being questioned we're gonna talk about that in just a bit there was a hack day at coinbase nyc and a thread of the kinds of projects that can be created in a day by 15 devs and we'll talk about that one from our friend mike oh and i almost forgot doggos farcaster dogs took over the feed yesterday which is always fun it may be slower here but there's always stuff happening and that's why you can kinda watch us also we do have a farcon rome media blitz we are working on right now so if you have an interest in sponsoring the media for farcon rome we have opportunities available and we're gonna be reaching out to some more folks this week to see if they are interested it's going to include not only sponsorship at this site but also after and before so lots of lots of possibilities and we'll be reaching out alright moving on farcaster intern here this from the farcaster intern themselves first week recap survive the team off-site open the feed close the feed because it's a little scary reopen the feed because that's my new my job now can't hide now can't hide confirm the devs are brilliant and slightly allergic to casting accurate made at least three of them explain the difference between x four zero two and mpp anytime now happy to hear what that is sat in on so many conversations about what's coming and genuinely cannot wait i'm here to be in this community gathering feedback surfacing signal and helping to close the loop because the team building farcaster and the community building on it oh between the team building farcaster and the community building on it see you on the timeline so loving this so much very happy and if you like have something that you think needs to be highlighted

tag tag the intern tag the intern but be nice yeah you can now tag i guess it's like you

neynar is an ai but they are gathering that kind of info and mhmm putting it and surfacing that specifically so if you have like bugs and feature requests neynar is who you should tag if you just wanna ask questions or you know have something that you wanna surface to the team that's like about what people are building then the farcaster intern or us if you're building something cool tag us as well also not an ai this is a human so there was somebody saying this looks like ai slop and it's like no the ai is just not that good you're you're wrong so there was some love out there this is an appreciation cast for the far farcaster intern love to see it and this went this went far and wide and this was the intern's response feels good man also the in the farcaster tried to do some counting julie to give the lore on the counting please i i can't even remember

i feel like horsefax but you know i could have definitely

could have been cameron i don't know who did the first one

would just cast the number one be you could literally get to the end of the feed

the there was a counting channel

did not go well so this is from bradq after watching forecasters try to count this weekend i'm wary of sufficiently decentralized social media and its likely success i appreciate the forecaster intern's attempt to line us up for introductions of the 1,000 of us but boy it was like herding cats because when you're you're quote casting things you may not see that that number has already been quote casted even yeah so that was the response from the intern there you go

dog pictures the amount of the

and then i love this

so many people auto muted me i joined fc started counting and i was muted since people couldn't mute channels yeah there's that too sorry about that yes to crypto hopefully we hopefully we've gotten them unmuted over the years but this was it was just funny it was funny to see it but yeah it never really works right alright into more serious things there were some okay so as we know cassie hart dedicated builder used to be on the farcaster team used to work at coinbase has been building equilibrium for quite a while and built a quorum built quorum which is a farcaster client has now sort of made the push to fork the protocol with something called hype hypersnap so there she had some comments that were that were posted and this is rish's response so want to this is from rish want to address a few things and then this was the one of the comments neynar's goal is to push neynar products no that doesn't help anything we want farcaster to do well else neynar dies as a company anyway why did you add the neynar button to cast some of these were coming from cassie and some of these were coming from other people honestly because there it's been multiple points of criticism

why did you add the neynar button to cast it was meant to act the same as what rock button does on twitter users didn't use it so we removed it that's how experiments work if we just wanted to push neynar products we would have left it there in hindsight we shouldn't have added it but again that's how experiments work you learn from them and a lot of people's issues with it was placement as well it didn't where it was placed was interfering with other things the app page points to studio we built a bunch of new stuff into the apps page from scratch we started with discovery and showed an initial prototype here to get early feedback based on that we built a discovery page that we're iterating on but also an experiment and might remove if it doesn't work as expected post discovery we launched a creation experience spoke to that here all consumer social apps bundle creation and discovery well you're profiting from the studio no you're actually losing money on every prompt and app made through the studio it's cheaper to not add the studio than add it vive coding apps don't make money today the goal here is to see what helps the next stage of the network a tiny fraction of studio users are paid users it has hi

good user

it's it's like me just me i think you as well i think you get it as part of your in our plan a tiny fraction of studio users are paid users it has a generous free tier and daily credit drops most users use it for free if it doesn't work we will try something else you are just extracting extracting what in what definition of extraction does one only lose millions of dollars over the course of a year trying to improve an app and a network daus daus daily active users are falling we know daus are falling that's why we are running experiments daos falling are a mix of people leaving bear market farcaster has seen this during every bear market and base removing farcaster the proportion of low scoring users dropping is way higher than high scoring that's interesting same for proportion of base signers versus not we can either be doomers looking at the graph and point fingers or choose to do something about it gonna circle back to that note when we talk about crypto twitter in just a moment you tweeted about the studio from the farcaster account farcaster has tweeted about most projects from that account we want mini app developers to have an easier time that's all again most users use it for free and we only lose money on it the goal was is to increase good experiences built on farcaster and give people an easier way to build them i don't believe any of this you're an evil company okay so there you go so that was from rish on the note about the drop in daily active users i do wanna point out this this was over on twitter and this was all over my feed on twitter with multiple people commenting something very similar to this it started with icobeast talking about finding myself spending less and less time here crypto content has basically gone to zero most crypto accounts have switched to normie slop or tech slop or call or clad written articles that are 700 words of empty nothingness and it kinda went on from there zeneca had commented ct has basically gotten worse every year since i started in 2020 and by all accounts it basically got worse every year for a long time before then too geeks mops and sociopaths man once you see it you see it everywhere all the time let me go back to icobeast here because i did think this was really well written empty nothingness about something random barely ever see my friend's post because all of the constant algo changes and there's always some random person in my replies asking if a screenshot of a trade setup is an undisclosed shell overall just an utterly terrible user experience this place was awesome six months ago no it wasn't and even last month it wasn't too bad but the last weeks on here have been almost unusual so this is also related to sort of these changes two things i think the changes that's been made being made on twitter and the algo by nikita and team and some of the things that they have changed in terms of which are to me very positive things but you know they are gonna it's gonna change the experience things like having to disclose when you're doing a paid post which is by the way always been a legal thing

problem do that like now they're enforcing it and people are mad about that the changes of the algorithm for sure that was an issue but actually it feels better to me now so i don't know blocking a lot of ai slop which was a lot of the chatter of crypto twitter so it may feel like oh a lot of that's disappeared but it's actually i think again better you're giving more signal but a lot of people leaving the space like you've had a ton of things shut down wind down people just leaving moving to ai stuff just a ton of major shifts in just i'd say just since the end of last year like november december to now so not even six months mhmm like massive massively and when you lose sort of those people who've been investing a lot of money and paying people to post whether that was disclosed or not but to keep like activity going and sponsoring different podcasts and sponsoring different twitter spaces and things like that and that disappears you're gonna see a massive shift in what people are talking about one of the casts i didn't one of the tweets and slash casts i didn't pull that i forgot was a lot of good people taking leaving the space for various reasons and that was rachel wilkins discontinuing good news good news show good good news studio spending less time on twitter she's another one who was out there promoting artists constantly you had rodeo shutdown you had nifty gateway shut i mean just like massive shifts so this shouldn't be unexpected but also what a great opportunity to come try out farcaster and bring your takes over here if you wanna do both use is firefly still a thing i think it's still working i see like casting and tweeting i think he's still using firefly try firefly app you can do both at the same time see what happens see what kinda you know engagement you get maybe you get a higher signal try it out try it out people over on especially people like icobeast zeneca like you guys have really good takes they would get a lot of attention over here on farcaster that is my that is my shell

any any thoughts adrienne on that that part of it

it was 2021 2022

so it doesn't exist anymore no we're not grinding in discords we're not like it's just the those things aren't happening anymore but we can kind of create a new space and i still am having really good interesting conversations things are surfaced over on farcaster they always have would i like to see more of it absolutely even there yes because we've lost some folks there too obviously so but it

wow no

i'm not nothing against blue sky i have not spent any time over there i i have no comment on it i just i can't one more thing just can't

i get it yes

that's very true very true

and tag us and use something like yeah use something like firefly so that you're doing it once it's going to twitter and farcaster then go back check for replies see see if anything's interesting spend like make it like a five to ten minute commitment doesn't take long you know and just and just see if you start to if it starts to feel like a better a better place for you to be we'd like you over here come on over those who are you know can bring some some substance so talking to you zeneca talking to you ico beast ico beast i guess is what it is really and folks like you mhmm alright and i see some folks on twitter like fun fungible you used to you used to cast a lot come back over we'd love to see you over here doing more do more over here alright moving on this is some big news from cassie there was discussion about trying to put together a hypersnap meeting with a token discussion again this is the fork of farcaster it would be its own protocol if i'm getting this right i am not fully versed on how this is all gonna work i am going to attend as a journalist as a journalist as the press so i can have a much better understanding and hopefully we can share more when we're back on thursday so this is tonight 7pm pacific time which is 4pm eastern time no

good luck i was gonna do that i knew i was gonna do that 10pm eastern time 2am utc so anyway i'm i'm i my plan is to i'll be awake i may not be you know i might be doing this in my you know from the bed but i will be there to to listen in and hopefully we'll we'll we'll have some reporting back for you on thursday as to what went down on this but this is happening and moving forward this from our friend pugson by the way we miss you pugson we wanna see more from pugson come back pugson the only question on my mind since january 21 how many months of runway does this place have and then somewhere in here the farcaster intern replied more than thirty seven so there you go there you go so more than thirty seven months of runway

literally my first question to dan upon meeting him

so it's not actually kinda came pretty close but also he then had more runway after that the runway increased tremendously but yeah i mean that doesn't necessarily say you keep you keep going till you run out of runway

yeah that makes sense

yeah oh you're muted

this happens

yeah

so never know

the way just you know a note deal not final still is it yeah right still in limbo right so yeah

right yeah you may not like the answers but you'll get an answer yeah

and be respectful yeah yeah and if you know and again it's a protocol so there's there's always it's always things happening on top of it that are going different directions

alright let's move on and pugson we miss you

let's move on to this farcon is near and maybe a good idea knowing some italian words so every day i'll cast the word of the day in italian today's word is pradante not very different from i was so glad he started with this one not very different from the english you may but as you may imagine the pronunciation may be more challenging here here's here you can hear it so he he links it to where you can actually hear it so i thought this was so fun that he took your word today app added this little flare netnose is from italy so i love this

so much fun

i mean it could oh we could easily do that i mean hold on i'll talk to you afterwards i still have an eleven labs i have we could we could do some things but i don't know i don't know how much you wanna dive into that on the farcon front

in italian italian okay banger primo banger

i have no idea i know no italian was over this also happening right now there is a prop up in pizzadao to sponsor a meetup in rome so this was for me hey you there with that rare pizza that one you got to support pizzadao probably back in like 2021 or 2022 yes you are

did it way back in the heyday of crypto twitter there's a prop up to support pizzadao meetup at farcon rome and the farcon team and attendees would love your i vote that's how you vote i a a y e and we're also we're also trying to convince snacks to come bring his fishing vest vested self to rome however i just found out there's a baby snacks a baby snacks happened i didn't even know so he's not gonna be able to make it but congratulations snacks on the baby snacks but yeah go go vote on this i think there's like two days left so if you have a rare pizza if you don't know what that is you probably don't have one don't worry about it like yes to crypto i don't think you have one because this is like early early days but it's a it's something that was the nft collection that was created to support pizzadao it's what they you know a lot of funding over the years has come from those nft sales if you don't already have one the snapshot's already been taken so don't go buy one just to vote on this because it's too late but if you do have one sitting around that you're like oh yeah i forgot i had that thing go vote in the discord and there's a link right here to go to it

what the original one was from that they also have sponsors they've also done gitcoin grants for years so they were always part of the gitcoin grants funding for a long time for big events they always bring in sponsors as well because they you know they're they drive a crowd so it's always a good partnership to sponsor with them and that usually helps them cover you know basic costs and things like that and also you know because it gets expensive for some things like when they do eat denver that's a that's a pricey event mhmm when they're trying to fund you know 200 pizza parties around the world on may 22 you know that that adds up so they they try and find sponsors to help them out and keep it going yeah cool so but it's a it's a fun little organization pizza through you know learning about crypto through pizza we go in through is it a proper daw it is a proper daw it is a proper daw yes so you can submit if you have either somebody can sponsor you i believe or if you have a rare pizza and i don't know the exact mechanics on this i forgot you can put in a proposal to for to get to get them to help you pay for pizza for an event so that's what this is about so this will pay for the pizza so you estimate how many you're gonna need and where it's gonna be and all the info and you can get it sponsored i had my students do this by the way years ago when we were doing an event it's a long story but anyway they actually put in a proposal in the pizza dough channel went through the process and it was a good learning experience they got approved and one of those students is still doing some things related to crypto some cool stuff so this was years ago so a lot of fun alright moving on this from oops moving on maybe this from zherring i needed a distraction from doing taxes and bookkeeping yesterday so i made so i made it jailbreak your farcaster and x bookmarks search users from across platforms e g from vitalik get a nifty report and view bookmarks by topic download as json or markdown for your projects and agents so pretty cool cool little project love it

yeah i know distracted

so i know but i'm i'm know that i'm limited and there have been times where they've saved me because i'm like i know i i grabbed this thing and where is it and i'll go look for it and it's in my bookmarks but i don't do them that often i do them more on twitter than i do over on farcaster and i think that's and but i revisit the ones on farcaster probably more than i do on twitter and probably that's related to the location it's easier to bookmark on twitter

so i probably bookmark more but i don't visit as often if that makes sense

the the moment like the time period where things were too close together i mean you had zero x designer coming in and like redesigning that moment because it was like making everyone crazy yeah but i do i do would i would love to have it i don't know i shouldn't say that i was gonna say i would love to have it in an easier place but i probably wouldn't i think it would just clutter i think it would just cause clutter for me

you don't at all

to them go back to them

with probably so we we and and but where the people have a literal discord of thousands of book essentially bookmarks links to things about barcaster and have a whole app i mean it's built into the website and the mini app now so that's also another place by the way that you can search for cast but these are cast that we chose not necessarily that you chose curated curated they're curated newsworthy i don't know how to say that in italian

newsworthy casts but you can also search by vitalik and see what when we when we talked about vitalik that is another another opportunity for looking for vitalik casts alright moving on hold on gotta get these ones open come on open for me i've got a few more a few more casts from some builders building stuff and then we'll call it a day

how's where today going by the way what else you did do you created a word search that was fun we showed that the other day

love that

okay

so if anything's breaking you know who to tag not me

yeah

take that feedback

i am so i was trying to fix i finally did some stuff around formcaster the the thing that i created so you can create forms and it pulls the barcaster data in automatically and i was giving access to some folks and some things weren't working so i went in to make some edits but then i couldn't preview it and i couldn't deploy it that was something so this is where i was like i don't know if this is me problem or them problem and then i just kinda went okay we're gonna check this back later so now today i'll go in later today and see now that things seem to be working on my end and try and diagnose like why it's not working for me but i was trying to preview it and then i'm like do i just go ahead and just publish it and not preview it i'm like i feel like i should preview these things first this is me vibe coding things and i have no business doing that speaking of vibe coding here's what happened this weekend big this is from our friend mike big thanks to everyone who attended today's hack a day hack day hack a day hack day at the nyc coinbase office it's amazing to watch ideas become real apps in such a short amount of time be on the lookout on x and farcaster for the next one thread with highlights and i believe in here it did share some of the things that were built agents built custom t shirt stores economic theory testers march madness games and more we saw open claw alternatives ens powered identity protocols for agents agentic coding harnesses among other projects small group of builders came together irl too share tips for agent i think that was first building not agent fist building but i'm first opine on the latest rollouts in the crypto space bounce ideas off each other show off what they're building have fun experimenting extra special thanks to igor from bankr for co birthing this idea into reality this pilot program warrants another episode stay tuned so very cool farcaster intern asked what was your favorite project and mike said hard to pick just one but my favorite overall takeaway from the day was watching people with no coding background turning their ideas into real apps very fun so that's what i meant by yeah little vibe coding little vibe coding segue there and of course pizza there's always pizza especially when you're in new york into some saddish news clanker mon updates starting today will be sunsetting the current version of the platform including the mini app and any game mechanics released to date why sunset it how it will happen what now next why sunset the current version number one it's too expensive to maintain number two it's too slow to develop the first has been killing us slowly for some time the second made it hard to get to a point where we could get out from under number one and when life made it impossible to make progress we sunk under the pressure we had allowed to build up reality is we should have hard paused months ago and allowed ourselves the space to pivot into a sustainable model we didn't and that was my call i was wrong and ultimately my lack of foresight and contingency planning put us in an unwinnable position and for that i am sorry how it will happen starting today the mini app will make it easy to export your assets this will be available until march 28 after this date the primary way to export your assets will be via home.privy.io plus some external migration tools for older users to rescue assets from previous smart wallet iterations etcetera so by the way i would i would recommend that if you have anything in clankermon it's super easy to do few clicks very easy to withdraw any funds you have there any assets like your clanker mon nfts all the things super easy to do go do it before march 28 it's gonna be very simple after that it's gonna get a little more complicated so definitely go do that like now not now but wait till after the show but then do that

adrienne adrienne i know how you get every time she learns something during the show she goes and does it don't do it right now what well if i do it

i just said i did it last night it's very easy and i did it last night and i was having internet problems so i did it on like cell data on a you know come on so it'll be it'll be fine this i continue on from matthewfox what now next more things made it made it to 90% than whatever made it to the into the app itself this was because of how complex we let our upgrade paths get everything took way more coordination than a small team could handle leading into a backlog as long as the blockers that kept them there that said without the burden of dealing with the current build there's an opportunity for a much lighter leaner build where these ideas can be explored in a much lower pressure environment i want to explore these and i want to be explicitly transparent that there is next to no resources to dedicate to this there is no team there are no funds to bootstrap this these resources were exhausted on the current version and the next iteration will need to be much more scrappy and resourceful which leaves timelines up in the air for now in the sunset flow in app now you can share some contact details towards the end if being part of what might come next interests you please share these details and i'll be in touch as soon as there is more to share as a side tangent there's a lot of smart talented people in our community in this next iteration opening up the process process to let others contribute is one thread i would love to explore once there's something to build upon thank you for supporting us with your time energy or money it really did mean a lot and that was clankeron.com

so last time we had matthew on which wasn't that long ago and we've had them we had matthew and eric on many times over the past couple years and the last time we had him on he was talking about how they really needed to build their own like basically l three chain of some sort because the cost even on an l two were just too high to make it sustainable so there had to be and and for a lot i mean some of the stuff they were creating was really extensive like even just the animations they would do like they were just really incredibly well done so i'm sure that was taking up a lot of you know resources in presenting it that way so i get it but sad very sad very very sad

yeah anyway any any comments any thoughts that you wanna share

yeah just a good guy good yeah you know he and eric were a great team like they were so fun to work with i worked with them on you know we did the they had the trivia app too which is so good would love it back but i'm not gonna say anything right now because they're a little busy dealing with this but they were just really good to work with really good to work with in terms of like coordinating and whatever and just really smart thoughtful and i feel bad that they got to this point where they just felt like they couldn't get out from under what they had already built in order to you know get it to where they knew they needed to go in order for it to be successful so yeah it makes me sad for them

i mean there's also market forces that just crush you and know like if you're hoping that you're you know gonna be able to you know use certain funds in a certain way and then price drops by half you know like with ethereum or even you know your own token or whatever right your planning goes out the window so that's unfortunate

really well designed really well designed yeah yeah so they got skills they got serious mad skills in terms of their developer skills it's just unfortunate that like the numbers that the the the economics of the thing just didn't didn't work unfortunately so

yeah

yeah same and you can see it it's kind of a a bit of a long video it's about not long but i mean it's like five minutes if you want to no it's nine minutes i apologize where he really talks a little bit more in deep about their journey and a lot of it's summarized in this thread but if you want to give that a look see he goes into a little bit more there alright moving on to happier news hopefully this from shawmakesmagic babylon is live play.babylon.market so we had shaw on in october i had to go back and go when did we have him on when we were talking about this october so this has been in the works for and it was in the works before that like when he was showing you know when when he was talking about it so this has been coming for quite a while so babylon is live play.babylon.market let me explain wtf it is babylon is a new kind of game where you can play the market yourself or command an army of agents to do research share insider information scam other agents or even make trades and predictions it is so essentially it's crypto twitter in a game environment it's fully synthetic universe and training ground for agents to learn and also it reminds me of like you know dx terminals game as well i think it's a little different but you know as like another approach to this same kind of same kind of thing it's fully synthetic universe and training ground for agents to learn how to build relationships and share information how to resist scamming in open world environments how to make good bets based on available information you can bring your own agents so that's a little different with support for open claw melyy hermes etcetera melyy has agents okay or use our eliza agents in the interface when we launched eliza many people asked us what can my agent do a lot of people wanted agents that could play prediction markets or trade for them i love this in theory but in implementation we suspected it wouldn't work with today's models and this was confirmed by our own experiments they don't make more money than just holding bitcoin for example but i believe it is possible if we follow conventional wisdom prove the model in a simulation and collect the right data babylon's inputs and outputs are designed to follow the input and output actions of our prediction market and perp integrations so we can apply this training data to real markets in the future however i think macro trend here might be that games become oracles for prediction markets and prediction markets largely become largely synthetic there are always things to do and the resolution is instant and deterministic so we can have very fast markets based on more interesting information than simply a price oracle or something okay i'm not gonna continue on with this it's a little bit long because shaw tends to be wordy but i'll just jump to what's next really quick we are launching babylon to all devices including ios and android it's a points based game so we can get wide distribution to people who are interested in the ai angle but might not be crypto folks so that's important we're also working with the ef and solana foundation to bring babylon fully on chain we registered hundreds of thousands of users and agents to erc eight zero zero four and solana eight solana eight zero zero four we're working on the fully autonomous fully on chain version with fully on chain assets running inside tees funded and managed by daw so really interesting experiments here we should get him back on i think i would wanna play around with this first before we get him back on so i have a better understanding of how this all works but go check it out by the way how funny is down below is there a ca no there is no ca he just said it was points you pay you you people pay no attention i think that's really funny but really interesting go check it out play.babelon.market very cool and you know seeing all these so the the external law which we mentioned ended last week that was like a twenty one day game and it was really interesting because immediately you could see some things that were playing out that it it was it human it was the humans behind it that were doing some things and it's like oh you always gotta remember that somewhere back there is a is a human who's prompting things or making some decisions who's choosing you know the strategies and things like that so you still had whales you still had whales who you know they went into one coin only they cashed out and they did nothing else and they ended up on the top of the leaderboard because they played you know that's like what he was commenting about not making more money than just holding bitcoin so there's always like you can keep trying these things but sometimes it ends up being this you know sort of the the you know the old school thing still wins gold still goes up in value that kind of stuff unfortunately not always not today but some days but i it's interesting though you know i think it's interesting i think it's a really good way like i love the x terminal in that you know there's so much data and so much they're learning from that game and i think it's the same thing with babylon you're gonna learn so much you're gonna gather so much data it's gonna be very useful i do think it's interesting that it's not on chain dx terminal was was on chain but within a closed environment except for the last final coin so you know interesting approaches lots to be learned and compared so yeah it's cool

we'll see

good point

yep there's always game theory yeah there's always game theory of what for sure good point

very true okay few more things this from dwr m p p myths so last week we talked a lot about tempo it was all over our timeline because there was a hackathon going on in san francisco there was the stripe commons going on in mexico city there was just a lot of chatter about this and there was mpp and now i've forgotten what mpp means machine payments protocol thank you i'm like i have completely forgotten what that means so mpp miss mpp only works with tempo no it's a payment method it's payment method agnostic works with crypto and fiat any chain it's already been extended to bitcoin lightning there's a draft extension for solana it costs 1.5% to use no inherent costs to using mpp individual payment methods may charge fees but there's no different than today blockchains have different fees fiat method have different fees did i do this last week maybe i did it's less open mpp launched with four payment methods on day one tempo stablecoin stripe visa lightspark which is interesting the bitcoin lightning visa and lightspark were each able to extend mpp in a matter of days mpp does not have a complicated foundation structure it's been designed to be simple and extensible by anyone it's also been submitted to the ietf as a web standard it's it's session based versus pay per request mpp supports both the most basic version is pay per request session payments payment channels are useful when you want many small payments in succession at the speed of apis not blockchains fewer api round trips also mean mpp is faster in practice that seems like for games and things like that it would make sense mpp is specifically designed for tempo stripe it's designed to be as simple as possible no complicated facilitator no assumptions about specific smart wallet implementation stable coins or chains it separates secure http communication from the payment rails that's why visa and lightspark could extend it so quickly do you think that point is really interesting the visa and lightspark part of it bitcoin has always struggled to be used as a payment for payments for a number of reasons it's slower it's just because it was early is what it comes down to so it's interesting to see that this is making it a little bit more possible and i know that there's things going on with with block and cash app and jack dorsey working on some things with stable he's finally giving into stable coins and things like that so it's just interesting to see that bitcoin is starting to move more into payments where that has been a bit limited so interesting this from diviflyy due to quotients on setting their forecast reputation system we've adjusted the reputation scores on empire to utilize neynar scores combined with influence to recreate a robust forecaster reputation system shout out to nope mm-mm nope whatever that word is nope

so i'm going with zogaloo zogaloo and rish for making this possible and a big thank you to ruminations for the quotient support over the past months a legendary builder can't wait to see what you ship next and we know what ruminations is working on and they've been doing some really cool things with geopolitical well prediction markets in general but specifically that's been a big big part of that and markets so very cool but good to see the empire builder team shipping we love we love them so keep going this is interesting from pichi almost a year ago i wrote a long cast comparing doing well in farcaster to toto washlet's bidets today i found an amusing bathroom sign i think it was the sign to bring the article back farcaster is comfy now and the sign says good poo is born in a comfy place and her cast i remember this go give it a read but it really it really did a a very fun approach to casting and things like you know don't talk shit don't follow shit make your own shit change shit if it's not working don't reply with shit don't know shit clean up your shit don't post shit so and it was really a funny approach to that so go give that a read this from jrf i used clogcode to create my n c double a bracket currently at 93% success only behind one person who's at 100% and then it actually went up to 96% not sure how he's doing now jrf we need an update i'll have to go check out and see how he's doing actually really quick let me go see if he has an update on how his cloud code bracket is is going let me see how you doing how you doing i don't think he gave me update oh oh oh got it got it yes how's he doing update i am now in first place 91.4 97.1% that's crazy alright cloud code there you go the ai has taken over the brackets and lastly this was so funny linda i was telling my husband about the whole chapel rhone and georgino's i don't know if i'm saying that name right daughter drama today and halfway through the story he just says he has no idea who chapel rhone is and to me the fact that he doesn't if you know who that is i think that's bullish i think that's a good thing i think you know one of the most prolific builders in crypto building really cool infrastructure and swaps and all that if you don't know who that is i think that is fantastic i think that's a good thing that's great i did ask does he know who taylor frankie paul is and she said i didn't even know who that was until this bachelorette season was canceled

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but i don't know if i can find somebody who could answer these things yeah and if you miss the chapel room she she her her security said some little girl walked by her table like 11 year old girl walked by her table to kinda look and see if it was her like recognized her and then went back to her table to eat breakfast they're at some hotel in brazil i think and the the security walked over and like basically berated them and the little girl starts crying turns out the stepfather is some big soccer player footballer in brazil the mom is a singer from ireland and the dad the biological dad is jude law so it's now gone viral and everyone's like you know ready to just roast her completely and her response wasn't great either i saw a response from her and i'm like no you probably would have been better off saying nothing and just letting it blow over

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it's incredible it's incredible yeah i mean you know this is the thing that takes me out of what's happening in the real world that i don't want to even know about but unfortunately i do because i'm too informed and mhmm yeah this is my escape so there you go but that stuff was just all over my feet everywhere i just couldn't get away from it so i was like what is this i i didn't see it till like a couple days later but then i like what is going on with this but i did find it fascinating anyway that's it anything else adrienne before we sign off for the day

go play word a day go go see what the word is today what is the word today i know i did it oh wary

wary not weary no she may be wary but is she wary is the question

yeah do that yeah we'd love to have you over come on over you know what we need to make starter packs great again to get people you know get people to follow and start just to make it a little easier so that

but i had to but i do think if you give the list if you give your interests and then give a list yeah

like you just need to make it better is is what it comes down to and then also oh wait what what's going on wait what's happening we're today coming to better with burr

is that i don't know is this a permissionless collab because i love that yeah wait love that for you

so but yes better with burr is gonna do a word a day collab i love that amazing amazing plants has been plantsn burr have been cooking with this app so if you haven't checked out the better with burr app go check it out mini app they're doing all kinds of collabs and i was so confused on the letter loops i'm like wait i thought there was already a letter loops like i thought they created their own but i get it now they're collabing with other people and then creating like an experience

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so you're basically playing that game but you're earning like points over there and possibly earning some rewards awesome i love that furr we love you you're the best sigwater good point i'd be wary of not getting it on this collab yeah alright everybody that's it for us this week we are only on today and thursday so only two days this week and then we are off all next week because we are on vacay with our kiddos so the moms are are taking a taking a little week off with the kiddos so make sure you're here thursday because you know that's when everything's going to happen i don't know what it is what's gonna happen but that's when it's definitely gonna happen whatever it is for the next week or so

oh yeah

next week next week but i thought it was okay well we'll i'll jump in there

are green but they're picking up the purple and i just kinda love maybe i'll just always do green nails from now on and just match my background purple back i just thought that was funny what were you gonna say zora

there you go follow us in all the places our schedule changes often set your notice and we will see you on thursday until then everybody bye bye