are we live are we live what we're vibing we're vibing i don't know if everyone can hear this by the way i think my i don't know if you also can hear can you hear the grounds crew outside
oh good
awesome because it is loud but you've got some music going on what's that music adrienne tell us
okay this is original music from downshift if you follow him on farcaster he's i would say he's a dj but that's just one of his identities i'd say but he's yeah he shared some of his original music i've been listening to it i just have always loved people who are making things with farcaster and then share it so i asked him if we could play it
and youtube if you're listening this is we did get permission we have copyright permission so don't don't do anything weird so we wanted to start with that and just get a good vibe going because we got a good show today i'm excited we got some news we got some builders doing some cool stuff we've got an amazing guest julia from zeroshadow cybersecurity stuff they were one of the first to see the binance hack to like to call it out and help to get some things frozen before it got really bad it did get bad but at least they were able to get some things frozen on tether oh listen to that little up upbeat alright so we're gonna distracting
not gonna keep it going the whole show but we're just doing it for the cold open and it's fun so alright guys we're gonna get rolling and we will be back on the other side of this forty one seconds
welcome to gm farcaster bringing you everything from breaking news to spicy memes to the deep lure shaping this vibrant digital community more than just a show gm farcaster is your digital third space where the community connects the stories unfold and the culture thrives whether you're a daily caster or just dropping by we've got the latest buzz to keep you plugged in so grab your coffee and let's dive in with your hosts nounish prof and adrienne for another episode of gm farcaster
gm farcaster it is tuesday november 10 and you are here with nounish prof and adrienne for thirty seven minutes of musical vibes and news to start your day and we're gonna have an amazing guest julia from zeroshadow will be joining us in just a bit at the top of the hour also adrienne this is episode 400 of g m farcaster
yes this is it this is episode 400
400 seems like a lot
way that does not include all the bonus episodes all the other stuff we've done all that kind of thing this just includes like our show that we you know the the various episodes so i am retweeting a little bit more live with episode 400 to get some folks in here
we got so excited when we would hit milestones like we did 30 i know it's amazing that seems so anticlimactic
three years and 400 episodes so yeah it's kinda crazy it's kinda wild that we made it this far this was just a crazy little idea that we that we had and dan let us do it so there you go well he didn't stop us i should say i think he was i think he was like okay it was like along those lines alright yeah sure if you want to but here we are let me just i'm just posting this from all different things so that we can get more folks in here usually i'm not doing this much but it is episode 400 and we have a cool guest coming up
yeah why don't you retweet too you can do some retweeting as well now we'll get started
downshift was what we the music we started with because he had posted this hi i'm downshift i'm a dj he's been producing house music for about eight years anyone who'd like to hear my original music links to follow regenerate is darker more minimal tech what you got next is more funky and groovy which one were you playing by the way
regenerate okay
what you got next it kinda that one sounded funky and groovy so that makes sense okay
cool and then you got about like a third of a second of regenerate okay cool very nice go to soundcloud
there you go on soundcloud go watch it out it is pretty funky and groovy liked it alright into some news we have this from coinbase introducing coinbase national trust our federally chartered trust company occ approved crypto's becoming the banks there you go here we are who knew who knew this is where we're gonna end up but here we go so congrats coinbase i know they've been working for that for a while hopefully it won't get messed up in the next legislative term but we shall see this from bradq twenty nine seconds of farcaster what did you miss this weekend purple daw voted to end it was very sad chris co created our john tupana combining to create one last commemorative artwork so and we're gonna talk a little bit more about this but yes purple dow has wound up and if you have tokens from the dow if you're a voting member you have some eth to claim eth and usdc so make sure you do that qc is forking funny i don't know what that is a learn and earn farcaster has a new offering to create a video we're gonna talk about that in a second actually two clanker turned two and now toadyhawk gets to work his magic more on that i've been seeing more base friend stuff but barely know what it is same sorry i've been seeing tipping is coming and you own key you own keys and arsalang.eth is the builder but this kind of thing is cool and it's kart kartshin kkrtashin,.eth created a guide these links this link to the twenty nine seconds of forecaster will be in our show notes and the links to all those things will be in there too and then finally dan took the opportunity to build another client yeah we'll be talking about that in just a second he's been he's been testing testing testing a lot moving on we have two what what biology is calling farcaster prizes that are open right now he did a couple we talked about these last week there was a couple that were out there these are two new ones and if i'm understanding correctly we may be seeing one of these every day apologies for our sake i wouldn't mind if you maybe shifted that to at least every other day because it's a lot and i like to learn as much as the next person i keep checking to see if there was another one that dropped just in case i don't wanna miss one but here's the first one do 1,024 usdc in prizes for videos on tebow sorting yes i did check to see how to pronounce that it looks like taubout taibout but it's not it's tebow new farcaster prize just dropped we have a series of new prizes teed up on important ideas you should be familiar with think of this as an interactive book club first big idea thibault sorting everyone in crypto should know the work of charles thibault in 1956 he published a short paper called the pure theory of local expenditures that provided mathematical rigor behind the idea of voting with your feet his core idea was that if there were many small jurisdictions each offering a different bundle of fees and services then residents would move to the one that best fits them he goes on to explain a little bit more about that and the task is you make a fifty nine second or less vertical video with nineteen sixteen aspect ratio on tibo sorting assume your viewer has absolutely no contracts context to the starting coal talk to them in concrete terms anyone can understand to explain the idea of tybaud sorting feel free to use ai but don't make it look like look or sound like ai slop we'll give 512 usdc for first place $1.28 each for up to four runners up subject to whether there are enough good submissions winners are paid in usdc to their public farcaster wallet addresses by default to enter reply to this post with your vertical video this prize runs for three days exactly from this post time stamp and go read the original tape paper by here and then the various popularizations use ai to learn about it too then reply to this post with your video the best will earn a prize so you've got academic papers there all kinds of fun stuff i do like this tibo sorting little graphic and i am actually working on a video so there you go nice
i'm gonna record myself in terms of the audio but i'm not gonna just do my face so i've been doing some images using some ai and i gotta put it all together at the end and adding a little bit of my own
blur to it but i also i wanna write about it because i started getting me thinking about florida and voting with your feet and when i moved here and the elections last week so there's a bigger thing that this got me thinking about that i'm gonna write about as well on my my paragraph and my substack so that'll go with it so i'm just kinda doing the video as a push to get me to do some writing so that's it and it's gonna be a little i'm just gonna tell you my images are adorable but it's gonna be cringey and it is gonna be what it is and that's it and we're not we didn't show any videos from last time we're not gonna show any videos from this time like we're not like because it would just take too long because we'd have to show everybody's to be fair
they're on the feed you can find them yeah you can find them in maybe we'll show them all the different clients well we didn't even show the winner i mean we we talked about the winners we didn't show them
this is all new though we don't know what no no no yeah or but is there gonna be a warplet in your images there is say angel wants to know maybe okay
there there is one image you'll just have to wait and see
you'll have to wait and see i i was gonna i was gonna say no and then i just remembered that yes there is but you'll have to see where and how and how that all comes about because i had a little specific like direction where i'm going with it so you'll see but i do think this is an interesting concept it doesn't always play out but here's what i really like about this and this is why we kept saying when we're getting a lot of pushback on all the things wanna wait and see we don't know what this is we don't know what this new forecaster is we still don't everything's new they've been really focused on security and locking things down and turning things over and all that kind of stuff that you do in a transition and now we gotta see what this turns into and if it's interesting and if people stick around and if it's gonna be cool or if it's gonna be whatever so i to me like i i'm a lifelong learner anytime i can either relearn something or learn something new for me this is like a concept i remember from undergraduate days and that's like part of my degree was economics but i haven't thought about this in you know years so this is interesting to me but i you know other people may find it incredibly not interesting and that's fine too and guess what we have alternative clients adrienne
they can vote with their feet
an alternative client
i haven't recently i will just say that like i have but again years yeah decades
i read the paper yeah i was like oh i so i'm also a little academic minded like leaning you know and it's like yeah you wanna learn new things i so i think it's cool yeah the
very cool
i think the paper is less than 10 pages long and it's definitely gives stuff to talk about
i just wanted to make a first of all warplet is not a demon he's just a cute little monster no one's ever thought of him as a real demon besides say angel that's his choice
he's also not an official mascot right like it's okay prof was back we she's back but we could but we could hear her alright i'm back prof is back is it hurricane season prof
no it's not hurricane season no i didn't hit my mic by by mistake it just did something weird can you hear me you can hear me right am i good now
okay let's try this again i don't know what's going on that was weird it's streamyard just kinda cut out of me and disappeared in my yeah i don't know if my internet just disappeared for a second anyway let's move this along quickly so my point was somebody had said that we had shadow banned them i think they're talking about oh maybe it was something with now i'm not even seeing the some of the links anyway
that was
olive branch was talking about it so olive branch if you are if you're if you decided not to accept yes you may not be your cast may not be seen on the main farcaster client farcaster reference client network state farcaster client i don't know what we're calling it right now but that one so you may not be seen on there but you're probably seen on other clients so recommend looking at fire firefly quillcast quorum terminus app there's duke audio vibecaster there's a whole bunch so check one of those out and you're probably able to have access there so but i don't know if that's what happened because i'm not sure who you are so don't know your situation but we are just gm farcaster not farcaster so we can't speak to every situation they just let us stream to their site quiet mookie i don't have time for this today
not people probably don't realize that that we're not actually we're not part of the farcaster team never have been we're independent we're we do our own thing but we talk about farcaster and have for three years so we often stream to farcaster to the farcaster x account
yeah so that i know that's confusing alright moving on let's try and get a few more things in before our guest gets here hopefully we didn't we didn't disappear from x though right we were still streaming
hopefully
we're on x and just so you know there is a stream the the xstreamyard like stats integration stuff is still off
yeah i can tell
okay just making sure we're good yeah me disappearing didn't mess something up okay here's the other one there's one more farcaster prize that is available videos on communistic societies of the united states next up an interactive book book club the communistic societies of the united states by charles nardhawk by the way this is from 1875 so it is available in the public domain you can find it in apple books but you also can find it elsewhere on the web because it's no longer under copyright so it doesn't cost anything it's free it's also very long so you might wanna just you know use your ai for a little summary back in 1875 communistic meant something more like profitable voluntary commune or startup society than its modern meeting around that time nordhoff toured america's intern intentional communities like the shakers harmonist oneida and amana shakers are the only one i had heard of those he wrote down their operational details internal economies bylaws and failures it's one of the best primary sources we have on successful and unsuccessful startup societies we want a video that discusses this book and these communities what did they have in common why did some last a century while others collapsed in years and what can anyone starting new communities today learn from the past and your task make a fifty nine second or less vertical video with a nine sixteen aspect ratio on this book assume your viewer has absolutely no context and is starting cold free feel free to use ai but please make it look and sound please don't make it look and sound like ai slob
proposals you can distribute to multiple recipients but it maxes at a 100 so it would have been like five different proposals to do that came back worked with splits worked beautifully very easy you can go in and claim your portion so shout out splits for just once again being amazing so
that was my amazing and you know what else i found when i claimed yeah i had other funds to be claimed that i don't from from other splits so like if you go to your you it's a little confusing on how to find your claim because
it's okay you have to
you gotta look for your wallet address yeah
your wallet which holds your tokens then when you go there the splits is it's actually not even specific to purple it just shows you all the splits addresses that may have funds for that wallet so i was like so i saw my purple funds and then i saw like a whole bunch of other ones that i don't know where it's from so there may be
well and some of it was like there was other tokens that were in the the purple treasury that also might
yeah so it could be that but it might
something else it could have been something else but that was
yeah can i say what's just a just a shout out to purple yeah as like being such a integral part of early forecaster days and i think there was some discussion around you know when things end people feel like you know like as if it's as if it didn't work or it's a failure because it didn't live forever i have like a completely different view it it was made such an impact early on for that part things don't have to live forever things like change also it was never called purple dao never we you like weren't allowed to call it a dao no dao it was just purple but it's been so quiet for so long we have to i've noticed that everyone has to call it daw now because no one knows what anyone's talking about when we just say purple
alright do we lose prof again and is it because every time she touches her microphone she gets off of streamyard yes water break everyone drink water
okay so it's definitely my wi fi super fun it's just
no it had nothing to do with that that was weird
yeah so cat facts professor when you go off i have nothing to talk about because i have no links i don't know
i don't even have you just don't have
the really i don't have an agenda i don't have an agenda of what even we're supposed to be talking about today you need to not
well if i disappear when the guest gets here at least you have something to talk about alright so we were talking about purple anyway moving on one last monument to purple this is from chrislocreated purple had a vibe and energy and a collective creative momentum that deserves to be marked permanently before the dust settles our john tophan and i are setting up an open commission to create a definitive piece commemorating the seniors the process is transparent community funded community shortlist and curated together join the commission pool so if you want to take some of the funds that you got back from purple and put them to help fund some artwork this is where you can do it and this link will be in our show notes anyone can donate to it it doesn't have to be somebody from purple so anyways back to really quick because i didn't get to say anything about purple they were also the first dao created by chris on nouns builder even before builderdao like they were created first because just because of various reasons but pretty impressive oh and i see julia is here let me just hit a couple quick things and then we'll bring her up and if i disappear keep going adrienne alright really quick toadyhawk is now in charge of clanker so clanker reboot two years ago almost to the day clanker was born right here on the purple app are we still the purple app yes we are the idea was simple make it possible for anyone to launch a token just by posting on the timeline and tagging clanker who had lots of personality and a wife named angela the timing was right and it caught on like wildfire suddenly even people who never thought they'd launch a token were trying it out in the feed i even clanked my first meme token on day one to see how it all worked if you search hard you can probably find it i probably own some i don't remember what it was called over the ensuing years clanker went on a jenny run expanding from fc to xfeed and becoming the highest volume launchpad on base by far birthing some of the most iconic tokens and token communities of that era including bankr drb faire and more so many builders on farcast and beyond turned to clanker to bootstrap their ideas and find their first 1,000 true fans legends like jake a town tomo darko clank tokens for their projects some like emily junior even took it upon themselves to clank tokens for other people's projects adrienne i don't know if you know but brock has money just wanna mention it and when net knows and i decided to build a better gotcha app for creator discovery we clanked our native token on day one too there's just always something fundamentally op about clanking tokens right here on the feed talks about it's way too long toady got very wordy anyways moving on i mean he even goes back to since i was 17 nope it's too long he does give a shout out to to us for our stewardship of the clanker ecosystem fund thanks thanks shadi and then talks about where he's going with this so they're working with this is mass network had taken over clanker one i believe is also working with them and is handling their socials over on x and lots of things coming i have noticed they've really upped their game with videos and imagery and it's looking much cuter and a little bit more fun so more to come more to come but congratulations toady i think that is the perfect steward for clanker in its next season and clanker had its little birthday as well so there he is and clanker did have a moment due to this pop up for a second if you caught that little wave hopefully you got out before it did this but it had a moment because it's by the way just checking out the the the oh we copied farcaster again yeah but good job good job x looking good
so there we go so clanker is still clanking
by the way on us on our four hundredth episode adrienne had posted youtube month in preview email as passive aggressive telling us to get a life professor because we had wow great work remember to keep your well-being in mind establish a sustainable schedule for yourself because we had 35 new uploads we're like you're doing too much you're just doing way too much and also what we've had last month was we were in the top 1% of streamers on streamyard which that was a little shocking so in terms of number of minutes fewer minutes so that was kinda crazy so everybody wants us to take a break oh we're not so well we're down to once a week for now while we figure out what we're doing with our lives but this kenny had stumbled upon some early poidh lore poidh the very first poidh bounty to mention gm farcaster back in december 2023 a bounty to get a screenshot from appearance and this inspired you to put a new one out there create a to share your favorite farcaster moment from gm farcaster today so we're gonna be bringing julia up from zeroshadow so find something from her interview that you found interesting and submit your your favorite moment and tell us why that you said why you think it was interesting one more really quick thing and then we'll bring julia up new lobby feature you can tap the purple icon to watch the most recent gm farcaster in the lobby app so there you go this is just gm farcaster news real quick and also we're gonna be sponsoring some poker within the lobby app so if you haven't minted our gm farcaster birthday nft you might wanna go do that because what would the token do well i'm not telling you but it's coming soon alright adrienne yes and i'm i'm really excited to talk about zeroshadow and learn more about what they've been up to because they've been crushing it so bringing up julia to the stage welcome
hi thanks for having me
we're excited to have you here first off for those who don't know what is zeroshadow who are you how did you end up there tell us a little bit about your team we've been hearing great things but a lot of folks may not be familiar so tell us the tell us the basics before we ask you a few other questions of exciting things you've been doing recently
absolutely so i'm one of the cofounders of zeroshadow and i run our investigations team zeroshadow was born out of instant response so we followed all of the major hacks initially as part of chainalysis and then became an independent company and we we really took all those lessons that we learned from doing especially the tracing side so looking at where did the funds go after an exploit and can we freeze those funds and recover those funds back for the victims we took all of those lessons that we've learned and we've turned them into more preventative solutions so we do a lot of work with with different dfi protocols and and trading desk to think about operational security and and monitoring and and all the different things that can actually prevent an exploit from even happening and then our our last little bit is that we also have a threat intel product which is really the goal of making sure that all the stolen funds information can get out more quickly to the services that can disrupt it
wow amazing and so were you with chain analysis also before it split out to zeroshadow
yes so i was an investigator really focused on on a lot of the the cross chain activity as that was becoming more and more frequent in different investigations and and then yeah took that with us
very cool what is your background i'm like what's the background of the rest of your team like how did how did you end up here doing investigations
yeah i originally was doing more financial consulting data analysis kind of work not really to crypto and got really personally interested actually it's it's a little funny now to think about but really with the private blockchains that were really popular in 2019 and i thought that that technology was really interesting and and wanted to figure out how to apply analysis to to the crypto space which is really what investigations is and incident response is our team is a really mixed group we have some a lot of former law enforcement who maybe approached the these investigations on the public sector side and then wanted to move over we also have different data analytics companies backgrounds and then different consulting backgrounds too and then lastly some engineers so people who are auditors or or were building projects that now wanna think about the security kinda side
so you guys recently got a nice shout out from i'm gonna pull that up from zach xpt who i'm sure everybody knows and i just wanted to share this all valid points as a reporter here's my perspective only flagging activity asks for a freeze when i have certainty of illicit activity crypto forensics josh and zeroshadow julia and taviano three five others are the only sources i can listen to blindly that is a big endorsement
because then he goes on to say others individual firms do not have the same competence which leads to false positives due to weak quality controls leads to frustrated users which simply unacceptable when you're in a business so that i thought was pretty impress pretty impressive and amazing that you got zach doesn't like anybody so that's that's pretty incredible
yeah we we've definitely done a lot of work with all those people and we're involved with c o nine one one too it's such a balancing act where you really want information to get out quickly and it requires a lot more investigators in the space to make sure that all the hacks can be followed and the data can be out but at the same time we repeatedly hear this this story from services that they're they're getting tracing that they they don't really trust that they don't know the source the the use of ai to do tracing has definitely been a big thing this year and and it can handle some some basics but it's not gonna know all the hidden services or the mixers and and then it can be really hard as a person receiving these these suspicious activity reports to understand what is what is the the true and what is the noise and and figure out how to actually action that especially when timing is so important for ever disrupting these funds we're seeing really less than thirty minutes per wallet so you you have to be really fast
so on that the binance hack that just happened am i understanding that you guys were seeing this like twenty minutes in you were calling it out to get some funds frozen is that accurate yeah
yes credible coordination is is so important and while the denominator for binance is really tough to to stomach i think the the amount that was frozen in a short amount of time is a is a huge win for the industry and and that really was coordination really really quickly so the moment that we're seeing why is 60,000,000 draining from binance are they doing that on purpose and probably they're not getting everyone organized across stablecoin providers different protocols binance itself seal $91.01 you really law enforcement you really name it making sure that everyone can can get the word out get the addresses out and and start to shut things down
yeah that was incredible though how quickly you guys spotted that what else is happening like cybersecurity wise that people should know about like how can people protect themselves and their wallets from what you guys are seeing i know it's been amping up like crazy recently yeah so what are the threats the new threats that you're seeing and how can we be better about protecting our our funds
yeah it's a great question so in the past two years even three years i think when we look at what's the breakdown why did exploits occur most of the time it's actually the off chain side rather than the on chain side so it's it's the human in the loop who is is making some kind of trust mistake and and potentially downloading malware or or has an api leakage those kind of things that are are really more about like thinking about your more traditional cybersecurity space so i was just at
the social engineering is still like one of the top things it seems like like wasn't this
it really is
yeah the laptop of an employee at finance that got
you
know manipulated through an interview through a fake interview
yeah if i understand it correctly that we see that's because of a a phone call or a compromised email or someone who thought that they were in a in a zoom meeting with their colleague but it's not really all of those things it's it's hard to to know and and the thing is that it sounds from a third party like oh it would be so easy to spot that but in reality it can be really tricky and when you're like in the moment you might not be thinking clearly and so
i had that happen to me i had somebody reach out who was supposedly a journalist from i think it was cointelegraph and it looked like their account it looked legit and i got on a zoom with them and luckily i didn't download the thing that they wanted me to download so it was the only thing that saved me but that was when all of a sudden i was started moving nft like crazy into a safe and all that because just in case i didn't think i had been compromised but i wasn't positive so i was moving everything like very fast while trying to like pretend like i was downloading whatever it is you wanted me because i was
like alright
this doesn't look right but i still wasn't positive that i was okay but you you know i fell for it and i had done like my checking and now i'm right do you know ever since then it was like okay i'm not trusting any of these requests that come in
yeah and and so what we what we really it's good that you thought about that because i think people oftentimes think oh it's just my telegram it's just my email it's even just this one wallet but the attack service can be so much bigger and once there's one entry point it can even pivot from one employee to the other or or one system to another and so you really need to think about like every aspect that could be vulnerable and and like the full scope and so another thing that can be really helpful for that is monitoring so having things like endpoint detection having your own laptops for a protocol so that you can really have logs and understand where something might be vulnerable it can really help with preventing it but then also making sure that if something does happen you know exactly how far it's spread because we have so many people come to us too and say i know that we had an exploit i know that this key was leaked but i can't figure out how much else they saw oh and that can take a lot of time to remediate yeah
and i i know that it seems like people are getting better about keeping separate laptops if you're working for larger companies i know you know personally i'm not thinking about that but i probably should be but i know that i've seen that i've heard that from multiple people who work for some of the larger companies like coinbase and things like that where they are very specific about what you can and can can't use your laptop for and and that kind of is that helpful at least to kinda prevent some things
absolutely so if you get that interview call or you are a developer and you're told to do a work assignment and at least it's if that is malware you can can know that that's contained to that one system and and it's not necessarily that everything that's happening personally is also happening with the work
activity right adrienne what other questions did i not think of you're the software engineer oh this is yours supposed to be your area of expertise
i don't know i think the cybersecurity landscape is so insane right now that you could have worked here forever and it's still like no one's ready it's just like it just seems like so robbing i don't have any specific questions julie is there anything else
you this is a good point it's a chinese
there's that too
prof i just shared a i just shared a tweet in in our private chat oh that i'm i i saw the other day that just like i i i really like just talking about threat models of joy have you heard of the what is it the james mickens cybersecurity threat model no okay i mean this goes back but just saying like in in this model there's three different protections needed so one think about your ex boyfriend with a vengeance like the basic how do you protect against that level so to protect from an ex boyfriend just have a strong password rotate every end weeks don't write it down and you know like two the criminals who want ransom to protect from these do the above but also upgrade and patch regularly three mossad and other state actors these are after if these are after you there's basically nothing you can do they will get what they're after and she goes on to say this model no longer applies basically live in a world where everybody's at that level three like there's no more ex boyfriends you're up against state level actors because
because of the ai abilities to to hack in yeah
yeah and what's what's interesting that we've seen with the the ai side is even if you feel really like you have a good management of it within your your protocol there's so many different supply chain risks and counterparty risk and they
might not
take it as seriously and
we saw that with ledger right yes that was crazy that was crazy that they just they had sold the company but had an nda nobody knew that the company was sold the resellers of ledger and for those who may not know and this was i think was in asia but then they they realized that it could be elsewhere in europe etcetera they the supply chain was definitely infected and that's
just alright then the physical they infected the physical devices like supply chain attacks yeah
yeah the physical devices were were impact were impacted so yeah what can you do
and there's been few even like mpm package kind of exploits this year where it's you think that if you're downloading the latest version then it's that's okay that's normal but like maybe they've had a compromise that's now coming to you so it's it's yeah it's been it's just this idea that yeah everyone is leveling up and they're just kind of like looking through and figuring out what's the one vulnerability that i can can enter into right
crazy yeah we've had so many different things happening lately yeah it's wild
i mean i think there's certain and julia like you were saying like there's certain basic security postures that and practices that you can adopt that were true twenty years ago and still are today in terms of like how you analyze your blast radius and your impact and kind of you're constantly trying to reduce your risk like your exposure but i think what's different is and i talked about this and i cast it like of of like in the old days security was really around just like protecting a perimeter
right
and there was like you could kind of do it once and you're done but it's like it is literally continuous now so like you could be safe
like you were talking about like firewalls like you build you put the firewall up and you're good
you put your perimeter around you know you know but like but it's also it's constantly changing so it's like you can't just you can relax for like a second as soon as you patch everything and you test everything and you're but like you can't relax then the next second so it just feels like it's continuous like you're it's there is like there's no done there's no like oh do security and then you're safe it's i think because the threats are gonna come every day a new one
yeah there there's a lot more tools coming out there that i think are trying to to work like ai on the good side to help with the the defensive aspects where it's can like continually do a a pen test and figure out like where you might have a new vulnerability or or some of these like things that are coming into something like a hyper native monitor where they're like evaluating a lot more holistically and and having ai integrated so that it can like start to be a little bit more dynamic so hopefully we're having a better conversation even next year about some of the offensive measures
yeah when you do you think it's easier in terms of financial crimes to track crypto than it is like a traditional financial crime and why or why not
yeah it's a great question it's a lot more public than a traditional financial crime which means that the private sector can get a lot more involved and whenever we've talked with with law enforcement they they really celebrate that and say that that's a a really important differentiator so if i had money stolen and it went into a bank account that would be the end of the trail you would need to wait sometimes months to be able to even get request the information to be able to to know where did the funds next go and what's the next tracing path but here we have a lot of public explorers we have the bridges that are that are really trying to make sure that they're they have readable cross chain information but then also just being very collaborative with different investigative teams we even have a lot more work happening on the data sharing side to try to make sure that when when there's suspicious activity that that that information can be shared with the private sector and that it's doing being done in a legally bound way and and allowing the trace to continue and so that the path to get to a place like a tether freeze on tron that that is 20 hops from the the very first movement of funds is can be done really quickly and is a lot more possible than trying to track cash going from a bank to to some other off chain place and so yeah the the kind of symbiotic relationship for the private sector and public sector is that place investigators like us we can be really real time and have people who can follow the sun and and work really quickly without as much red tape but then they have that that ability to then come after and make sure that all the legal process is in place yeah
yeah that's i think that because i think that's what gets confused with we hear this from lawmakers a lot of times that like or even just the normie people that the only people using crypto are are thieves and that's why because it's so much easier and they can't get caught and it's like not exactly it's actually easier if you just use cash it's like it's much harder to to track and it's much easier to use so i it's i think that's a misconception that a lot of people miss that you know when you are doing it on chain that you can follow it like you can see where it's going and especially if you're experienced like like you all are where you really have the tools to do that and to do it quickly it's like a whole different ballgame and i think that gets missed and i have those conversations a lot with i teach a blockchain class and they're brand new no most of them have never touched crypto before and that's always one of the myths and misconceptions that they have coming in so it's i just think that's really interesting that i think there's not enough education around that and how helpful it can be to law enforcement for example so
and it's a good point that you you might not even know who owns the wallet or exactly all the right back penetration but you can know that it's it's still one person's movements where it's not changing hands and and do that kind of analysis and still have really good results and worry about the who owns it part a lot later
right right and and the fact that you can put alerts up and stop the movement like which you can't really do with a lot of other types of financial products like cash you know you're not gonna be able to stop the movement of that of those funds what did i forget adrienne i'm sure i forgot something what else did we wanna cover i
while we what else is on your horizon while we have you here
yeah we're we're we're doing a lot more to to try to make sure that people do a lot of what we talked about on the preventative side to thinking about not just like following the the most major hacks but even thinking about like what's coming on in the news and can you apply those lessons to to your own circumstances and and think about your your wallets and the the on and the off chain and your instant response plan and just a lot of those different aspects that can show a lot of maturity we're seeing a lot more activity also just with with traditional finance as as a lot of different groups are and and they're demanding a a much higher level of security than than we've seen in the past and so that's been a a really nice collaboration also that zeroshadow is definitely continuing is is thinking about how do we level up all of the the existing players to make sure they can meet this financial market and then how can we educate all these newcomers from the banks and trading desks that are right thinking about like how do i even approach the risks that are in this in in defi or or when a hack happens or just it's it's a whole new new area so i think it's it's an exciting space though there's a lot of growth and maturity happening right now a lot of also really good initiatives that are happening things like the daw has relaunched and had a security fund that they're now operating there's been a lot more with some of the initiatives through seal they launched their frameworks which helps with another like certification that's a lot more web three
oh cool
focus so i think there's a lot of people like saying all the right things and we just need to keep pushing on those fronts
you mentioned the daw and for those who don't know that was the original daw back in the day that was hacked and that's why we have an ethereum fork so ethereum went one way and ethereum classic is the other one that's still proof of proof of work so if those aren't for the anyone who might be new and may not know that
yeah and they they still have that that money and they're now using it for security initiatives
which yeah i remember seeing that announced and i think that's fantastic because we need that more than ever right now amazing and i i love this that knows follow the money yep for real follow the money for real yeah adrienne
oh good question
yeah it's funny we we were none of us were marketing people coming into the company but thinking about what what should we name it and the idea was that there's nowhere to hide so zeroshadow so we're gonna be able to follow the trail and and make sure that we can uncover all of the the different illicit activity that's happening
by the way i love the logo this little panther dude and i assume he's a panther and the the the pink and blue neon is very better coated betterment coated but we're not supposed to say those words anymore anyway betterment had to had to go away but i see that knows as that's net knows as project so anyways
this has been amazing love what you guys are doing it's been really fun to see you guys get the shout out from zach xbt and just have you guys kinda be in the news for catching the finance act so quick and hopefully hopefully we don't see you in the news frankly i hope you're just behind the scenes like doing your thing and keeping everyone safe that we don't have to see you in the news i think that's actually better but we're
educating yes educating yes i not in response to like $6,300,000,000 hack
wanna see that but i think that just as a society we shouldn't like pretend we don't need security and yeah that the threats aren't there so like an educated society is better absolutely and i'm really glad julia that there's people like is there a shadow doing the work you're doing
let me yeah
thanks so much yeah we're good to we'll we'll definitely continue to be there for all the the big hacks that are happening but it's it's really good to have an opportunity like this to be able to talk with people about all the different other things that they can do on the security landscape besides wait for the the battle
wait for the to
come and then think about it afterwards so thank you so much for for having me and
thank you for coming anytime you wanna
come back to things yeah we'd love to have you
great
it's great to meet you thanks julia have a great day bye bye
mikado pointed out they're followed by patrick collins
do you fun fact do you know patrick collins is how how i i was gonna say i got into crypto that's such a lie because it's not how i got into crypto i don't know why i would say that it's how i got back into coding oh because cool i was i was into crypto but as my story goes i stopped like doing hands on software engineering work in like 2008 maybe and i couldn't get my head around blockchain like i had been studying it and using it but i was like i need to actually see the code and i took a i took a sabbatical from work in the summer of twenty two and went through patrick collins' like thirty hour
oh that was who
i remember you went through the course i didn't connect those dots okay
and more that's like so it was like oh okay so then i could actually get hands on and like see blockchain and like how it works but it was also like my first introduction hands on to just like all modern engineering like we did it at work i was completely hands off like i was so i have a patrick collins special place in my heart oh i've known him
well there we go well thanks for bringing that up pichi doe
alright i didn't connect those i just didn't remember i didn't remember that was who i remember the course that you took but i didn't remember that connection very cool thank you netnose yes it is our 400 john not sure what you mean but it wasn't us definitely wasn't us but okay
means but
i have no idea i assume they
they mean that we have somehow to do with the ruining
that the dwaning of farcaster was somehow our fault okay i've heard a lot of stuff over the past few weeks so it's been fun also
are we coals now i don't know interesting so oh i wanted to i wanted to mention this i don't i honestly have no idea who olive branch is i don't know if you have a different name on farcast or if you do drop it in the chat because i i don't know who you are but i might know you on farcaster when a platform doesn't allow polite and open debates they're part of the problem they actually that's the point of what they're shifting to but you know here's what i would recommend we're not going to you know debate this right now but go listen to what you know go listen to an interview we did with biology he lays out what he's doing you may disagree you may disagree with this approach totally fine that's why we have all these alternate clients i highly recommend checking them out i said this earlier check them out and if that works better for you i think that's great you should do that i think that is a perfectly acceptable way to approach this it's part of the whole concept of sufficiently decentralized is that two people could still keep talking even if the rest of the network didn't want them to there you go it's still out there you still have the ability because i know because i'm using alternate clients also and able to see everybody so we've said before we'll say again we didn't necessarily agree with the retro pan i
don't know how many times we're gonna say it we spend a little time clarifying some of our thoughts it doesn't matter because people still take things out
of context they will
oh yeah and by the way you're confronted your soul is being crushed for a bag of peanuts don't know what the bag of peanuts is good to know on the grand scale of things adrienne looks conflicted i believe she has a good heart i guess that means i don't and i don't look conflicted okay love it yeah so can i comment
please on
please do i would love
folks and olive branch think you're jack i don't know which jack you are if we're if we're connected listen i it's jack i'm sorry
jack maybe
i was thinking it might be upside down jack i i don't know listen people are criticizing us and i just want people to know they get upset if i don't immediately react or change my behavior to criticism you can't really make people change like you can't force people to act or behave a certain way like that's just life i it would be great it would be great if you could all just like force okay
wouldn't it you could only i would love that but you know everyone do my will
but everybody has a sphere of influence so listen i am actually taking the time to read what people are saying i do not immediately change my view it's just information i take in so thanks i don't know thank you happy for you to share it i wanna react what you just said about because i also agree about there's a lot of criticism to the network state side of farcaster of what biology is doing about being dictator led no room for dissent where you know banning free speech yada yada yada okay on the flip side though like you just brought up the point there's tons of activity happening on other on the protocol yeah people are communicating it's active right like there's more client diversity than there ever has been before like this for people who cared about success on social and good ones
yeah right like solidly being yeah amazing mhmm
this is actually like a really good thing going back to you know like the original vision for farcaster was can two people talk to each other if other people don't want them to like you know i like you just said if if biology who now has centralized control right like if he didn't want you to he could okay whatever so i wanted to push back because not because i say this but i think this is like a lot of the criticism that people are saying is like well technically they're talking outside of the protocol but he still has control so he could ban you know you don't have the the promise there's no because
and also the validators the there were only two other validators those two they decided they did not wanna continue for whatever reason i am assuming it's cost they are working to get other volunteers but right now it's centralized true
it is centralized so yeah listen so someone could come back and i just bring this up because you you made that great case for like look there is freed freedom of speech and people can talk okay well technically may whatever but but i thought what biology said when he was on our show which really stuck with me was like when dan and varun founded farcaster the world was in a different place totally the need right like 2021 for freedom of speech and you know was was more now i'm not saying that value doesn't exist anymore like yeah like i actually i have a strong belief that the world would be better if there was a full on like if if the original vision of farcaster really did come to be right like so a fully decentralized social network where you could really own your identity and move it to any like that would be great but we saw dan and froan lit like that team slog away week after week after week not everyone was there for like the ups and the downs they tried a million
things every friday
true to they pivoted a 100 times yeah if it was easy to do like we'd it's it's not easy i mean then he had a lot of debates with people about the right way and he was going kind of product lag and progressive decentralization and the you know like so
i don't have a way to summarize what i'm saying my point is there's credit like there this you can't wrap up the narrative neatly in a little box it is not like a little simple
it's a lot of nuance
and when people say to me like oh i look conflicted like i i to clarify like i i don't love the way this was handled like you know and it's it it sucks like it sucks the way but i will clarify i thought farcon was already dead and dying yeah
we've been miserable for a year
think i think let me just put a i just wanna like double click on that last point that i just said because i don't think fully everybody understands that part like adrienne and i off camera conversations about whether to even keep going the things are dead and dying this goes back to probably last november december
with merkel trading him and going okay now it's neynar well we really love the neynar team okay we'll hang in there and let's see what happens next and then guess what like for us personally when it was announced that it was balaji like that made it interesting to us again beef before the retro like before like when it was announced before we knew the full scope of everything that was gonna happen but just the oh that's interesting do we agree with absolutely everything no like has you know have there been things that he said that i went in the past yeah of course but also i find it very interesting find i the concept of network states very interesting i always have i've said this before but people miss it so it has to be said seven times before you're gonna remember did a whole book club with nouns about the network state with chris co created like adrienne her own separate journey like separate from me had her own interest in biology and his writing and his thinking and network states so we both had this interest before we're also both lifelong learners so this is gonna be interesting to us period even if we don't love absolutely everything about the approach but also don't know why we became the center of attack but okay well listen lot of fun
to be fair biology is not out saying he's not casting like a lot right like he's not personally he came on our show we keep doing what we're doing like we're still out there so it's just us like it's
i i think casting and we keep talking so people keep coming at us it's like wild though it's not it's never i could thing i could have predicted three weeks ago never in a million years like no the the way things have rolled out
that's good clarification so just just like to to summarize excited about network state farcaster like think it's interesting was previously someone asked me like i think they were surprised i was so open to biology and i was kinda like as if it was a see and i was laughing because i went and searched my old tweets like the number of tweets i have where i've quoted him or meant from years ago i'm like oh yeah it's it's a lot i it was but i the i do not like personal attacks on me i'm like it's fine people are welcome to like freedom of speech welcome i listen to them it's affecting me so whatever the the hyper see like this is what i'm saying is these engineers still with their i'm like i still don't know the difference in hypersnap and snapchain i still wanna just call them hubs i never adopted to snapchain much less like i you
know hubs
like yeah if if
there's a different vision you know and and maybe truer to a original vision of farcaster yeah like a farcaster concept like i'm rooting for that to work yeah absolutely necessarily voting with my time or attention or my feet
right now
because yeah like but like there's only so much time in a day and like i'm independently can choose where i wanna spend my time right but if that exists in a certain way like that seems great for the world and i'm rooting for it like so me choosing to stay active on network stateside is not a vote against anybody else
no not at all
at all it's not obvious it is not obvious to anyone but me and you like you and because there's a lot of conversations that we have off screen that people are not privy to that like you know i'm it's very obvious to me but not to everybody that we are not trying to we were trying to be very neutral and and we got pushed into a whole different camp because by people who decided that if we didn't take their side they were gonna be very mean frankly and i haven't enjoyed it and guess what that makes me do lose my empathy towards your cause period like i it just i can't because i'm not going to i'm gonna protect my peace never mind the freaking protocol i'm gonna protect my peace of mind like
like seriously though because it's a mental toll that i don't think everyone is fully appreciating because you may not even be seeing it there's a lot of people who aren't seeing it at all you're not seeing those mean comments you're not seeing what's coming at me which good like you shouldn't
yep and a whole bunch of other passive aggressive crap too that's been really fun from people that i considered friends so that's been fun and it's been over and over and over and over again so guess what like i'm only gonna spend so much of my time dealing with that or not at all and i
think the big thing is if we're the other right so i think that is if you have been moderated out banned deplatformed whatever it is and i think we lost prof again nope she's here okay nope i'm here i do think that does feel like the central issue of the
of course it is
i get that walk in yeah i know chompix it's whole thing
a good example of somebody who's like not they're just going through their life not paying attention so they don't know that we're getting attacked left or right so i know this is probably news to you i get
it and we didn't plan on talking about it but then you get us for here and i guess we'll just get
well there was some stuff in the chat so we wanna address it yeah
no because i could just not don't forget to like and subscribe even the haters don't like and subscribe
one thing we're not doing is using any of this controversy to drive more attention to us like guess
trying not to
we don't want to we don't like okay blue people are mean to us we really don't net
you really like i don't agree with you're funny you're not you know all all publicity is good publicity no it's really not it's not worth the it's not worth the mental load thank you
well let me address one other thing really quick because this is olive branch had noted that their engagement on farcaster went to zero a lot of people's engagement on farcaster has gone low it's not necessarily you and it's not necessarily anything in the background if your people that you were connecting with and following and following you if they have now either by mostly by choice there's a lot of people who chose to say no and leave or burn their token whatever they left the main client they might be on alternate platforms if you have replies that say more show more replies and you don't see anything go check an alternate client because there might be replies there so it's likely not you literally i forget who who what the name is is it zaus zaus who said i'm only seeing nounish prof yes i was like what and that's a problem like that she's like i'm only feels
like i'm in a client with one a dystopian client with one user of nounish prof it's so funny
only me only me and like that is a nightmare i'm sorry for you and i gave them the same suggestions here's a bunch of other clients you could use like try changing your feed to following versus the algo because the algo's this is gonna be a rough couple of months while things settle in if you wanna hang if if you're even interested you may not be but if you're interested in seeing how the network state version of this works out it could be interesting i think it's gonna be interesting i kinda like the approach i'm finding it personally interesting because i like to learn stuff that is me that's not everybody and i totally get that you're like no i just wanna hang out with my friends or i just wanted to build cool stuff whatever totally get that alternative clients might be the best for you there's some
people who really just don't like allergies just do biology biology is very polarizing absolutely so there are some people who are like oh i like to learn too except i don't like a dictator right like and by the way i'm putting this there's perception right
the perception
got it
there's a lot of like emotional reaction yeah to the change because we got attached to what farcaster was
and it's gonna be different which was i
essay i'll write a whole essay on buddhism and detachment because attachment is the key is your path to suffering and if you are attached to things can i also just hot take on olive branch's comment about like potentially losing engagement yeah i again repeating what professor said we have no idea what happened i don't see your post i don't know what your name is on farcaster like exactly what it was if you say it was polite i believe you here's my hot take there's certain like metas that change right so like it could and and there can be a platform that values debate or whatnot but when something comes down and it's like okay we're network state now someone who like wants to push back on something like what am i i'm gonna i'm being very inarticulate right now meaning you may get less engagement because people are scared to engage with the sent comments that is not your fault that is not the platform's fault that is not software it ends up being like just human psychology and i'm not saying this is not me personally but if you look at kind of group dynamics it's like and kind of the when there's leadership it's like this is what's cool and we saw this with dan like certain content did well and others didn't so maybe like going back to like professor your point of like it's a transitionary standpoint don't think the way things are today is the way they're gonna be in two weeks now
it's gonna keep changing every week
but it's
not always like intentional and it's not always someone's out to get you and it's not always like the software and the algorithm doing something it's just like i don't know
don't assume that people are out to get you all the time because they're usually not and but it's i i get it if it feels like that or felt like there was a correlation i'm gonna bet you you know dollars to donuts there's no correlation because they don't have the time to be like trying to make you disappear from the feed like they want more people talking so on the plus side like and oh there was something else about also i do think crypto linked and that's exactly part of what he's building you're dead on he has said that he's looking at this not necessarily linkedin per se but like those kinds of that's a piece of this where it's learn and earn where it's you're you're learning tasks but maybe you're also getting a job or getting contract work or whatever so you're not wrong and again this may not be for everybody it may it's going to be very very different from what farcaster has been period this is gonna be a very opinionated client which is why they're also moving to make a lot more stuff open source so that the larger protocol can continue and to build in its own way so it's not like there's been people saying well you know everyone's gonna disappear and there's not gonna be anybody there talking and like he literally has said he doesn't care about dau he does not care about daily active users he's gonna build this thing the way he wants to build this thing and hopefully attract the people who are attracted to that so it's going to be different so again if you're not seeing what you like if you're not getting the engagement that you highly recommend that you find one of the alternative clients and try it and just see if that is helpful if you also still did say yes and you have an interest in where the network state side of this is going stick around there too but make a choice with your time vote with your feet vote with your feet
yeah oyvie no
decide my last advice is that you don't have to rush to make an opinion or a judgment like you can decide
there's literally a not now on the thing like where you can just have a read only version of the farcaster client if you're not comfortable saying yes
say not now just see how it plays out if you want alright okay i've got a few more things to talk about
i know i don't know all a branch would like to note have nothing against you too okay well there was a couple things in there that felt a little bit against us but i will take you at your word because i literally don't think we've had a conversation before but i'm gonna go try and find you now because now i'm curious about what your post was and i'll go check it out
an olive branch you extend an olive branch so i'm gonna take him in his word that that's what he means
love us we love us some mikado one of the few people that i was actually willing to go to backboard to try and get them back on but it just didn't work but i tried alright anyway moving on we do have a few builder things that we wanna talk about i don't know if you've noticed this clients another there was a fun quocast happening for and it started with our friend dan who just casted he was casting test and then he just started casting opportunity because he was testing something and he launched his own client which is open source and it is a mac web client if i am correct in this i believe i am it is a yes introducing fat line you're gonna explain that in a second an open source native mac client for farcaster fatline dot tech and he goes on to say fatline is an opinionated client it doesn't have replies reactions notifications profiles follow and unfollow interacting with people you don't already follow if you want those features use another client or fork it mac app source code right there on github how many people is he following now like not many it's under a 100 so i think it so again what i think i think what i think dan built was the client that zaaz has which is you're only seeing me sorry dan it's only me and you it's left in his follow ups and balaji
yeah i don't like i don't know what that client looks like
and if this if if fat line is too feature rich for you you can fork it and remove casts
yeah i don't
yeah there's nothing there it's interesting but so
that line was almost the name of farcaster so and you had you had shared lore do you remember the lore yeah
and sds i think stood up against it it was the one shane okay so a few days ago is that literally okay two days ago yeah yes a few days ago i was testing something with warpee and warpee answered me with fat line and i thought he was hallucinating because i've never heard the term fat line before even though we talked about it on our show but i was like fat line
can't remember everything
literally went to the episode for he sent me to like the exact screenshot of when we talked about fat line and we're talking about this where varun shared that fat line was one of the original names for the client this is back when they were naming it warpcast it came from the hyperion right whatever world which is where the farcaster name came from i think it had to i think it was a communication like something that you could use
something yeah
well kojo disagreed
nyc investment bros would join in droves and i replied and for that reason i'm out but also fat line
is replied to me something about like oh when you're having a bad day like you know fat line will will help you i'm like
protocols should have bad names anyways that is some lore so dan has built his own client and if you would like to fork it you too can have it
a day before perfect perfect she had no idea and yet they were in in
whatever the word is i'm looking for simpatico that's the word okay few more things this from cashlessman i don't remember what the heck this is everything's loading slow luckily i'm still here we can't you know oh that's right wait i didn't want this yet this needs to go over here we don't want the devcon stuff that's later this from burr so burr the lobby has now launched poker right inside the lobby so the way that burr friends started as poker and they've been playing on different platforms this whole time but plants and burr have now added poker natively in there we did the first test run so now the lobby has secured funding through the end of twenty twenty six this includes four more weeks of dfs contest cfl nfl leaderboards conclude poker on sundays and we're gonna be adding thursdays as well i believe trivia four days a week including new art trivia on tuesdays and fridays thanks to yellow that started i think at noon today so about an hour ago and then next one's coming up and word wednesdays thanks to zeroshadow the omniacs theomanomniacs new the omniacs you maniacs new yellow leaderboard where you can win yellow nouns and cash prizes the collective nouns and cash prizes for being a yellow holder so you get a little bonus if you're already holding a yellow token so very cool we build and survive one day at a time thanks to everyone still having fun in the lobby and then this was about the poker so gm forecaster is gonna be sponsoring thursday poker for the next eight weeks and also i personally with my classes token beagle is gonna be are gonna be sponsoring sunday poker for a couple weeks so more on that later but yeah so this from burr we have been building this poker client for months tons of hours have gone into design functionality security today was the very first game played this was sunday and it went exactly how you'd expect there were problems there was confusion there was also fun and critiques and advice and real time fixes literally plants was like pushing fixes out while we were still playing because poker goes on for a couple hours this is how the lobby builds with its community and with feedback thank you everyone who helped with this experience we literally could not done have done this without you so we're like in the chat telling him things that were going wrong he was in the background pushing the fix then you would reload the mini app and then you'd see the fix so it was really it was really fun and it was much more social than the old way so you could click on people's profiles and go to their farcaster profile and follow them and all this and the lobby app works on both quorum any hypersnap or any clients that have mini apps i believe quorum does for sure so it works on quorum it works on the main client so there you go very fun come play a few more things from builders who it's been so quiet that people keep building stuff there you go we say it's quiet but yet i have how many links a lot how many links you got a lot venture to the x new mini app we're soft launching collab an open collaboration tool where 100% of the community fund goes to contributors co create find something you're interested in launch community projects share an idea and build it with others reward and tip recognize valuable contributions and projects anyone with a neynar score of point nine o plus can create and join collabs give it a try and let us know what you think and this is from nate nate and god what is her name and i forgot her name and she's from nouns i forgot her name begins with a t
blanking
said it's like it's three a's yeah it's a lot of a's let's see in here i'm trying to remember the other person involved and i can't remember her name but anyways really good builders so pretty cool go check it out yeah nay yeah it's the three a's and i can't remember begins with a t i can't remember but she did some stuff cool stuff from nouns including oh it's not over here i can't grab it this really cool keychain thing like she did some hardware where it lights up in its noggles and it's very cool this from our friends over at splits i from zherring i had opis do a launch video because that's what's in fashion these days the headline is there isn't there just isn't a better agent ux for crypto builders than splits but let me know what you're using and why you like it and we'll learn from them and keep making it better and this was to their announcement and their blog post about adding an agent to your multisig wallet so very cool so you can now add your agent give them a budget all those kinda cool things so there you go and look a little banker bankr in there with clanker and i don't know what that second one is is that muse or is that that's not open openai and grokbot and bankr so very cool so add your agent to your multistig neat
then we also have some sad news apex is shutting down vail cash so this was over on x unfortunately we're winding down vail cash from today deposits are disabled we'll keep the front end and relayer running until 12/21/2026 after that withdrawals will still be possible through the cli i haven't taken this decision lightly after two years of building something i'm passionate about i've had to accept the version of privacy i want to build isn't scaling we've had periods of strong usage but it was never sustained with veil privacy depends on usage as that declines the privacy becomes weaker over the last few months the protocol hasn't been delivering the core value i set out to provide although we did didn't solve for what i set out to do i'm extremely proud i tried to tackle what is still to this day the hardest problem in crypto privacy so there you go so apex we love you oh and g m farcaster isn't following you for some reason but now they are this from base this is 100,000 usdc i assume in total prizes introducing stocks maxing a one month competition to build the next generation of tokenized stocks products built on base so very cool stocks maxing season teams compete across three tracks meme and community economies agenic stock finance programmable stock markets 6,000 goes to the best project built in public how projects will be judged traction product built in public who can apply teams building new products teams with an existing token linked to a tokenized stock utility existing on were proposed and the partners making it possible there you go key dates to or the november 5 applications opened you have until the thirteenth to brainstorm with partners and then submissions close december 5 so get her done but very cool cool to see i haven't talked about that token too much that i launched with my class but it is one that it is paired with an index of stock and ai coins so ai stocks and ai coins the reason i wasn't talking about it much is because did you see what happened to the stock market but anyway i was creating a empire and i got stuck because i had created the token on bankr terminal i couldn't figure out how to wall get the wallet to connect things so had to have the folks at empire builder thank you your berserker in the background do a little manual stuff in divvyfly so anyway that's coming soon but it is kinda cool to see these new approaches so with the token that i created you earn the token itself which is called beagle and then the other one which is ai 12 which is a whole bunch a basket it's an index of different tokenized stocks so very cool
bankr eagle oh beagle beagle yeah that was why
eagle is the mascot of the university and that's what i've used before i have the images that were created by illustrator who's an amazing artist so i've just been using or you know i adjusted it and added a little banker t shirt to it and stuff so that was why i was like i'll just keep the eagle and adjust it a little bit few more fun things this was fun from our friend samantha the crazy candle lady but bertwurst quote casting if farcaster is dead why was i not able to purchase one of these candles before they sold out i need answers i need candles i got a candle adrienne did you
she got two candles
and now i feel bad because i didn't realize bert neither i mean i might have to mail one to bert i was gonna just like dm samantha i'm like i'll just take them all and i'm like i really don't have room for six eight candles in my house but i just took two
and then they all sold out i bought one in one of her other ones that's coming out and i said just send them together so so this was in response to samantha saying anyone want these cedar candles i made the wrong scent smells like fresh firewood about to be thrown into a fire a little smoky pine shavings 35 each includes shipping you can pay via crypto it will come in a box with lid but no label regular price is 55 so essentially like you're not gonna get the fanciest version of it but who cares i just want
i just i love samantha's candles and i needed new ones because mine are starting to run down yeah so perfect timing and she's
oh yeah so now your house smells like food yeah
yes like like i'll do some like when i have like a busy afternoon and then kids sports and you wanna come home to like hot dinner so i've been playing with my instant pot it's fantastic and it makes my entire house smell like garlic and onions and i samantha help it
sometimes you do not want your house to smell like garlic and onions so she also had posted about a new scent she has coming out so that's what i'm waiting for too that was like chai cardamom it was like a whole bunch of things and i was like i don't know what that's gonna smell like but i'm in so anyway point being she sold these out in like an hour
like not even probably thirty minutes or something even on a feed that's mostly dead
not dead yet feel fine really
a few more things as i'm getting punchy getting a little punchy don't even know what this one is but it's from me i realized prof oh i know
you're just making me realize that i don't when i do my transcripts for warpee yep i'm just i now have speaker names which is great warpee the the process removes so i think filler words or some i don't think i'm getting sentiment
no you're not getting the fact that i'm quoting monty python is that what you're saying
holy girl preferences i think i need to add like when we're laughing which is 90% of our show which is why we do this because it's freaking fun like laughing sarcasm like maybe i i need to add sentiment
i don't know how you're gonna do that but that'll be interesting i'd love to see you try
any of i don't know if it'll i don't know if it'll be able to pick up and that's what i'm curious let's experiment with that
so nikolai the fabulous builder from mini app created far faralytics and one of the things he has in there is most used words so you can create a little word cloud of your most used words and i blame warpee that my most used word is curate so there you go gm's in there love is in there somewhere i thought i said love love is in there isn't that nice i have very nice things apple there you go and it's not a fruit it's not the fruit we know how i feel about the fruit purple's in there there you go so i thought it was kinda fun that was kinda fun to see most of what the words that you're seeing is either me tagging warpee or me posting a episode that's what that's right now or announcing an episode is coming
what was your middle word
oh that's why i didn't know what was your center word
oh it's interesting it changed right now it's person yeah oh yeah depending on let's see but when i looked at it for the yeah it was farcaster and i was like that's so cringey oh like guilty of talking about farcaster on farcaster but i talk a lot about gm
look at mine look look
the gm's over here and the forecaster's there and the gmfc's right there yeah but it's kinda fun go check out your word cloud and share it on timeline wanna see what it is
other fun things just because i'm gonna explain why i'm sharing this one of my friend wiz wiz you're getting a shout out i just want everyone to be free he posted this oh yours i don't know why spin spin i know so wiz then then tried to tag warpee that's why i'm sharing this okay warpee great fun and and hey wiz curation is how the gm forecaster team collects cast to consider covering on our shows it's limited to our crew because it's part of our editorial process not an open submission but there's plenty i can help with and it went on to tell him what he could help with ask me questions about gm forecast or anything we discussed on the show wanna get mentioned on the show keep building cool stuff and get our attention or try a shout out and it told him how to do a shout out and added the link and then wiz said bad bot and i and and he said wiz fair i got very brochure y there you asked for fun not a term sheet and then i i i responded good bot you have no curation power
and nor will we ever give wiz curation power love you wiz but no that's not happening right now it's me adrienne yes to crypto because he bought five years worth of hyper sub we had to give him some other bonuses because that was insane
yeah he's the peanuts
to crypto
this from julie because she's just doing something cool and different she is using farcaster spaces to do a little like essentially like a little cooking show so this was her series that she's doing and she did a shredded wheat bread fourth in a series of old fashioned recipes i found in my mom's recipe tin if you've ever if you've ever had brown bread in the north american sense this is that my mother was bang on with using a cup of molasses as a flavor is incredible it's sweet but still has texture of homemade bread it's tasty on its own with a bit of butter could be used in sandwiches and paired well with sweet like or ham chip chicken salad etcetera etcetera she gives the recipe she shares the recipe but she also was doing this on spaces so there you go she's doing a bake along series on farcaster so follow joely if you're interested and you can jump in spaces with her while she's baking just cool
so cool
so cool speaking of cool and speaking of get ready for the cuteness cause you're not even gonna be able to handle it and if you're only listening to this you have to now pull up this part of the show and visuals because it was happy birthday to all who celebrate bertwurst was two the other day last week and there are baby burp pictures that i can't even look at that
and then look at that in the little outfit oh my god i can't and then that face i mean just
i can't the cutest baby the cute look cute he was as a puppy oh my god i can't even i can't even with you bert it's too much adorable okay just a couple more things devcon was all over the feed so many things from devcon we had luciano did a base he the reason he launched his home token was to help with expenses for the base house that he did at devcon so amazing and they had a whole bunch of builders living there staying there go look at luciano's feed either on twitter or on farcaster and you'll see all the pictures from it looked really cool really fun he ended up getting kazani there which very cool i think we talked about that last show so i loved it love seeing it looked like they had a blast my other favorite follow devcon follow was justin on who was just freaking hilarious and he was sharing all kinds of stuff from devcon but especially his travels and this was i can't decide yet if mumbai traffic is pvp or pve mhmm and i was like are you on the back of a scooter he said yes and no i don't have a helmet so that seems dangerous
you don't need a helmet in mumbai traffic because you only go about as fast yeah there's so much traffic you're not going fast okay
but this is how he was getting around
i think he was moving pretty good i mean you're on this like i think he's on he's on like a vest like a scooter he's not in a like tuck tuck or anything
so my experience in mumbai traffic was like the best example in self organizing chaos k like i remember the first time i went there just like you've never seen more cars going down a street like just jammed like it looked like a flood like but anyway all the cars were going the wrong way on a one way street because that was the way traffic went in the morning and then in the evening it shifted like so like meaning you have the law like was like here's the way the street should go and everyone's like well that doesn't work for us like
it's that doesn't make sense in the morning okay
i thought it was i mean that kinda just sounds like boston but okay also boston traffic if you've ever experienced it
we had there were so many interesting things happening at devcon and we'll talk about a few of them but also the design looked incredible of at least eth global like a lot of it that i saw but eth global's like the design of the space they had for hacking looked amazing these images are a little small but you can see them on twitter we'll have the link in the show notes but i was impressed so well done and that's a old friend of mine so congratulations that was well done she's part of the team that does eth global hackathons so that was amazing to see because i was really impressed with that we also saw this in a photo apparently adrienne we were at in the art hub at devcon we still don't know why what so i'm not sure if this was just they had gm farcaster playing on the video screen i'd like to think that's what it was i suspect that it wasn't
my understanding was we're suspicious is because it was part of an art installation may or may not have been protest like a protest so it's unclear whether we are being protested i have no idea or being used we don't know
we don't know
we don't know but i did take this opportunity to remind people that gm farcaster is under the copyright we decided on was cc by which means you can use it you can use it you can remix it you can use it in whatever way you want you just have to credit and link back to g m farcaster that's it and a lot of people weren't familiar with cc by so i actually zoll had asked me oh it's not in here i think he did it in a separate cast oh cast and i had explained it yeah so in case you're curious it's part of the creative comments it's one of their copyrights so yeah so not sure what was going on there but i suspect
it might
not have been friendly i don't know
can see no it doesn't appear to be no no not really no you are definitely giving adrienne face for those unfamiliar yes and i'm going like this or something so i don't know doesn't doesn't look great it's really hard to get a still shot of us looking good but yeah yes to crypto did did notice adrienne face right right away but anyway so that was that we had this from vitalik by the way if you if you haven't noticed that's my background is vitalik is on stage yeah he's on he's on stage wearing whatever it is he was wearing on his face so this was the opening of devcon and let me see if i can i'll just gonna show it real quick if i can find it i'm not gonna play but i was trying to find where he talks about
oh this may not be it this
i'm not sure where it was maybe it wasn't this talk this might have been a different talk
a it was this one
yeah he does i know
it's very hard to search i can't find it but anyway there was a moment where there was a protest by some people from farcaster protocol just community members who were protesting essentially biology taking over farcaster as i understand it and they did have a small disruption during battalks talk and had some signs and stuff at the event so there you go you can find those online or on the on twitter or on alternative clients if you'd like to learn more was also at the opening of eth global which was at the end i don't fully understand the whole devcon eth global it's all ethereum foundation ish but i think eth global is a separate organization but they tend to work together so they had devcon which was ethereum foundation and then eth global which was the hackathon i hope i'm getting that right after all these years you'd think i'd know so the beginning of eth global there was a fireside chat with balaji and he talked a little bit more about taking over farcaster but also network states also ai and and sort of the threats of from that so you can see that over on youtube there were there's a whole eth global playlist on the eth like eth global mumbai playlist on the eth global youtube channel so lots of good stuff over there lots of good stuff and the devcon youtube channel has all those talks including from our friend chaskin who also did a great talk so lots of great talks came out of devcon and eth global so go check those out we also had this so there's been some confusion about numbers and asked a question about what exactly were the numbers for the votes and all of this so the farcaster intern had posted how many fids voted yes at this point it was 32,000 almost 33,000 how many voted no right now we don't make a distinction between a no vote and a user who hasn't voted originally done that way because we thought it was more privacy preserving for no voters i'll see what the devs can find for me once they wake up and i don't know if they ever gave a number how many were kicked out without a vote in other words were moderated out and however you wanna say that 271 of those who were kicked how many appealed and got approved 74 how many appeals denied 20 and i think there's been a few others since then so these numbers may have changed this was about five days ago but there you go in case you're curious this was based on grin just asking the question wanting to know how many on the actual numbers so there you go
two more quick things and i don't remember what the heck they were lord if i know this has been a very long show sorry guys oh i know what it was and we already kinda talked about this this was us so adrienne said on 05/03/2024 nounish prof and i were on stage at farcon venice with farcaster founders dan and varun by the way i think that's the only time still that they ever did a podcast together like an interview together
it that time that was the
he didn't do many
think the only time that they did one together but i could be wrong there might be one other or something so anyway they did this together it was live it was awesome hundreds of people in the audience
what a what a moment we were so innocent we were so innocent then send me back so when i had a chance to ask them a question that was personal to me what is the date where the farcaster thesis will be tested where a farcaster celebrity gets de platformed and has to go build their own client and successfully does that i always thought that the thesis as a test whether farcaster was building something valuable otherwise it really was just a twitter clone for small network of friendly people that's when they were all friendly ironically and not to say we've reached the goal or everything is perfect it feels like we've never been closer to seeing this thesis actually tested the share of all client usage has never been higher it's sad to see a community fracture but i'm glad people have a choice and can vote with their feet by the way you said that before the whole t bone
yeah i know didn't know t bone i know figuratively speaking i guess we're voting with our fingertips and eyeballs since we're clicking and giving attention if you wanna jump to this part of the discussion click to view the transcript search for the word thesis on the page and then click the time scan and the podcast will start playing from that moment so there you go by the way we thought it was gonna be brian and it was not
probably brian guan who knew who knew so anyway there you go the thesis is being tested
it really i mean like i i think this is like worth pointing out and we already did kinda point it out but like as unhappy as everyone is like if this had happened earlier in farcaster's like development it might have killed farcaster like you may not have had you know like you wouldn't have had people even trying to build all clients or you wouldn't have had like it would just being like we're gonna
it was much harder two years ago by the way yeah like two three years ago was even harder even a year ago like the tools have just the the technology has gotten better so you can do it easier mhmm so i don't know there was one more thing and i put it out of order but this was from cashlessman cross posting so it's easy to when using kite app it auto tags their twitter username and auto adds links except photos videos without connecting your twitter account so that i think is pretty cool that you can so this is cashlessman's client kite app that he created and apparently it will tag them both if
they have posting it's whatever you post on twitter you can post to farcaster but if you don't
i think it's the other way it's the other way so if you're posting on the kite app client and you tag someone if they have their twitter connected to their farcaster
on i think that's what it is if i'm understanding it correctly and cashlessman if i'm wrong let me know okay but i believe that is what that's about okay alright so one last thing that i just wanna answer in here will farcaster monetize for content creators like that's literally what's happening right now but not in the way that you'd probably like if you wanna participate in the farcaster prizes there's things happening right now follow the farcaster account on the main app or any of the all clients you'll see it too i believe but i think you need maybe do it in the main client i'm not sure but follow the instructions and if you're interested there's some opportunity to win some bounties for various tasks but they're very specific
but i think the key here is like farcaster and where it's going is not necessarily like if you're bringing in all of your past knowledge of what you think social media is in terms of like content creators getting paid the way content creators get paid on x or youtube
or instagram
very it's very different so there's opportunities to earn money for content on farcaster there are today it is different so
it's not the same not the same thing also i just noticed bert is in the chat and i just wanna make sure that they saw this because i'm not sure when they came in but just making sure because we did say happy birthday
you're just adorable and we love you and that's all we just love you bert because look at that look at that face look at that baby bert he's so cute
this one that one by far but like this is so cute i can't even sand it but this one by far my favorite but also look at the sass i can't even
and then just too cool for school but yeah all the berts all the berts are great and we love you bert we love you we love you bert alright it's been very very long show today we did have julia if you missed it if you came in late julia from zeroshadow was with us about thirty minutes into the show so go back to that and check that out we'll have the recordings out later today and we'll have chapters so you'll be able to find things a little more easier you can also tag warpee but not until we get that part out so don't try it now and it will bring you to the part in the show if you want to go to a particular part like you know where adrienne goes on a rant or you know something like that not really a rant but you know what i mean or when prof goes on a rant which that happens a lot so i mean
i i agree and now everyone knows it's not just me like you know that i bringing you along they're like but she's got a good heart i'm like hello
who the hell is that oh you've got a good heart but i don't your soul is being tortured
they know it's your buddhism side coming out and they know that i don't have that clearly clearly
it's true but you have the biggest heart i mean that's the thing it's like you can't you cannot listen let's talk about parasocial relationships and i don't just mean for like big like you're when you when there's someone you know through social like through the internet
well it is very one faceted and it's one dimensional and you don't get to know the whole person
no you don't you know very little you know what we choose to show you and we do show a lot of our lives but not everything not even close but you don't have our history you don't have a lot of the pieces of the puzzle and there are gonna be things you miss yeah so
we can
we don't know yours
and it is what it is
no one knows anybody
you're all a bunch of potatoes toast i don't know that reference that's a noun's reference and i know i don't know if any symbi is working i think he's not in here he would have appreciated that what that's what four one five six said at one point that like we're all you know that nobody knows potatoes that you'll all just be a bunch of pfps and we all could just be a bunch of potatoes yeah no problem on the internet our dogs you know our dogs that's it
right alright also symbiotech brought the word of the day today so check out if it's a good one
it's a good word of the day i really enjoyed that one i saw him when he posted it and then he tagged you and i was like that is a good word i hadn't heard that word before and i really liked it so go check out the word of the day we're not gonna tell you what it is you're gonna have to go find it go check it out and go to either wordaday...word-a-day.com or you can find the mini app on farcaster or the channel on farcaster or tag it on twitter as well alright we are gonna be off for the rest of the week and we will be back did we say we're doing tuesday i can't remember anymore we are doing tuesday at 08:30 next week am we're gonna be early next week we've just got a bunch of stuff going on that we're working around schedules so next tuesday 08:30am we will be back so that is it for us this week so pace yourselves you know if you're catching the recording i should have said this at the beginning like do it in pieces spread it out throughout the week so you don't miss us too much or put it on two x if you hate us there we go because we have haters now who knew only three years in alright everybody have a lovely day and we will see you next week and with that bye bye
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