GM Farcaster live from DevConnect!
Aired Date
November 20, 2025
Series
Special Event
Episode
Devconnect 2025
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https://youtu.be/Putoq1KjmEcgm and welcome to a bonus episode of gm farcaster recorded live at dev connect twenty twenty five in buenos aires argentina with adrian interviewing limone will and debbie in the devconnect podcast studio chatting all things farcaster at devconnect
okay so gm m barcaster we are here at dev connect in buenos aires with debbie soon will and limone hi hi guys hey hey how's it going
good to see you
how's everyone's jet lag
it's like two hours so
it's on it should be like four hours for me but i've been around here for three weeks at this point so between palacio argentina and argentina
so oh that's right that's right
i'm good
i'm good
in there coffee's helping
yeah well i think you have the worst like the because you're traveling where did you travel from west to east
yeah san francisco
oh okay okay
five hours is not so bad but i was in like a middle seat red eye and then last night i was like i'm gonna go to bed early and then i didn't
yeah so i
was up to like one or two and you know how it is
and debbie is just a rock star the toughest person i've ever met oh
well i've been here since friday morning so i think i've had a little bit of time to adjust and it's like two hours so you know we're good
are you in new york
i am in new york yeah yeah
yeah alright what's everyone been up to lamone i know you've done talks already i think this weekend you did a mini apps talk or yesterday
yesterday based batch is startup truck demo day today we just had the demo at the base boot and now it's all like easier let's say
just congrats the hard stuff behind you
how did the talks go
good it was i mean a lot of pressure last week to push through you know like preparing the pitch was like one single slide two minutes and so hard
you know
like to condense everything it's been an interesting experience and it went super well actually like satisfied with the pitch i did i think the crowd appreciated like they were you know somehow
there was a lot of cheering
they were cheering me
i noticed that
that's awesome are you and is this a new game yeah that you're fetching
it's the new farville so we are creating a new game called rise of farms based on everything that we learned
mhmm
with with farville and it's gonna come out in production in mid december let's say
awesome and then did you do the like how to go viral talk this week
no or that was that was something separate that's a job
that's recorded
i called the article i don't know like many people text me about that article that they found it useful and i'm thinking about like renovating it from time to time because i feel like i i wrote it in april and a bunch of things changed and so i want to maybe write a new version soon
yeah
right i
feel like probably the meta with going viral is always changing a little bit so it could be a good living document
yeah yeah of course
how about you all what have you been up to
i was watch base batches yesterday lumen it was very impressive he was great they all were frank i was i was very pleasantly surprised at how good the companies were surprised at just i guess how many had revenue i wasn't really prepared for that but like
did they have many had revenue
yeah yeah the revenue
i
just i don't know for whatever reason i thought they'd be earlier and i mean you had some earlier ones too but mostly but
you think that's because they're mostly are they mostly mini apps no they were they were not they were
just like a start up truck and so you were supposed to have some traction already to apply for that truck
yeah and there was you know a wide range of traction and a pretty good like geographical diversity more than i was expecting also but i again i don't know why i wasn't expecting it to some extent in in retrospect but yeah the base team did a great job putting it on and then otherwise i don't i don't really have anything thing i'm doing this week i'm just kinda here to be in person with users friends peers whatever and right it's do
you do you have customers here
definitely
obviously definitely yeah
yeah we got two yeah we got majority up here myself included
and then what's going on in splits world these days
we are and do we
say splits versus teams i mean if
you figure it out let me know
because i
know i mean i feel
like abraham was pushing teams for a little bit on me but i can't do it because of microsoft teams
i know i know teams is
or it's too generic
so we think it's temper no i mean it's all fair and it's all criticism that we have leveled internally and it's king title we'll call it it's good enough for now but it's clearly not the right way to brand this and we think long that all just is splits yeah but at least right now it's very confusing to just lump it back in today because we have like the app which is actually the explorer of the splitter contracts and the other different money lego payments and then this other thing
mhmm
and so i don't we think it splits long term but we'll figure that out when we
get the other story yeah
we'll come back to it cameras off for that okay yeah
and are you still kinda going with banking on ethereum as like the vision for
yeah split side teams it's you know we're trying to provide this like modern consumer grade banking experience for teams collaborating and i'm obviously biased but i think you know i think we've done a pretty good job relative to the saas quote and i guess what we've learned the past few weeks or months is that kind of confirmation on chain is is making a comeback and when you look at the tools we've built right it's just very good for managing things on chain as a team and when you think about like well what things exist on chain it's like revenue expenses contracts and treasuries and there's not that many teams making revenue on chain there's a decent number doing expenses like global contractor payments are great on chain security audits happen the payments on chain contracts there's some out there but again it's not done but the the treasury section is actually where we're seeing a lot of momentum recently and a lot of the that was for me is getting repurposed for builders and then experimentation and so we're i think gonna lean into that over the next couple of months and see how the market develops okay yeah but yeah
debbie what have you been doing since then
yeah oh my gosh yeah well yeah it's been busy so we've been taking privy out into the wild and kind of showing stable coin payments in production so we've had a stable coin sandwich for truck that has been
i saw that
going around buenos aires
so how do i find it like is
there yeah so for those for those of you who don't know like a stable coin sandwich is basically a term that's used to describe like routing fiat through stable coins for cross border payments making them faster cheaper and more secure
is fiat the bread
yes fiat's the bread it's stablecoins the meat exactly
and you
buy a stablecoins sandwich
should be
yeah so so yeah so i think for months i have been dreaming about a stablecoins sandwich truck and finally got to bring it to life in in argentina which has been really cool to see so yeah we've been to i think four different locations already so started off on saturday and that was at the hacker house and then sunday we were at a uso football tournament yesterday we co hosted a paddle tournament with zerion and zero x macha and had their foot truck there as well and then tonight we'll be at the boys club party serving ice cream sandwiches instead of hot sandwiches so oh nice so yeah it's been a pretty busy few days there's been something going on pretty much almost every single day but but yeah
alright you're nonstop what else what else are you doing for the rest of the week
gosh bunch of panels we have for whatever reason another party tomorrow that we're co hosting and then thursday taking it slow into like a little co working cafe that we have near the venue which you know would be ideal i hope it has better internet than this venue which is ironic for a crypto conference so i
saw it like i was like oh there's co working spaces here and i was like really happy like looking forward to camping out and i guess the internet here has been a little tricky
no the best wi fi that i've had so far was actually at the paddle place that we were yesterday i was like wow the the internet at paddle is really
good what's up with zerion and and paddle or is it padel they did it at farcon is that their their jam
i guess i mean it was a beautiful event though like i feel like i take zero credit for all of it i mean privy was a part of it too but i felt like i was responsible for making sure that people got fed but everything else was just it was also a beautiful day as it is today too so yeah it was great great great vibes all around
awesome yeah how's privy been i guess did you join after stripe
yeah i joined just before stripe yeah before a few weeks before
how's this chapter of privy going you guys
are doing it it's been really exciting it's been very fast moving we've been growing fast seeing a lot of momentum i think across both kind of the crypto side of things and also on the more like fintech side of things which is why i think stablecoins is so interesting to us but you know we also obviously support a lot of builders on like firecaster and like people building on base people building across all sorts of ecosystem like we're at money rails by polygon today so you know i think we're just here really supporting whoever wants to make interacting on chain and interacting with crypto as easy as possible whether you're a developer or whether you're like an end user
right i tried hanging out with you this week and you were like
not surprising i haven't heard her schedule
i know i'm so sorry i was like i feel like you're gonna i know you're gonna say but is there any chance you're gonna ask me she's like no because i scheduled some sightseeing for myself for tomorrow and yeah
i was like i think i could maybe squeeze it in like friday yeah like big saturday
what else do
you guys have what sites are you seeing by now what's what's your room
i signed up for a bike tour oh
fun that sounds fun yeah
like in the afternoon so it's just like show up and get on bike cruisers and like see the major sites
i went to la boca it's a nice neighborhood very colorful that's the famous boca junior stadium oh but then you get to walk like along the river actually it's it's the ocean but it looks like a river there and it's a beautiful walk at night so if you guys go there it's like twenty minutes uber only
mhmm
there was a big game football game on sunday yeah so i i i had a friend who was there and it was like a big celebration soccer
yeah you mean soccer right
i know
i thought so
but please yeah
i just very
conscious news i say football yeah but yeah how do i soccer yeah but yeah
really you said it perfectly i mean i hit a speed bump listening to you but
that's always one of my lightning questions i ask people on gm forecaster is football or soccer but it's really a trick question because people think i'm asking american football but i'm just asking how they say soccer yeah
yeah
but the nfl's been going to europe like they're like exporting yeah really
i didn't know i'm only four
and the nba and
the nba does it too like they're starting to like export interesting
i went to an nfl game in london so yeah
like they're yeah
i i like it was it london last month
regular season game or like it
was the broncos versus the jets and then i was surprised i expected it to be mostly filled with american expats in london watching the game yeah but it was full of british people and i had so many questions going through my brain i was like how do you know like
does that sound fun fun jingos they do
in the crowd i guess
i mean they really love sweet caroline like for whatever reason
and then i mean it's a good song
it is a good song too but they knew a lot about football they knew all the rules and then i was also very confused as to why they were fans of the jets so i was like why do you support the jets like of all teams
did you get an answer to that
no not really no the guy next to me was the kansas city chief then but yeah i had a great time it was an amazing stadium loved it like yeah nfl in london who would have thought
i i don't know i haven't been to an nfl game in twenty five years i think i've only been to one in my life and i don't watch though i don't yeah not my
i don't have i ever been to one i must have been to one i don't know
have you guys been to buenos aires before
no first time
first time
oh yeah so
but i don't feel like there's much you know maybe because i i come from rome and it's full of i don't know monuments and you know point of interest and so every time i go into a new city i'm always looking for things that i need to see well most of the times it's just you know like just like nice neighborhoods or areas which i enjoy a lot yeah and so i should maybe like lower my expectation a little bit on i don't know i i should come with
a different
secret to happen yeah
alright good segue you bring up rome
farcon oh
when is
it let's talk farcon rome
i mean it's four and five may 5 it's the best season to be in rome it's either that or october and of course like may is a big tradition for farcon so i didn't want we didn't want to break that
i'm still like lagging behind you know like getting tickets out and announcing a bunch of things but it's coming before the end of the year and pro i promise
i need to book
my flight am i behind already
i don't think you've ever booked flights yet
yeah i need to get out the tickets i will share also some you know like recommendation on on where to find you know lodging hotels maybe we will get some discounts for for everyone
oh great
overall i think the event we don't want to change it like builder day sunday day same structure one thing that we are going to change is that there will not be any in person hackathon because i i've been knocking at both the pass mark on and it's it's not that the experience of the hackathon per se was bad but in twenty four hours when you travel from i don't know all over the world to meet with an awesome community you just want to hang out and chat if you need to be at your laptop and code something for just twenty four hours which is not enough to build anything meaningful it doesn't make sense and so we're thinking about having an online hackathon before so that maybe the top projects get to showcase
well if i could demo day
exactly and and that's yeah that makes sense
oh that's nice yeah
yeah
that's nice
that's the only thing we are planning differently let's say
that's the beauty of running your own event
yeah
you can just do what you want you get
to put your own twist on yeah encourage even yeah
definitely do you guys think you're going i think so i mean
i feel like we've been at privy has been at every single far con so i i'll imagine no i mean well not the first one not the first one okay every like i guess since the yeah i i call that one
the back
on zero
yeah just
by the way fun fact devconnect two the very first one was called like devcon zero so this is i think i forgot what number this is seven
yeah have you guys been to previous devcons or devconnex
i have not
i have not so
yeah this is a first
this is my first firsties
yeah i've been to both devcon and devconnect
okay so
in the past three years
and nice am i right that devcon was more is a like dev focused type event dev connect
is more
a community
no devcon has always been more a conference and with like a centralized organization so the ethereum foundation was like setting up all the panels and talks with many stages while dev connect has always been more around the community self organizing in a shared space provided by the ethereum foundation that's what i i understood yeah
in the years
how does this compare
this is a new way they are doing it because usually devconnect has always been like a huge co working space and few like stages and areas not many booths honestly and this year the new thing you need is like are the booths like the world fair and i think it's cool that they are showcasing like applications and you know projects building on ethereum so
do you hope they keep doing the booths in future years
yeah i hope also they have a better internets yeah
i mean my gosh
yeah plush
i did have a good chuckle when vitalik was giving his speech on like trustlessness up there and i was like trying to use the wifi and i couldn't and i was like yeah
yeah but yes the first defcon because i i don't know i i researched this because i was putting out a report but the first defcon was called defcon zero and it was before ethereum was even launched so so it was like a bunch of like 20 people or however many people so anyway that reminds
me of the first part ethereum
yes it does actually interesting it was a bunch of people that they hadn't officially launched ethereum yet but it reminds me that that's what the first spot kinda reminds me of
right
anyway so yeah
i feel like there
will be there for a final
i'd love to ask all of you of course
how was the vatalic talk
i liked it
i have takes that i've that are probably not refined enough to share fear
well we're not recording
oh well in that
case yeah
no
okay you can you can you can take a day and
i think the the kind of the bad version
i do think like maximal trustlessness is really important at the foundation of the pyramid
and i also got some vibes of like i don't know china has this big like self reliance you drive of like you can't depend on anyone else you know and it's only up to you and i i feel like i got a little bit of that from this talk which i know is not the direction he like means it to go but it's kind of like they talked about trust being and i i don't wanna drone on about this too long so i'll try to contain myself but trust being like the ability for someone else to hurt you
ability for someone to hurt you to
hurt you like if you trust someone that means that they have the ability to hurt you mhmm and the pitch then from there is like and you shouldn't let anyone ever hurt you
and
i was kinda like
you know steve jobs before he died has an email to himself about how interconnected we are as a species and i don't make my own food and i don't make my own clothes and i don't do all these things and that's like beautiful that i'm reliant on all these other people and that's kind of the you know the flip side of this is like yes they can hurt you and they can help you
help you help you
you know and it's like if you have to do everything yourself and he went through this like eight point slide of all the different areas where like you can get hurt in the full stack of technology you know and it's just like i don't know i think it's really important that ethereum itself is maximally trustless but it's just like i think there are there is a lot of value of having trusted systems built on top of it i guess i'll say and i don't know if it's how i would agree with that necessarily and
well that sounds a lot like the bitcoin maxi right which is like full like which is like 90 like the if you go fully fully sovereign
yeah
then you need to be your own police department and own fire department and own banker and security and like i don't know it may not be for everyone
there's like a famous comedian line that we talk a lot about internally splits like everyone driving faster than me is a maniac and everyone driving slower than me is an idiot yeah and you know it's like anyone who wants more stuff reliance than me is you know crazy and anyone who wants less is a sell out and it's like you guys gotta accept that we're all on the spectrum and different people are willing to make different trade offs and vitalik is like both his strength and his weakness i think he's just super passionate about this stuff and like maximally on one side of spectrum and ethereum probably wouldn't be where it is without that but you know right
is that necessarily bad for like ethereum
as like a like
i think so
as like
yeah the layer one blockchain
i would think
i think it what
it's what makes it special yeah right and unique and i think bitcoin has its own version of that that a lot of ethereum people don't appreciate or like and i you know i'm starting to appreciate more some of the people further on the spectrum and yeah i don't know i don't know exactly where i am but
you got in your feelings
yeah i you know
the talk
there's so much stuff that vitalik says and i agree with it and i think like he's incredible and i still think he's incredible obviously in this talk i was just like i don't know if i agree
with this
and i have to like process that and think about it
i think they could have done like talking about the ethereum foundation that has been supposedly like pushing ethereum to to the world like a better job at
supporting founders and projects coming out from the space this is the first time i've i'm seeing them actively doing it but because recently there was a big change in the ethereum foundation and all their approach and organization
but there's been like i don't know ten years of ethereum already and we didn't see much of that and i think it's really needed
mhmm
yeah did you read the trustless manifesto that was published a couple of
days ago
oh yes i totally did
yeah it was like you know it was like a presentation on that okay and i guess i'm
and there was nothing in the manifesto that i had took objection to did you i when i read it i was like oh i
i felt like
i think the user experience is really important and i think that there are sort of like core self sovereign primitives that need to be upheld and then i think there's a lot of like things you can do to improve their life outside of that and i feel like he would just be like the stack from a to z needs to be maximally self sovereign and i would just be like i'm more of a minimum viable something yeah same here
sufficiently yes sufficiently we should get him here like where
i mean he would shred me he don't want him here i don't want him here
i would i would halfway moderately
come on out well
it's interesting especially from like a privy perspective and a splits perspective because i think you're both like attacking from slightly like different problems but making ethereum or like broadly crypto usable
yeah
and i'm kinda big fans of both of you guys so so so i can thank you so i'm wondering if you're because you're trying to build a
consumer product definitely
if it's feeling personal definitely yeah
yeah and that's
why
i like take a couple days i'll marry you out i'll just think about it
but it's funny because dan talks about like where he's he's talking about storing funds in coinbase
yeah
like where and and saying like look this is a public company that has a lot of resources and they're going to put their resources on security more than i can as an individual or a small company i mean it's why i put my money in a bank you know like yeah so i just yeah and i've been thinking about that a lot and i have my own personal reasons why i don't like to do that but from a splits perspective like it and we we we've talked about this before but like i feel confident because we've talked a lot i'm not putting i like we've we've talked a lot about what that like how do you gain how do i why do i trust splitz
yeah
and i feel confident doing it and i know you've kind like just the way you've built with the pass keys and the different signers the transparency how you've approached building so it feels secure to me
yeah
and also usable
yeah
but i also like i'm looking at you in the eye and we've talked and we're like i am also trusting you as a human yeah kind of like as the ceo of this company
a 100% a 100% and i don't i don't know that you can get away from that at some level and i don't know if you want to like we are social animals and working together is like a core aspect of what we do and trusting each other is part of that i think and i think it's great that you should be able to decide who you trust you know and and i think the auditability and transparency and stuff that comes with on chain actions is like wonderful and yeah just at at some point if you want the world to adopt this incredible tool you have to make it useful
yeah i mean i think from a previous standpoint it's like it's always been like usability like front and center and like i think we also have to be pragmatic like i think a lot of i mean the reason why people put their money in banks is because they feel safe about it like you know we like i mean there have been times that i've forgotten my password more than once right so like obviously for crypto you're like it you put on like an extra layer of like vigilance and you're making sure that okay i don't misplace my seed phrase and and all of that but i think for the average person like they're not one they don't want to have to go through all of that and i think like we're also working you know i think we've seen more customers now being like you know we don't actually feel very comfortable with a non custodial solution mostly because like their users are not comfortable with a non custodial solution so even though by default that's what we provide i think we've found ourselves being you know put in a direction where like that's not actually what our customers and our users want so kind of agree with you that i think at the end of the day it's like there's no point kind of like obviously we're all here because we love crypto and we believe in like the potential of crypto and and what it has done and what it is going to do but there's also adding no point kind of over indexing on its potential if at the end of the day people are not really going to wanna use it because they don't find it helpful yeah
shabot
i have one more question i had that i wanted to make sure i asked are you having an amazing birthday debbie
oh my god
yeah that's cool happy birthday
i was like wow
what question is this gonna be
oh my gosh
it must be hard hitting gosh it's like checking notes
make sure yeah no it's been an amazing birthday obviously like like to spend my birthday buenos aires i can't complain and i love all of my internet friends so like i mean yeah obviously i love my non internet friends too
so i'm
like that's the thing
i don't scream alright yeah
no worries they're gonna be listening to it don't worry yeah
exactly they wouldn't even like watch this
so yeah
but yeah i mean i love my internet friends like so it's it's great honestly to kind of have an excuse to throw a big potty and be surrounded by people that kind of understand this weird quirky side of of me and and us and you know have all these shared similarities and shared vision and values so yeah i could not be happier
well i wish you a wonderful birthday week
thank you
have fun at the boys club party tonight
i will
i love the boys they are party too late for me
i need to party
too late
for me too my muscles are working so you know
anything else like you guys
wanna know or have to meet up on thursday farfetch'd meet
up on thursday yeah actually you organized it yes
yes because you're the best i forgot about it
you got your sponsors
samsung yes that's
who who
sponsors who
do we thank
settle is a cool mini app that is has onboarded a bunch of merchants here to settle payments using their mini app of course at their shop betterment as does a lot running funding rounds the first one they said that they run on the mini app and it's been very cool i mean great friends of daniel and and mirko who else am i missing influence holly from influence has been helping us a lot also with distributing the announcements with this mini app and product that is is born to like boost any cost and announcement for founders and builders and then of course like builders garden and ur bay which is like my side of things so yeah pretty super excited i i love
i saw you had like 500 people rsvp
yes how many crazy
face fit
should i say
we're gonna get there early what an hour
one hundred and fifty
a hundred and fifty
wow he doesn't get there early
thirty seven so we'll get there early is there a vip line
yes
okay
you are all on my vip list
yeah we
made it okay
are you guys gonna be there yes oh is that great great okay anything else
food and drinks food and drinks provided
so hold on a sec yeah that's probably 80% of why i'm here this week just for
most of the people here are for the yeah
the forecaster meetups are always good
yeah
great anything else you guys looking forward to this week
just being around people in the space you know not a ton of my friends or family are crypto people and i think that's common for a lot of crypto people because it's so distributed and so it's nice to be around crypto people every once in a while and like the shared experiences that people in my regular life day to day life can't relate to it's just nice
yeah i mean i i agree i think yeah i'm like already have had like gosh i've i've been here already what like three days this is my fourth day fourth fifth day here i'm already losing track of time but buenos aires is also beautiful like the weather's been amazing so i think it's a nice break from like coming from
that was easy to when i was checking out the hotel like it's winter at home
like you
know he was complaining about it being too hot
oh my god so i am i'm enjoying it and i'm gonna soak up all the sunshine that i could get yeah
birthday sunshine
exactly and and asado what about asado it's great
asado is amazing asado yeah the food so far has
been amazing i flew in this
morning i've done nothing oh okay
so you need to try yes alright and i will be at the farcaster booth i have three volunteer sessions this week so come say hi alright well thanks guys for hanging out at dev connect and can we say hi to nanish pras
yeah pras
hi i miss you and say bye bye in her honor bye bye
bye thanks for having us