Transcript: Surprise guest Balaji Srinivasan on Civility, Crypto, and the Network State: GM Farcaster ep398

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most of the farcaster team neynar team is actually very special and really really great people you saw a good chunk of them who came in over here and i think we're all aligned on the path forward maybe we can talk about that

and you saw a bunch of ns community members coming so we're gonna have dozens hundreds of ns community members logging on and we actually have a bunch of them already we have dozens already yeah so you're gonna see a lot more ns community members and we're gonna bring our you know kind of spirit on online so you're gonna see that soon

basically we have an in person level of civility here i think it's fair to say right

i wanna say intern has seen i think we have people from dozens of countries here who from many different races religions i think that who all get along because they're civil to each other and and i mean it's like like i don't know it seems so obvious but yep you know yeah and of course they share values they're pro tech so this is what it is printed out into the world

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sure so in one sentence and then i'll make a few more our vision is crypto civilization not cryptoanarchy okay so you probably heard the buzzword cryptoanarchy thrown around and my view is like against the totalitarian state anarchy is better than and cryptoanarchy is better still because there's at least some order online even if the physical world is disordered but what we really want is crypto civilization right and what that means is you know if you have an institution imagine it's like a building okay and it's a building that you liked and then it catches on fire it's good that you have an exit it's good that you have decentralization so everybody can run away from the building and they spread out and they're out you know they're they're not they have an exit at least they're not they don't die in the fire but they don't wanna just stand outside decentralized huddling in the rain as isolated individuals forever they wanna rebuild a new building which is and in the network state book four and a half years ago if you look at the definition of network state in one sentence at the very beginning i have an in person level of civility as like a core thing this is even before elon bought x okay mhmm yep and i also have something in there towards the end which says the most important and least popular word in the world is going to be of recentralization which is really civilization because many people can't comprehend the idea that the old thing was broken and we do wanna exit it but we need to rebuild something else otherwise we're either fighting over some ruined burning building or we're just like scattered wild animals right i'm sympathetic in many ways to the sovereign individual as an exit but i believe in the sovereign collective

like like i i you know i'm a pro family pro children pro safe streets i mean the closest projection of that ideology into the current world it's singapore it's dubai it's el salvador and especially it's kazakhstan essentially ordered countries and you know what actually i i have to say mark carney in canada seems to be doing interesting things he is ideologically in some ways you know he comes at a very different way than does but he is actually rebuilding some of the infrastructure of his country he's tilting much more towards china and much more towards the internet and those are the two axes that i see in the future but fundamentally i think there's there's different paths to the same outcome china has clean streets singapore has clean streets india has radically improved over what it was thirty years ago and in you know poland is radically improved el salvador is radically improved that's what i'm in favor of and those are it's a different set of cultural and technical trade offs in each of these countries for example dubai is you know islamic and and you know india is majority hindu and you know china is buddhist and you know el salvador is christian there's different religious backgrounds other kinds of backgrounds different faith traditions you can call upon and i never say i'd have all the answers but i do believe that while there's different paths to civilization civilization's about trade offs and rather than say centralization decent it's like you know it's like saying democrat or republican guess what actually neither of them are actually very good okay and and and yet what people will often do is they'll say oh you must be a secret third thing you must be something they say it sarcastically as as if to reduce it to that but they're saying are you sunni or shiite oh you're neither oh you're a secret third thing well obviously people are you know humans are more complex than that another way of putting it is most things are not only one bit of information like imagine trying to describe an image with only zero or one you actually need a million pixels or more to define an image right you need like like a kilobyte or or sometimes a megabyte if it's an hd image or something right you you and and that's like like 8,000,000 you know point is way more than one bit it's you know mhmm thousands if not millions of bytes and so

that's that's part of it the other part of it is my view and this is where i may come at it with a lens that may be different you know is i don't think you know when the soviet union was ending right in the late eighties the answer wasn't an intermediate between you know the hardliners and gorbachev the answer is actually outside the soviet union the soviet union was no longer able to deal with the complexities of the modern world mhmm it just didn't it just would not continue like the ussr stopped existing the soviet identity stopped existing the soviet union broke up into pieces and then you had many different directions out of that you had polish catholics you had estonian technologists you had like russian mathematicians like sergei brin's father and vitalik's well vitalik's father is not a mathematician he's an entrepreneur right so there are many different directions that you could go out of this some people went to nationalism some people went to religion some people tried to rebuild the soviet union some people became models some people you know all kinds of different things that that people did and that's because it wasn't left or right it was communist and noncommunist in many ways to be noncommunist which included being catholic being estonian you know being like like like having a muslim revival in some places and so on and so forth right and so in the same way with the shattering of like twentieth century american identity right which i think we're in the middle of the twitter of babel like twitter doesn't exist you know tower of babel yep yeah yep right the tower of babel like that you know biblical story where everybody spoke the same language and then babel shattered now that's all right so twitter of babel twitter no longer exists you have x you have truth you you have with which trump runs you have you have blue sky you have threads and each of these now by the way each of these sons of twitter has taken on the personas of their founder ceos right because

that's right yeah

that's that's exactly right and by the way i love dan i love rish i you know they're really great guys i there are certain areas where we're gonna do like let's say my view is and i and i wrote this up in the post and so on and so forth dan rt did it and so on if you saw but basically how did farcon so so first the macro is we wanna get to crypto civilization okay what does that actually mean let me motivate that with several individual observations the first is i think the crypto economy as it is has topped out in a certain way why because if your goal is only trustless swaps and trustless transactions then that limits the economic complexity that you can actually have okay so that's why a lot of crypto stuff is actually done offline and then it's just like the final payment is online right that's why like you know for example some of the memes on farcaster which were trading or building i think actually both are actually incorrect i think what you actually want is earning okay so like the original earn so we're gonna bring a lot more of earn into farcon shows we'll get to earn and learn okay where you're self improving every day zero unregretted user minutes you're constantly becoming the best version of yourself okay you have for example spaced repetition where you're learning new concepts and as you learn more concepts you can take on higher paid tasks you're constantly doing what i call human capital gain because you know i i i started out as an academic actually and i i believe in education i believe in in free teaching but coming back the the the basic issue the crypto economy topped out because these transactions like when you're doing a swap a swap a trustless swap it's with a stranger okay it's like voof alright go away you know and they were talking to them again right when you do a trade on exchange you don't even know who your counterparty is you you do a market sell and it's like seven random counterparties at coinbase or whatever is handling the the thing for you don't do market sells by way do limit orders but you know what i mean right yeah so so point being that the real economy is more than just swap and then never see you again right any company any project like even good morning farcast or something like that that's a trust relationship between you know nounish and adrienne that you've had over years right and because you have trust not everything can be put in a contract right look i love contracts i love so my view is crypto was able to tell us what is legally permissible like deterministic zero one now with ai moderation we can say what is morally desirable okay like a probabilistic kind of thing like shades of gray so now you can actually have civility now why do i say morally desirable immediately they'll get people's hackles up they'll say oh my god balaji how are you to say what morality is oh my god you said you're a preacher dictator blah blah blah okay so first of all on

oh well that's like thing is you have to have a budget for like you know singapore did not become singapore because lee kuan you wanted to be liked by everybody at all times right no nothing like elon like nothing you do if you try to optimize for constantly being liked what'll happen is you actually get hated by everybody at the end because the thing goes to zero right i'll come back to that point in a second tldr by the way without me taking over farcon it was gonna go to zero it it was basically think of it as what's called do you know what a recap round is

wanna explain to the viewers yeah

that's right basically look there were there were several experiments that were run over farcaster's history in what the thing should be and to be clear full respect to dan and rish because it's really difficult being an entrepreneur and so and so but they themselves would agree that those experiments didn't work out and on net they didn't create like numbers money is not the only thing but right there is no farcaster community there's a user base right why is

like actually i said there's a community that's buried under stuff and it needs to be like like that stuff has to be scraped away and so on go ahead

very different yeah one of so that's another key point and i'll come back to some of the difference yeah i don't believe the world needs another social network another crypto trading app or even another uncensorable anything why those exist in abundance okay like whatever level of if you want 4chan or blue sky those exist okay you can have the far right or far left community of your dreams okay it's there already exists you can scream obscenities on the internet in many many places okay unfortunately you can have you know there's the the all the stuff that exists in abundance social networks exist in abundance crypto trading exists in abundance okay and with things like bitchat and there's quite a you know there's quite a few projects nowadays that have leaned all the way into censorship resistant you know so on and so forth right and you know what like against like a against the soviet union against what china many people fear is and what many people fear china could become right you will need something like that okay because against a very sophisticated you know techno tyrant you do want freedom but the the thing is that you can't just be oppositional defiant all the time just that like the soviet union being bad doesn't mean that singapore is also bad okay a state being bad it's like saying right this man was bad therefore all men are bad this woman was bad therefore all women are bad you you have to be able to make distinctions right so the tool that you use to resist tyranny is different than the tools that we use to rebuild from anarchy okay and so like keeping in mind that both things can be bad and you actually want civilization which is neither anarchy nor tyranny nor anarcho tyranny so san francisco for example is anarcho tyranny why you have an uber driver and his window is smashed by a mentally ill drug addict that's the anarchy and then he's fined whatever $100 because his car is parked you know a few you know like on the street right so he is simultaneously subject to predation from crazy people that the state doesn't enforce on but the state does enforce in the law abiding right and so that's that's that's that's the worst of all right that's the opposite of civilization that's desolization right and you see that in la you see that in san francisco you see that unfortunately in way too many places in the west right you see in the large parts of london and often that's a pincer attack against the middle who is neither sympathetic enough to be more sympathetic than the homeless mentally ill drug addict right nor powerful enough to actually resist the state that's the kind of person who's like pincer attack and i don't think you know the only escape out of that is to make so much money that you can escape from that okay

now you know one thing i've i've i've i know i'm digressing but i'll i'll i'll that's okay permit me okay yeah i was

enjoy well well thank you i appreciate it i tried to include at least i tried to include my thought process i welcome reason critique

but basically i was a career academic i never wanted to be a ceo never wanted to be a found that was never my ambition in life never my ambition growing up all i wanted to know were more true things okay and the only reason i actually even gone to tech is that when with genome sequencing so i'd start my career in in biomedicine if you did like a a you know if every genome you sequence cost $1,000 it cost less than that it cost more than that back then but then to sequence a million genomes a thousand genomes would cost you a million dollars but if you made a $100 per genome now you could actually get 10,000 a 100,000 genomes so you could get more data if you made a profit so more data means better insight into the nature of disease more truth so you actually needed capitalism to get to scale to get more data to get more truth same kind of thing that they're seeing in ai same kind of thing in other spaces that's actually what led me to like at age 30 i had $0 in my bank account okay

i've never been a money motivated person i woke up every day for years and just said like ohm and just meditated on mathematics that's like what i did and to be clear like i'm not terence tau or you know i'm i'm okay at math i'm good enough to like you know teach at stanford or whatever but but you know it's always something better than it's pretty good but pretty it's like it's like being like i don't know 70 at the olympics or something like that you know you're it's so i'm nowhere close to the metal section there's guys who are way way way back right

sense fine but my my my my point is that what i what i really prized was the environment of stanford in the late nineties and the early two thousands it was sunny i also liked in many ways the middle class ish upbringing that i had and you weren't actually you didn't have to spend i mean okay yes stanford is expensive but the middle class is upbringing wasn't that expensive right like that was accessible to a of people

i i think civility is free and like just to be civil to somebody else to be courteous to be polite to be respectful to open a door for an old lady or to you know give up your seat for a pregnant woman on the subway or you know to smile at a little child or something like that costs absolutely nothing and makes everybody's day better and we need that not just offline but we need that online and the only way i can explain that to certain crypto degens is this very baroque kind of thing which i wrote up which is because they're like why should i be polite to anybody should we want you know to just be able to say f you to everybody right and we what we want on the new farcaster is thank you culture not blank you culture okay like alright back to gm okay in a sense right

gm thing is now you know the way somebody will critique this they'll say oh what balaji you're saying be polite or else and kind of yes i'm saying be polite or else find another client okay be polite or else yes if you know the the problem is small town america as much as i love small town america lot of great things with small town america it's small town america doesn't scale it doesn't scale yeah go ahead you saw my note on that

yeah doesn't scale and because it doesn't scale it doesn't have the markets or the internationalism of the big city right and this has always been the tension where people understand like it's just like putting your finger on that like literally in the name right there is small town america small town america's norms only work at this maybe dunbar or 10x dunbar size like a 150 fifty hundred i don't know the exact number but there's a certain point where it works in an implicit way and then it breaks down when you get to a certain scale why does it break down by way can give a mathematical argument if you have two people and let's say you're playing a game where each person can win or lose okay so you could have four outcomes win win win lose lose win lose lose okay two squared right because you could have a win win game where they both win you could have a win lose game where one guy knocks the other out or vice versa lose win or you could have lose lose where they both punch each other and they're both bloody at the end of it which actually what most fights end up as actually they're most lose lose right russia ukraine lose lose everybody loses millions of people die right lots of people get into fights thinking it's gonna be win lose and they end up with lose lose okay

almost all wars are like this everybody you know like everybody thinks that their guy's gonna roll over right this is why i'm very anti war except as a last last last resort this is one of the biggest things i differ with some of my friends on is i understand how they got this way but there's a glorification of violence and so on yep which i think is you know what we really want is more peace in the world not more violence i understand how they got their way but i think we need more peace so i'll come back to that okay so once you have three people in that same game now you have two to third possibilities win win win win win lose win lose win right lose win win and so on so you have you know basically eight possibilities once you have four people you can have win win win win lose lose lose lose and 14 other combinations 16 to the fourth right and once you have n people you have two to the n possible combinations this is what's called a hypercube in in in n dimensional space why is that important let's say you have a startup with with 50 or a 100 people they're let's say you have a 100 you have two to the 100 possible outcomes but what you need to do is you need to have the coordinate where everybody wins together be the biggest payoff for everybody otherwise 51 people could see hey if we conspire against the other 49 maybe we could take the treasury and take it for ourselves and then we play a win win win win win game but the other guys get lose lose lose this is what happens with dows where you have like yes

right so some subgroup says hey why don't we loot the treasury okay and conspire and rig the vote or whatever and and loot the treasury and so the way that and then that often ends in lose lose lose where everybody you know the whole thing breaks down right right

so the way that this is okay great you you know you've seen that phenomenon

this is what vcs when they talk about alignment right they mean alignment in like the vector sense of i win and you win and they win all at the same time okay right so your win is my win is her win is his win all at the same time okay that means the upper right corner of the hypercube is where everybody wins together that's why equity exists that's why a coin exists right number go up means everybody's fortunes rise together number go down means everybody's fortunes fall together this way they they aren't thinking as much about off diagonal conspiracies where 70% can attack the 30% or or what have you okay now that works so long as you're in growth stage and you've got a number there okay that's why companies work that's why cryptocurrencies in the growth stage can work now farcaster without a coin and also without singaporean morays broke down once there wasn't enough like basically if you think about it it started out here's my analysis of it right and you may disagree right it started out as yep dan's friends and friends of friends which was an awesome community basically like basically my friends there and you could have a high level discussion where everybody knew each other or knew each other offline or their friends offline so we're super polite and they understood that certain things just don't have to be discussed in public okay meaning this is a thing like lot of unfortunate 20 they've gotten all the wrong lessons from the 60 okay the 60 and 70 leaders republicans and democrats are cursing at each other on x this was unheard of even twenty years ago by the way google you know the fcc broadcast standards

here's here's okay i'm gonna give you guys a link can you

well so i mean you're like a law professor aren't you

you are okay mhmm can you put something on screen i wanna show something

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so let's let's bring up those links yep i wanna do is i wanna re i wanna re anchor people on what they a lot of people have had their minds wiped by so yes there we go right actually show the first one actually show show the show the second link i sent you the fc.gov one

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you're very young women

yeah that's right so i wanna i wanna put a finger on this obscene indecent and profane broadcast okay

so meaning you could not in the lives of most americans like on over the age of 25 something right like right basically obscene indecent and profane content could not be broadcast on tv on radio like that's why the news times even had the thing all the news that's fit to print

right there was a you know i know when i see like yeah this was

what potter stewart was saying translated sixty three years later is i need ai to make probabilistic judgments of what is actually profane and obscene and indecent i know it when i see it because i've been trained on whatever number of examples distinguish good from bad now what potter was saying at the time was only a human can make such judgments but the fact that it's hard to like because people will give him edge cases like oh right is is michelangelo you know is that pornography or something like that right and they'll always get come with some edge cases and saying hard cases make bad law right right the now it is true that you need to classify those edge cases but there's a civilization and cultural context where that's not actually obscene right it's sculpture fine but it's also not so you're saying you're gonna press a kid's face into it or something like that you know what mean you're gonna there's there's a context to all of this kind of stuff the point is people bring up these edge cases but that the bulk can actually be dealt with and guess what it can be dealt with very easily today with ai classifiers very easily cheaply that's a new thing so we're gonna have fcc broadcast standards on farcaster wow okay and you and you know what that was a better america that was a better america that was an america where people were not at each other's throats they were not cursing and screaming at each other in fact by the even the concept of being able to get online and not by the way these people they're not simply typing into a text box they're they're doing the equivalent of screaming in your digital face so it's not just freedom of speech like they can yell into the void it's freedom of attack the other they want the other person to be there on the same platform as them so they can yell at that person this person's rights are not being considered in the situation where this person should be free from attack it's not simply to be able to block them because they can summon all these other people to attack that person right a platform where you have freedom from attack is actually very valuable because now you can be about your business without having to constantly defend yourself at all times right now look you know if you're in tech you feel like oh you don't have to look i i can argue online i can do it but do i wanna do that all day i don't really wanna do that i wanna wanna build right okay

that's right

that's right that's right and now if you look at the other link i sent thelaw.cornell one

that's right now here's guess what am i throwing anybody in jail for two years no but what retroact guess what this is actually america us code alright guess what getting off easy getting off easy okay so point being right and of course i'm kidding right right but there's a truth here which is literally broadcasting obscene language within the lives of those people now living was something that could lead to more than two years imprisonment okay but yep or really it meant that you know

usually usually was a fine but yeah usually fine but the point is that it could it it was it was something that had teeth and it was punished right right now there's a if you could put that back on screen it

this is basically something where the you're right the fines sometimes happen but here's the thing is the words here are very important because broadcast just means going out to a large group of people right it has however the critical word in this page is radio communication

okay so what happened as you know but maybe the audience doesn't the internet got an exception

in the late nineties on of the the from the communication was trying to basically quite censor the internet and it got an exception because the premise was hey you know it's not gonna be like ray like with radio or television some kid could walk around and hear this you have to go and seek things out on the internet it's a computer nerds kind of thing and so and so forth and so what happened of course is internet grew exponentially to such an extent that obviously there's far more viewership of youtube and x and obviously a kid happens across i mean it's more likely they're gonna happen across something on a phone or a screen than they are in a tv these days right so the new broadcast is it's a livestream it's x that's obviously the public square so what happened was this thing that was supposed to be a computer nerd exception became the public square and that exception where profane obscene etcetera indecent language was allowed in the computer nerd sector became the rule right that is how our public culture got radically coarsened in the english language sphere but that's and the reason i point this out is many people be like oh it's so un american to have any restrictions on speech whatsoever i'm like oh yeah and where was america

well exactly but the thing is that they'll say when was america great i'm like in different ways they'll say oh it was it was better in you know 1945 or it's better in this and like guess what broadcasting obscene language was allowed to be clear this is it's not monofactorial there's many different factors there's right china disrupting the republicans and taking over manufacturing and military strength then china disrupted the democrats in many ways taking over media and and monetary strength and i'm sure someone will be like oh balaji you cursed once on some broadcast or whatever absolutely true i'm sure i'm i'm sure i've done that though i don't i try not to do very much okay point is that and we also have like an appeals process and so so it's not really about cursing really that's not that's like the smallest thing it's about like hostility against another human being right which is sometimes cursing but it's actually easily detectable with ai right that's a great thing it's not just one post it's a pattern that person's being muted and blocked by lots of other people they're just like a crazy person an angry person who comes online to vent their spleen at others okay and that type person rewarded

i wanna show you something else also which i just sent to adrienne maybe you can bring it up on screen

so i i i just quoted us law right on what was acceptable okay and now let's take a look at the forecaster terms of service and community guidelines that every single user so that's the terms of use okay and scroll down okay click the community guidelines it's it's ahead of the second section that right there

here right use agree you agree with community guidelines so everybody signed on to this this was look at that zero tolerance for abusive users or harassment of others zero tolerance for hate speech no posting legal content every single part of the new network code is basically just an ai enforced version of this human thing which there weren't the resources to enforce this across millions of posts okay and literally we have a table that's coming that just we're just gonna post that just shows everything and how it maps back to that okay the only exception is profanity that's an infraction that's just something where it's become such a sewer online on this that we we want we wanna tamp back on it but the the

we already did that folks oh okay well actually like we'll

it will it will be made visible to you

and then we will we have to decide like on the one hand it's a synthesis of public data and so on and so forth but it'll probably be made visible to you okay it will be made visible to you and the goal of this one thing we've already got a graph showing that profanity has crashed on the network guess what code of conduct is law now right it's not just code is law code of conduct is law that was a missing piece right we to have a crypto economy like you just as a thought experiment okay you're walking down the street imagine like somebody comes up and just starts screaming at you and saying i hate you because of you know your your x or y or z they'll attack you for your race your class i don't know your hair whatever who knows okay this is a common experience for many people in san francisco by the way deranged people running up to on the street okay

now assume they've actually got a crowd of hangers on they're doing the equivalent of like thumbs up you know you can actually make a meme of this right imagine that in the physical world first of all that's a crazy situation in the physical world you can call 911 okay right there's a police that will come and fix it that's like not legal to do in the physical world that's like that's that is harassment that's abuse that's threats there's there's various kinds of crimes around that they've been less enforced recently because there's so much more tolerance for insane behavior in the physical world that's supposed to be a crime you're not supposed to menace someone or threaten them or whatever second is are you gonna do business in that jurisdiction

no obviously like someone coming up to you if

or if if that is something which is permitted then clearly other laws aren't enforced that the if if you don't have even security rights know some complex matter of property rights if the state won't protect you when some crazy person could attack you it's definitely not gonna protect you in some abstract you know like genuinely that's not a hard question of jurisprudence or or justice or whatever like obviously you're the innocent and they're the guilty if the state can't figure that out it definitely won't be able to figure out some more complicated matter i'm not saying that anybody who's threatened in this way will have all those calculations go through their head but fundamentally be like know what this is an unsafe area i'm gonna take my business somewhere else right even if it's not just pure capitalism obviously you're not thinking capitalism all the time the point is that from an economic standpoint as well as a social standpoint that area just becomes a ghost area of broken windows and people just staying far away from it a bad part of town okay so if we know that that happens in the physical world that's also what happens in the digital world

if you're walking down the street doing your digital business and some crazy person who's obsessing about you online who you've never met who has a parasocial relationship comes up and starts screaming obscenities at you yelling about like you know i really don't care if someone wants to kill me for my class oh my god you're a capitalist or my race oh my god you're indian yes i'm an indian and i'm a capitalist i'm you know yeah wow amazing you figured these things out right i don't care if the threats are coming from the far left or the far right i just don't care i just think that often by the way they're they're not even really ideological they're just like insane people or people who were sane and became less sane who've latched on to these ideologies as like a way of explaining why their life has gotten worse they wanna scapegoat somebody else rather than assign it to these impersonal systemic factors of like the decline of the american empire and the rise of the internet and the return of asia and the shift of the world economy all those kinds of things are why their lives have gotten worse versus like one clear human being that they can scapegoat they wanna scapegoat like the best group for them people to scapegoat unfortunately is the immigrant technologist where the right can get mad because they're immigrants and the left can get mad because they're technologists that's why part of the reason i'm 10,000 miles away right because could see that yeah it's safer that's right like basically you know being in a country that has it right on their hand i also like many obviously of my american friends and all the people there i don't think they fully understand how bad it's gonna get and what we wanna do is a develop a zone of in person civility online and the corresponding thing offline right show that that's possible to have that bridge between the two which is what the old forecaster in some ways used to be but now we have the more scalable version okay b then allow anybody else to take that playbook and have their own startup society right and that's by the way how we scale the number of validator nodes

okay because if you've seen have you seen the network state conference can you bring that on screen ns.comconference yep ns.com/conference yep

yes ns.comfront/conference

recent one but just scroll down

and just keep going

so 2025 so if you look at the names on this right these are basically and maybe you can scroll down a little bit further

at okay yeah yeah so we have we have a lot of obviously you know top crypto guys especially we also have a lot of if you go down further you'll see a lot of click see more yep you'll see lots of start up society founders okay yep and the thing about this is

tim or eric city ed civasan that's right all these different people and they really do span the ill ideological spectrum okay basically the only people who aren't there are are what i consider ultra institutes

yeah exactly that's right and by the way we have people there who are basically pro and con almost any issue you can imagine what they have in common is civility and they want to build new societies and they wanna build the answer to their problems rather than scapegoating somewhere else right

they don't wanna scapegoat the capitalists or the immigrants or whatever right and so point is that again i'm not saying this this group if you scroll down further go a little bit further yep so like you know so there's cabin john hillis you know did cabin and so and so forth yep so some of these projects work some of these projects didn't work but the the point you know there's veronica with zoo village in you know so anyway point is this many of these startup societies have physical properties and private cloud is now getting good enough that you can just set up some servers anywhere in a closet okay and one idea and i think this is a likely future is we have 10 maybe eventually a 100 startup societies that are each validator nodes okay and farcaster is a community of communities a okay united networks like united nations to be clear by the way the united nations still has a concept of a rogue state okay something that is outs yes this network is an internet you know tracking sharp studies globally right okay great

and i'll give you a visual also

that's right and and many of these people many of the founders are gonna come on to farcaster and we're gonna make farcaster into a platform for basically finding founding funding start sizing

okay yeah

trying to put words back on it i wanted to put that put that okay so this is a graph that we've made

that's fine so let's go we are so this this one is so this is not final final but this is an intermediate analysis we're probably gonna publish this so this is our graphic okay just analyzing the millions of tweets and you can see you know if you if you say friend speech is positive some behavior and foe speech is negative some behavior this captures quantitatively again with ai we can make we can say things that we all know to be true but we can put numbers on it so people can't gaslight they can't say oh well i said good morning to someone yesterday the farcaster spirit is alive and well no actually when you go up more than 10 x from less than 2% negativity to 20 30% it's it's basically the san franciscoization of farcaster where you had a bunch of tech people and then you had a bunch of crazy people there because tech people can get exploited by a certain kind of person who will quote certain things of them as freedom at back at them and then you you suddenly are victimized or you're attacked on the street by like a drug addict or or you know or something like that right and women are unsafe and so on so that's the same go ahead

sure

yeah you're you're absolutely correct and actually let me offer finer gradations okay because you're complete because basically the thing is often any one sentence is almost necessarily an oversimplification one sentence cannot contain the world entire you know you but but to to to clarify or to add add somewhere second third and fourth order terms so you do have actually generally crazy impulse on constrained people who are yelling profanities and so on right and then you have people who saw that that behavior was rewarded

that by the algorithm right conflict you know the thing if it bleeds it leads right

and so like you don't actually have to have somebody bleed but fight fight fight you know that like basically there's a reason that movies have conflict and that's exciting and dramatic in a movie but you don't actually want your life to quote be a movie because that's like burning buildings and things shooting and so on especially if you have children or if you have family and something you want your life to be stable okay so so one is actually crazy people then people who fell in with a bad crowd or they were algorithmically incentivized and they just follow incentives and then there's an interesting group where so the thing about like one group is doing wrong the second group is doing wrong but knows they're doing wrong on some level okay then there's a third group which denies that wrong can even be done this is a foucauldi and kind of group okay you know michel foucauld okay the michel foucauld okay michel foucauldi is the

alright okay if you go and look at the most cited academics right actually let me let me say something when when you hold up your phone or something like that you have all the libraries here and you can tell if you want to who authored the software that went into your phone and often go back to github and find the exact people that wrote the software that you use every day right so you know that there was someone who wrote that software that you use every day even if you're not thinking about them in the same way the software in your head the wetware in your head was also crafted by somebody okay sure often very intentionally to memetically propagate if you've ever worked on a marketing campaign you know that people optimize memetic punch through and jingles and so on and so forth to be catchy and whatnot the same is true for many ideas that you have consciously or unconsciously absorbed including myself everybody has and one of them is michel foucault okay michel foucault is a french philosopher who pioneered something called deconstructionism and very roughly this is the art of saying oh i know you think being family friendly is good but actually let me explain to you why that's bad and actually a revolt against all authority is actually true good i'm so sophisticated right now foucault himself was literally a pedophile okay not and so his justification for essentially overturning all traditional morality was to open a door such that when others were confused and couldn't distinguish between good and evil well they couldn't distinguish that even what he was doing was see what i'm saying right it's like let all the criminals out of arkham asylum and then you can blend in among them alright so in this we can deconstruct deconstructionism itself you see my point right right bang we got them right ladies and gentlemen we got them and so this is actually it's it's it's similar to how like a virus enters the cell it actually faints looking like something the cell might normally let in and then hijacks the cell to replicate itself and so on and so forth right so a good chunk of people can be can kinda catch themselves up in this kind of deconstructions type of thing and they can convince themselves that good and evil don't exist and that wrong can't even be done while they're sipping their coffee in a cafe but that entire cafe only exists because of a huge supply chain of people who do abide by the law who do ship things on time wake up in the morning pack the you know truck you know like get the coffee beans there's a huge supply chain of people that actually do need to believe that like right and wrong insists they're not like stealing the the coffee beans and and so on and so forth right only that person that academic at the apex who's been corrupted by can can actually think that right and wrong don't exist unfortunately the faculty lounge's corruption of speech and thought indeed has gone metastatic gone super viral with with the with with the internet with with twitter like the reason is i i said i came up in the faculty lounge a lot of these things that you'll hear like toxic masculinity white privilege mansplaining they're all essentially like mobile optimized versions of academic phd theses that were meant to be verbal shivs to win battles in the faculty lounge nounishprof you you know what i'm talking about

you mean fine okay

that's right so like like that person will say oh does do good and evil even exist and right

yeah and then then their cell phone is snatched or something and then they're immediately on the phone to the police who have a simplistic notion of good and evil you know what i mean right now i'm not saying by the way that there aren't edge cases i'm not saying that one doesn't sometimes think okay this was bad now it's actually good i'm not saying that doesn't happen at times like for example let's say copyright law trademark law those are areas where i think reasonable people can come up these

go ahead

fine yeah so like the whole thing about like 99 copyright and so and so forth i i think you know i think that is a that that that is a distortion i think that's a great example of something where we wanna have a thousand different jurisdictions that can experiment with different kinds of things where certain aspects of the law are not black and white like that right so again no sentence can contain the entire world to say that foucauldianism is wrong doesn't mean that everything is clearly black and white either okay so it means that yes shades of gray do exist balance does exist but that doesn't mean that one can category or project that you're that wrong can even be done so coming back to your point adrienne this is my so a there are genuinely crazy people with low impulse control b there's people who are alchemically incentivized for intention and understood that fights gained attention and so on c there's those people who basically they they want to you know like is the thing of it was funny is by the way there's there's always the concession that codes of conduct are good written rules are good that people had become too hostile and the only thing is people are like oh oh my god it was retroactive it wasn't retroactive you know why those those those community guidelines already existed and this is just enforcement right okay of of things that are already there and we can show the exact mapping and two look at the fcc's guidelines like basically culturally all this stuff existed and so and then third is just common sense says do you need to have a law that says hey you shouldn't go and scream at mark anderson or or or anybody frankly on the internet right do do you have to have a law that says that does it need to be taught to you and and moreover if if it does if if oh i would i would i would do it i wouldn't have done it if i had known that there was a law against it but i would do it if it was permissible to do it is that something that we you want in the community i'm not sure we do right i'm not sure that's actually a community member that's not even what you like a community is about connectivity it's about like you know two people being not just polite to each other but interacting with each other that's why i hesitate to use the term farcaster community i think a farcaster community did exist with dan i think it got corrupted i think you can dust it off and reclaim some of it we can never fully rebind the clock we need to rebuild it with new fresh dna okay the new fresh dna is gonna be a lot of network schoolers and a lot of techno optimists let me pause there more i can say okay hold on one second what are we doing here

what are doing here

a second give me pause

can we pause one second yeah

okay great just our sd card ran out memory okay

was weird okay let's continue

yeah this is moderation debt

71 people and of those 271 people almost a 100 have a actually i think more than a 100 appealed we granted the super majority of those appeals and that means like

yeah and that means like a 180 people did not even wanna appeal right and some fraction of them you know basically they had different you know different like reasons for that but yeah by the way some fraction of folks i mean one of the things that's really interesting about it is once you see the numbers you can see actually there's a small number of people it's actually a lot like crime like what you know like what else salvador had but they had like on the order of 1% of the population were these face tattooed ms thirteen gang members right and then there was a larger percentage of the population still a small fraction who while they themselves were not face tattooed ms thirteen gang members were sympathetic to them right they didn't feel that they should be you know jailed or removed or or something like that but then the super mass mass majority of the site was very happy to have clean streets again right and so that's one way of thinking about it is there's a small fraction of people who were basically just in i mean we're talking dozens in some cases more than a 100 bands or not blocks mutes and and so on and so forth okay by other people and

especially relative to their follower count and especially mutes thing is

what does that suggest that's actually a lot like a you know these these drug addicts will attack women in san francisco in la in austin and they'll they'll have 13 14 15 different things where they're picked up at the police station and let back out in the street right that means they've had a negative interaction with so many different people but no centralized authority has done anything every person has to now resolve that this hostile angry person they're gonna have to deal with them again right and this it's about like relative to the size of the following and so and so forth okay so such a person is just aggressing against others they're violating if you want the libertarian principle of nonaggression principle okay and one of the great things about ai is you can tell who's starting the fights okay it's not just hey did someone make an like because the problem is in the middle of a scrum like you one one in defending oneself you you can have an angry comment or something like that but i've done that yeah

that's right but the thing is you actually have to do that you're you're put in this desivilized situation on social media where acts that would be completely you would never i shouldn't say never unfortunately we see this more and more as said in these desivilized blue cities but you usually offline are not in a situation where some random person is coming up to you and yelling obscenities in your face right and telling them how telling you how much they wanna kill you how bad a person you are how evil you are some random stranger you've never met okay that's usually not the case in the physical world it's quite frequent in the digital world in such case one has to defend oneself but it shouldn't have to be like that we don't have to live like this right we should base it that kind of person who thinks it's their god given right to run up to a stranger and scream in their face there's no right to free screens

right like you can type whatever you look and by the way i don't feel again the the 2026 internet 2026 social media is totally different than pre 2022

pre 2022 2021 like i i would argue that the that the problem was tyranny okay now i'm not saying that tyranny doesn't exist i think like you know a a complete unconstrained chinese comms like china is a very complicated thing where like one or two censuses won't do it justice a lot of what they do works for some definition of work within china but if you export it abroad all the trade offs that they've made within china go away you just have the technology for total surveillance without any of the cultural you know nuances of how chinese people you know deal with that so so i'm not saying that digital tyranny doesn't exist and that we i'm not saying we don't need those tech but we also need technology to resist digital anarchy and that's a part which is completely underappreciated right now nobody wants to talk about that on their hand though once in a while you'll see somebody online saying you know what we really want is a high trust society again

you know what we really want is society where you know basically there's like racial tolerance again religious tolerance again and so and so forth that's like the right will say high trust the left will say you know i wish we weren't in a time where when hate speech was so you know common and you know what i'm actually sympathetic to both of those okay but i don't think that that can be forced upon left or right respectively because i think you need to build a new jurisdiction over here and then you have to have a zone of stability and then you have to scale that and show that that works

yeah go

decision absolutely

sure sure sure so the thing is that you know only after you do something do you do you see exactly how people receive it and so on and so forth

and

when you have a law or a rule that's been on the books for a long time but that hasn't been enforced right and then you increase the level of enforcement how do you do that best no matter how you do it someone's gonna complain okay right

now the thing is every app has terms of service

which you're supposed to and it says if you don't agree with these terms of service don't use it right okay but most software creators are not for lack of better term courageous enough determined enough to say you know what i'm gonna lose whatever fraction of users that do not wanna sign on to the new terms of service because i genuinely only want those people and i want it to actually be a signature as opposed to something that just you know like like so many things you just click through and say blah whatever who cares

check box click ignore yep whereas here it's a genuine signature because this is the beginning of the social smart contract right there's gonna be way more by the way any critiques one has we will have other plebiscites in the future okay and essentially it'll be something where so let me also describe this is a draft draft draft draft nonbinding okay i'm just floating how i'm thinking about this now and maybe revisit this what what i'd like to do is eventually open source everything okay we've got the client out there and so on why well first of all that makes it more secure and so on especially in this age of cyber apocalypse two is if it's open sourced you can just go and host your own okay

but if they're using in some direct or indirect way farcaster or neynar like the farcaster reference clients neynar architecture or even at the protocol level by the way like social is different than crypto right like pure crypto is just transactions social has images social has a lot of other stuff social in many ways has a larger attack surface right in many sense of the term and so can it be truly purely decentralized i'm not sure it can be and moreover there's a lot of guys who have actually done things that they think of as purely totally decentralized social so instead you have a validator set okay that validator set may be all the people at these startup societies it may be dozens of validators i'd like to get there i and there's a road map to that by the way that means the servers would not be sitting in e c 2 they wouldn't be sitting in amazon servers they'd literally be sitting in whether it's brazil whether it's the uk whether it's japan india they're actually physical servers that are truly physically decentralized that are running validator notes right that's actually something that's something of a holy grail

yeah that's the goal right so it's it's genuinely decentralized in that sense okay where we have a bunch of different value units but it is pro civilized in other sense where all those people share techno options values it is a community of communities okay all those startup society founders fundamentally you know some of them might be christian and some might be muslim and some might be atheist and some might be hindu and buddhist and what have you right men women what have you all these different kinds of things but they are fundamentally people who it's like the united nations right it took a long time to get to something like that where we take it for granted that people from radically different cultures can put on suits and at least have a discussion there suits skirts whatever you know what right and we wanna get to that with the united networks right so that's let's call it the hosted version of farcaster because there's been a tension where i love dan to be clear not a criticism of dan i think it was a really good thing dan would say sufficiently decentralized and there's like a u curve of decentralization okay right the u curve is either you're totally decentralized or you're totally hosted right okay and so open source is totally decentralized it's out there it's mit or bsd licensed go get them okay if you have some control you basically have control so i believe one should just embrace that and embrace the reality of it which is either it's open source mit licensed and you can use it just don't use the name okay like for example you know don't use a name for because that causes brand confusion like people think we're hosting it or whatever okay so open source over here full stack go and run your own community of communities or if you're within our community of communities okay and think of it as you know again this would actually get you physical decently it gets you a lot of the nice properties you want but it preserves civility because all of those validator nodes will reject you know various you know csam various kinds of illegal content malware right and by the way we're gonna have to get very aggressive about that because of the cyber apocalypse that's coming right those nodes are gonna need to be fairly cooperative because there's gonna be all kinds of crazy attacks and so on to come okay right so so just to just to recap no matter how you increase enforcement after things that were on the books weren't enforced people are gonna complain the way that we did it made very clear that we were doing it and it gave people a concrete choice of you know love it or leave it double down or opt out and almost i think 95% ish like tilde 95% of people stayed because this is the farcon and then like less than 1% were moderated out and chose not to appeal and then some fraction about about one third ish of those who are moderated out and appealed had their you know accounts granted back and then about 4% of people decided okay that they want to leave and you know what that's great you know i'm i'm i'm glad i i hope that they do you know there's tons of other clients tons of other not just on farcaster but other protocols

so forth sure yeah because the thing is that look dan and rish had this weird thing where they were stuck in like dan had this initial thing that he loved doing he loved doing it okay right because he could hang out with his friends and everybody liked it and so and so forth and then what happened was those friends because many of them were economically successful the 2024 thing attracted so it went from friends farmers airdrop farmers flood foes finish and maybe phoenix

oh it was definitely

it going i i'd go even further and say assume it was zero why yeah because first of the entire former team had left okay they've you know they they're amazing people again they've got most of them had gone to tempo and so on first entire former team had left two the second team left they also didn't want again the term community isn't really captured it was just a thankless job of a lot of people

basically thought that the way that they got change was not by contributing capital not by contributing labor but simply by yelling complaints at dan or rish at high volume and by the way those complaints if you do an ai analysis are inconsistent and contradictory you know we want more billing we want more trading we want more this like everybody who has a complaint in their head is thinking about their own preference factor

and they're not seeing everybody else's and moreover they're just they're just you know again by the way i blame social media for this it's not just obviously farcast or whatever as you said adrienne a lot of people are responding to incentives that are being set up they're not necessarily bad people i grant that but somebody has to change those incentives i'm gonna come back to what the path forward is in a second okay but the issue is that dan and then rish i mean you saw how happy rish was i love rish

her somebody else it's you know somebody else could because it was just a dangerous job right

you know there's somebody okay there's a there's a there's a woman who worked on on the team and she said something like oh you know she didn't wanna post as like a like a core team member because she'd get attacked for that i'm like

imagine like like the us government like a like a you know the to to attack like a us postal service worker was like even more obviously you don't attack any citizen but why would you you attack a postal service worker that's like a that's a more serious thing right there should be absolutely nobody if you want to just scream abuse at like the operators of a platform if you wanna scream abuse at women if you want hate speech if you want all that stuff go somewhere else fortune exists blue sky exists right far right exists far left is plenty other places this is not that place you will respect others here right be nice or everywhere else or else find another client and so very very firm on that and what that means is to be clear when you're firm once complete unyielding because what world are we creating right you know look you know if you are in to to be give a very obvious example if you go to china you know the term immersion like language immersion

okay if you go to china and you're immersed in china okay you learn chinese you start to speak chinese now do i think that x on balance is better for the world than what was there pre 2022 i do okay however if you are immersed on x you speak x x x mhmm okay like like that's very much an adult platform in the sense of people are fighting they're screaming yep they're like if your mind is already fully formed and you remember the offline world where normative behavior was the fcc broadcast centers we were talking about nounish you and i you know are i don't know i don't i've never asked a woman you know but but basically let's say we've remembered the offline

fine so we all remember the offline world yes which is offline america in particular which is a pretty good place really eighties nineties early two thousands really up until about 2012 america is a pretty good place right then the the screaming and fighting really started ramping up okay point being that

while if you're immersed in china you speak chinese if you're immersed in today's social media especially those who don't have a memory of what offline norms were right they are learning some very bad things what are they learning first you know the the way that the way to resolve a dispute is to get online frame it in the most incendiary terms possible rouse the largest mob and try to humiliate the other guy into submission okay

and you get clicks and you build a following doing that showing how tough you are right right or or how much of a victim you are yeah go ahead

right and now who benefits from that well the social media platform gets a 100,000 or a million views out of it okay but enormous damage is done to the social fabric with every such fight because all the people are rooting it on and they're seeing that the now by the way by contrast in tech what's the saying praise publicly criticize privately okay if you have a private channel never use a public channel i see like no one's taught these young people these obvious things right you know the the i don't know the nineteen fifties ways of saying it might have been like if you don't have something nice to say don't say at all but the somewhat more sophisticated way is like obviously feedback is useful correct if feedback's useful but if you're somebody's friend and you genuinely wish them well or even if you just wanna see the thing resolved private feedback praise privately praise publicly criticize privately giving private feedback why often you don't have all the context right the other person is working on the problem they have all the context and in private they might be able to have a give and take with you where they show you some things you and and they're like oh i didn't realize that and so on okay that's different than i thought okay i understand you're making decisions i would in the situation that you're in or conversely they can even

that's exactly right

that's right and so posting you know like like going for clout right is like a barbarian way of resolving disputes which is like the post roman collapse to the dark ages we're actually seeing the speed run of that where right because there's no central authority to appeal to people just rouse a large mob they can and just fight back and forth now the thing is again unfortunately because of social media we've all had to do this in self defense over the last x number of years okay but it's not how we want to live there has to be a better way and it's definitely not how we wanna teach the next generation because they don't have that polite offline world anymore they don't have the normative example of how things are supposed to be right another version of this another goofus and gallant do you remember goofus and gallant

that's right so so like so like i'm a goofus fan right goofus will goofus will litter and gallant will go and put in the trash right goofus for a modern example will play his you know music on speaker right and gallant will wear headphones okay and in general all goofus and gallant can be boiled down to goofus does what is convenient to himself without concern for others and gallant takes some small hit to himself so that the commons isn't a tragedy right now mhmm there's a certain pseudosmart way of talking about this where they'll quote ben franklin to me and they'll be like oh balaji what are you saying he but ben franklin said he who gives us some liberty to gain some security deserves neither now here's the thing first of all ben franklin himself knew that wasn't the case because what is the military if you join the military join join the us marine corps like uniformed military code of justice you absolutely give up some liberty to gain some security right you're you're up at dawn you're you know the like there's things that are illegal in in in in a military code that aren't illegal in in in you know in a civilian code you give up plenty of liberty and the whole point is now you can be a fighting force and you actually have greater security ultimately this whole thing of hugh gives up some liberty to gain some security deserves neither is a rejection of the idea of trade offs right it's like hugh deserve gives up some money to get some food deserves neither what are we talking about you like you know you have you have trade offs right right there's trade offs with everything right now you might be pre to you might be below the pre to optimal you might be able to get a better trade off you might have get more cost efficient you know food for your dollar you might be able to give up less liberty to gain more security i grant that you can improve the trade off but a trade off does exist right and these people who think that they can be incredibly selfishly individualistic it's actually not really a left versus right thing it's like a anarchy versus civilization versus tyranny thing right for example like you know i understand how andrew tateism came about but what i'll often tell people on the right is individually alpha is collectively beta i actually posted this on farcaster right yeah individually alpha right if do you remember my post on this like a year ago or something

yeah yeah talked about it

this is actually the masculine argument against or the man let's let's call it the center argument against the far right is know just like for example the far left on communism promised the workers that they'd have abundance and it actually delivered the gulag right so the center left argument against the far left is even on the left's own terms of providing you know safety and welfare and so on and so forth the center left the more capitalist left is actually better than the far left at providing for the people at providing wealth for the people like the far left actually can't do what it promises to do it makes their life worse right similarly the the far right promises to provide power for the people just like the far left promises to provide money for the people so far right promise to provide power for the people but guess what if everybody's just like flexing and the the cult of ultraviolence and so and so forth like okay maybe one andrew tate can beat up like one and this is not meant to be anti tate or not even taking a position on that so let's say

but let's just say one person leave leave him out of it over there like let's say one person i understand how he arose by the way so that's why i'm not i i don't wanna i don't wanna you know get into this completely but let's say one alpha male okay big muscular person could go and beat up one chinese factory worker probably true okay but 10,000 chinese factory workers will be able to cooperate and organize these 10,000 people who take some hit to themselves give up some liberty gain collectors because they can churn out a factory and and drones and all this stuff and they can wipe the floor with 10,000 guys all flexing as individualists right so that's why the center is about scaled cooperation that's why democratic capitalism was in the twentieth century able to outcompete both the far left communism and the far right of fascism because they didn't build the scaled cooperation set that scale cooperation set it ultimately generates more wealth so it it you know more money for the people and more power for the people okay yeah and that's like an enlightened centrism by the way crucially this is not in my case in my view the naive centrism of let's try and bring back the american center within america i think unfortunately that's done over that's gotten split into far left and far right i think the internet the decentralized center is where things are gonna have to go

i know i i let me let me make one remark there which is to say of course i love the america that i grew up in that we all grew up in and so it's i also have but i just think that the mechanism for restoring anything like that is going to be coming up with a civilized community on the internet and then printing it out in the physical world both within con right within america and then outside

yeah i haven't i i do wanna show you something which explains in my view why that broke down okay maybe you can put this article on screen okay

i have about fifteen more minutes we'll be

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yes

okay so let me take those in reverse order so currently the draft idea draft draft draft subject to revision okay k draft is that we will try to if we can just given given scarce engineering resources so that's release everything we can open source k and then have like you know how like there's there's a

there's well but i i was i was was gonna say wordpress.com and wordpress.org but obviously there's a little conflict around that okay but let's say there's another version of software where there's a hosted version and there's an open source version okay in a sense all the critiques of of dan and so on have been hey it's implicitly hosted and he'd say you know and like he's just like this this kind of like job you know figure from the bible who's just enduring so many sticks and hours over the years he'd say okay you know go build your own so what i just wanna do is have something that's mit license or bse license or whatever we have to figure out the license it's the full open source stack knock yourself out with claw opus 5.5 knock yourself out community of communities over there if you wanna be part of our community of communities it'll be a big tent but not an infinite one okay

you basically have to be pro civilization by the way i think that like if you look at the speakers at network state conference it's a very very very in like i hate to use the term diverse crew we're way more diverse than quote democrats or something like that we have people from 80 countries at network school right like in a sense that we have you know we have people who are

put it like this in terms of ethnic religious racial etcetera etcetera diversity

diversity of thought that's right yeah so to be clear though they're all pro civilization pro respectful discourse and so on and so forth okay and that's really important so it's it's in a sense as civilized as the right wants as inclusive as the left claims to want okay or let's say as civilized as the right claims to want but the right has a lot of face tattooed guys nowadays as inclusive as the left claims to want but the left will do a lot of purity testing nowadays so we're taking at least what their claims are inclusion and civilization are both feasible in a singapore or dubai or el salvador or kazakhstan like environment where law is is there and it's actually enforced okay and whenever you're ramping up then there's always gonna be somebody who complains about how it's ramped up blah blah fine okay and then basically then they have to look to substance as opposed to process right the substance is do you want the substance of singapore or not that's really what it is okay and if you don't great there's four chan over there there's a sewer right there be my guest go okay and by the way to be simply censorship resistant is not to say what you wanna say like what do you wanna say right like censorship resistance decentralization that's what you're against but what are you for one has to have a positive vision of the future right like to be sensitive resistant like okay he put out the gulag archipelago he was a critic of the soviet union great okay he did right but he had a vision of what he was for you may disagree with his vision but he wanted like a restoration of like russian traditional culture and so on and so forth okay you have to have vision of what you're for not simply what you're against you do need sometimes both but you need this more than the other one okay now what is what is a farcaster in like in a year tbd obviously it's gonna be iterative and so on but very importantly we are going to do blue ocean things not red ocean okay joan you ever heard that saying

you mean is like yes red ocean is a competitive space where there's other clients and and you're benchmarking and like so for example do i care about daus i do not care about daus okay do i care why do i not care about that what i care about you saw the graph i made with friends

went from 37 users to 30 users or whatever

so that's why let me explain why my friend sriram krishnan who's actually an early farcaster user as well you might know him he's you know so he has a great post called build something no one else is measuring

okay i'm paraphrasing it which means like you know what what

that's right like uber did is it optimized earnings for drivers it's not the same as daus right right but you know like like different different companies are optimizing different things and in my view we don't need another social network we don't need another crypto trading app we don't need another even censorship resistant thing because bit chat and all this stuff exists again like it's by the way it's not that frequent necessarily that you need to get a message in a bottle out and if you do like you know shipping a bottle message you know right right put that on on on the bitcoin protocol you put that on the solana protocol you put that on the ethereum protocol it's actually okay for just posting like emergency messages you've got lots of options for that right what is scarce is crypto civilization okay so what does that look like first of all that means self improvement okay so learn and earn every day online okay so all the stuff i taught i taught a mooc that had 250,000 students

it i deeply believe in free online education but i also believe in the rigor of academia and so on and you know so my father came from a very very very very poor background in in i mean when india was very poor okay like probably bottom quartile if not bottom 10% of like the world economy at that time right and and he made something of himself and he gave his son an opportunity and that's what i want to do further so i'm plowing you know a good chunk of my capital into network school into the endowment here we're getting this was actually all announced in network state conference we're getting full accreditation from the government of khasan to be able to issue full degrees okay

yep fantastic what is that that's an intermediate between harvard and zuckerberg okay harvard is or it's it's it's also like z axis in a way harvard is the four year traditional degree and so on but that's actually the with the great inflation all the other problems american academia don't need to go into all of them right now from ai faking all the exams and you know professors fighting each other funding cutoffs reproducibility crisis there's 50 we should have

so so on the one hand that's bad on their hand yes zuckerberg gates vitalik are so talented these type guys or you know what have you that they can create a universe onto their own like they they don't need any structure they can actually do it better

they're few and far between so most people do need some structure yes right so the the premise of network school is structured speedrun

okay mhmm so it's an inter interpolation again between tyranny and anarchy there's many intermediates is intermediate exactly 50% i don't think it is is intermediate necessarily within the united states i don't necessarily think it is i think it's on the internet but yep is it something that would appeal to someone who's a centrist american i think it usually does okay so the structured speedrun would be something where it's graduation by examination not duration

so rather than a four year thing where you have to be there for four years or even k through 12 you can just skip grades skip grades skip grade by passing out zip zip zip like this

correct rigorous proctored examination that's right so this is now how does it relate to farcaster so if you can prove on chain that you have crypto credentials as demonstrated by an offline test so we give we administer an offline test right example at a crypto conference we give an ethereum sat okay we give and then if you get it right pencil and paper and proctored then we write that with your consent obviously to your farcaster profile we send you an nft saying you've got such such and such a score now you qualify for a whole new set of tasks based on that score interesting so you learn to earn and you learn and you can cryptographically prove that you've learned because you get an nft from a professor this is something also that can increase professor monetization why for example i had a professor named steven boyd okay at stanford he's the of something called convex optimization convex optimization has created countless billions in value okay he's captured some of that as an adviser to companies but let's say that some fraction of his students had the boyd convicts optimization nft and some fraction of tasks that were earned by them could flow back to him like a referral thing okay now that's something where to level other people up in the world to cause human capital gain you get a slice of that yourself

so that's now something where you know people talk about nfts for attribution and like copyright right this is not like the downside of copyright but it's like the upside of okay give the professor a slice and so on and so forth and maybe that's a condition of him sending over the nft and so on and forth there's various ways we can implement this stuff

that's that's great so so exactly like so like in india we call this right meaning if somebody has taught you something thank the teacher you know like the american tradition is like put an apple on the teacher's desk and that's good yeah but basically like you know the the guru will give you some money and then sometimes you'll also thank the guru with with with something right

great so right so i we want and and the thing is also we have i have enough you know as i said my previous life i was a professor right and so we have we have enough

background in academia right we have enough of of this kind of thing okay in order to

like get the rigor of what traditional academia was but then also what the internet is okay yeah and so it's like like an interpolation but not a naive interpolation sort of like how you know there's there's fiat and there's bitcoin and coinbase is an interpolation but not bankchain bankchain was a naive interpolation that didn't work it took the worst of both worlds right you wanna take the best of both worlds so the exact interpolation matters okay so the putting this into farcaster what it means is you take practice tests in farcaster like tutorials come up in your feed what are you know people declare what their interests are right yeah so the interest you get something that looks a lot like a survey it's like a question and you get it right or wrong this is and computer adaptive testing gives you the next question you get it right or wrong and you're learning something you're actually progressing up the skill ladder that you wanted and then when you get enough of them right then we say okay now you've done the practice take a proctored test offline and now if you pass that you qualify for all these new set of tasks right such that you can get it you know whatever $100 task as an ethereum developer because people because right now one of the things to give another piece of this as a hiring manager i have like on the over thousand portfolio companies okay and and people are feeling oh my god i can't get a job why lots of candidates are spamming inboxes okay right and then conversely there people are using ai to filter inboxes and like the yeah it's just increased the noise in the channel the matching channel many things are like this right it's similar to the problem with tinder like the internet the internet improves certain kinds of matching like uber like passenger and driver and it actually breaks other things that were working before and we have to be we have to understand that it's broken some markets so much as built them okay point is as as a company as a hiring manager you can't tell what's fake or what's real anymore right like even linkedin actually is asking people to use ai to make their resumes so everybody declares themselves a expert in this that and the other and now they also have the jargon on their profile so the it can really blend in right you can tell if it's ai and pangram but like the thing is nobody's doing that right so we will basically have what i call the crypto resume right which is a combination of whatever selected casts or you know that you want on there whatever post you want on there your self assertion but it also has all of your crypto credentials that you've earned with practice tests every vouch that you've gotten from others okay i love that every proctored exam that you choose to show there okay and so think of it as crypto linkedin which and linkedin does have discussion by the way the problem is like you know linkedin it's actually a $100,000,000,000 company even as much as i i you know look with the founders gone i can just say you know no one's gonna be offended linkedin does kinda suck right but why does it kinda suck because it's fake nice okay twitter is fake nasty x is fake nasty right so in linkedin people are like you know soviet style like thank you comrade for the this that the other the green okay and and also there's lots of fake resumes it's literally fake in many ways okay but at least the fact that they've got their full professional thing on their bio means they don't like go and scream slurs at other people too much correct

want it to come

they don't wanna come back at them there's actually a downside for doing it it has a degree of civility and so it's a it's a but probably the best behaved form on the internet okay on their hand on x people have learned that incorrectly people perceive negativity as more authentic right so they're a fake nasty version of themselves on x x is now also player versus player look as i said do i prefer x to twitter yes because on twitter it was totally one-sided barbarism now at least it's both sides all sides you can fight back but do we wanna fight all day no and you may disagree with this i totally understand that

i don't fight all

yeah what i wanna do is learn and earn and i mean i don't even care about earning so much myself but i wanna provide that ability for others to earn

that's exactly right adrienne i think actually that's what you know we've had like sort of

well i i think you know that's sure great sure basically self improvement personal growth right with the locus of control being within yourself where you're not envying others you're just the best the the right kind of ambition is to be the best version of yourself okay and like like it max out your own your own qualities because you know like every human has some spark in them right and your own zone of genius right go ahead sorry

here's yeah yes but there's one big difference which is and i think this is an innovation that we have that i think dan would probably agree with me on this the early farcaster was a lot of founder and vc types

okay who are very successful professionally very self directed but their earn and learn was happening mostly off platform right okay now the thing is as much as i like the silicon valley y c teal ish culture it does have one issue which is ironically it doesn't scale beyond a quote elite right as as as tim ferriss said you know like okay you're you have to be like a digital json born to survive okay and it's frankly like i see the rate of digital change and it's hard for you know sometimes i'll send vitalik something and i'll say like are you smart enough to understand this and he'll be like no i'm not and i'm like i'm not you know and so like basically it's just something where some of the stuff i mean it's kind of joking or whatever but the point is it's like the the pace of change certain kinds of things it's so fast that you can obviously put something into an ai i can explain it to you this is meant to be a joke but the point is even for somebody who's like a phd or whatever it's hard so how do we scale that culture like where's the simulacrum of middle class culture you know somebody said something like i'm single until series b in san francisco

okay what does that mean that means that they have taken what used to be the american dream which is you know like graduate from school get a job find somebody raise a family have a house get

that whole thing is now something where you have to be digital json born in order to achieve that right okay so single distribute it's not even that these people are passionate about building companies it's that they want to have a spouse so they they feel they have to win in a startup in order to afford a house

okay

that's that's bad for many reasons because first is pushing people into quote startups that shouldn't necessarily be there but second is the 99% of the population that can't do that oh my god they're mad right and so it's it's a setup for a lot of bad things what you want instead is a zone where civility is free and you want to also be able to scale a lot of the positive things of silicon valley to those who are not necessarily founder people okay why do i say that i one of the things i say a lot today is there's fewer founders like unicorn founders i should say than there are professional athletes okay to be a unicorn founder you know like can you dunk from the free throw line technically if not don't be a startup founder right okay like basically if you're have you ever seen somebody just to digress this have you ever seen somebody who's like a pro athlete in high school like really athletic

yes like i i you know like i was in i was in great dip but i i played varsity go ahead

and okay so my guess adrienne is you know i i saw when i was playing varsity football i was not great i was terrible okay but you know i one time we did play another team and there was a guy who was so ridiculously athletic that he could just be walking on their team and you could be like it was it was just something where you know there's like a like a like a lope to it where

hard to describe words go ahead

yeah and that guy exactly just right so that guy became like a wide receiver in in the pros okay like you could just tell this guy was just like insanely like man among boys level athleticism

they have

they have an effortless grace to them you know they could just go push like this you know right they're just their their entire body neuromuscular system is all wired just differently than a normal human being okay that's what a unicorn founder is typically like right okay and and the thing is people can't perceive them the same way because they don't like okay take let's take metallic again right metallic is relatively you know he's he's he's what he is in the physical world he's a tall guy and so it's already he's relatively skinny in the digital world he's like a five hundred foot tall like yeah fire giant with like a flaming sword and so on and so forth like if you saw the role of warcraft digital metallic it's like this gigantic kind of thing right so in the same way because people cannot perceive mathematical technical building necessarily immediately they can't necessarily see how good these unicorn founders typically are right and it's not always just math or or computer science if that helps it can be just work ethic endurance resilience a lot of these guys are very very very very amazing i you know i've known a bunch of them and the point being most people aren't like them

and they shouldn't they shouldn't be forced to be like them one thing i realized in san francisco is there's an epidemic now to be clear i like these people much more than wokes but there's an epidemic of

like like people who had founderitis right like kind of wantrepreneurs okay and the same way that someone would buy michael jordan sneakers to kind of pretend to be michael jordan it took me a long time to understand that's what they were doing they're buying like allbirds and they were mimicking some of the sort of consumerist ways things where you could hit a button and purchase it to be like jack dorsey or something like that right but that consumerist thing is just the most superficial aspect of it what it's again it's like buying michael jordan sneakers or a jersey to be michael jordan you you have to actually the greatest strength is no one's own weakness in what you're actually good at right okay so now let's get

like that's not so that's other things

and then that's exactly exactly don't people

oh my god what

here's the elon elon is n of one elon is so exceptional on so many dimensions you should not try to be like elon because like okay for several things first is just on this just got me on this topic for a second elon is somebody who jensen wong and larry page and every you know like i know a lot of whatever i know a lot of these guys right who are very senior kind of people especially the guys who have the $100,000,000,000 companies versus trillion dollar companies i know a lot of them personally and a lot of these guys every one of us elon is just so much better than the best he's like you know have you seen that graph with messi and how messi is like five or sixty hundred divisions out and even though they're great soccer players are like three okay so elon is like that relative to other like his his like number 10 accomplishment like neuralink or or borrowing company is better than many amazing people's all in full life force and yet he's doing that while he's doing like six of them and he's got like the most crazy personal life which i couldn't imagine you know don't don't do this at home kids do not do this at home okay

have yeah one spouse and raise children in a loving family and have a very boring see this is the way i haven't i've never really talked about this but one of you know one of the most interesting things for me about network school like very first iteration okay is there is a fair number of people who came in and on paper they agreed with me see i knew that there were people who would type out that they were far left who wouldn't agree with me but there are people who are like extremely libertarian ish on paper who agreed with all the stuff that i was saying online sovereign individual whatever type stuff and then when i met some of them in person i realized that there was an aspect of myself that i had taken for granted that i never broadcast which is the traditional asian family values right like respect for elders you know self discipline and all that kind of you know to me stuff right and i realized that many of these people had come from broken homes or they had never learned they had no impulse control and so they didn't like it's the american asian you know synthesis that makes silicon valley it's not a 100% american it is at least 50% asian i mean obviously it's true like apple is is built in china and and and manufactured in california obviously there's lots of asian indian what have you influence there that is a that's an aspect of the world i don't think people have really caught into because they only recently now have some more of the frontmen being of asian or indian or what have you descent but there's something to the asian indian what have you eurasian thing of studying hard like respecting your elders getting the numbers right you know like children within marriage all these square conservative traditional values and then you have that combined with the freewheeling american kind of thing but only that on top of this okay like the american freewheeling kind of thing works when you have a core and a boring you know home life a degree of self discipline like you know middle class values first class results okay like you know if you're if you've got your feet on the ground then you can reach for the stars and this is by the way like what america used to be this is you know the iowa guys who you know built fairchild and so and so forth like you know robert noyes and so like middle class values first class results and you know this type of stuff one of the one of the things that that gets difficult about this is immediately people will be like that they'll have some family issue or they'll have some you know kind of thing that they that they don't really like but they also don't want you calling it out i'm not calling anybody out on this i'm just saying what we want to be able to do is figure out how to say a that is bad b i'm not attacking anybody who is a victim of those circumstances or what have you c let's figure out how to build a society where we can rebuild those positive pro civilization values d asia has a lot going for it because it has a lot of those things already in in extents right and in many ways like the move from small town america to singapore farcaster is now half asian okay it's got a lot more asian influence than it did like all american unfortunately this century doesn't work as much as i love america it's gonna be half okay it's gonna be like that's what tech is it's half american half asian and the discipline the law the self discipline even more important than external discipline that's the thing is it's much more about self discipline and its internal control than it's about external regulation all of that is like a cultural kind of thing where all the words are on top of like like patterns of behavior okay coming back so why'd i get on that bye bye you said something

but farcast something about

yeah i know yes

sure good good question so first we're gonna roll out some new features shortly okay so we've got some overdue features so nice nice nice new things

number two is basically earn and learn we want to we wanna make it a community where you can do tutorials and those tutorials qualify you for better tasks which in turn let you learn more and you get in a positive treadmill where you're improving your life and where does the crypto aspect come in by the way it's not trading right it's also not quote building why is it not trading it's not like hey let me have an nft which i hope to pass on to a greater fool who hopes to pass on like that i don't like that stuff at all right that's not that's not the new forecaster at all okay also building look do i like building okay but the problem is ai has also made building really easy you can build in a very narcissistic way that's only interesting to yourself you can build ai slop trivially nowadays right true earning is the way that you see whether what you're done doing is a value to somebody else right so thesis on providing value to the world right done right it's service it's not simply it's it's ikigai you know what i mean it's like mhmm yes you like it and you're good at it and you can get paid for it but it's also a value to the world it's like all four of those things the japanese concept okay so we wanna do the vision is make it into the app that you log into to learn whatever technical or others especially technical skills especially cybersecurity and crypto and ai type stuff so whatever technical skills you wanna get up on and then use that to improve yourself professionally like a crypto linkedin kind of thing now by the way what comes out of that oh also hold meetups pop ups and permanence okay good yeah farcon and so by establishing that zone of people who are self improving all the time what that does by the way is it rather than them yelling at dan or rish or something like the you know most of the day like in my head i'm yelling at myself i'm like ugh i should do this better should do that better yelling is being too strong a term but the point is like the focus is the locus of improvement is within the self right so we're giving you things where if you lift that weight as achievable as it is you get a little bit better every day okay mhmm this is this also by the means the interface will change over time to emphasize your progress against your own benchmarks like for example space repetition we wanna build that into the app right computer adaptive testing build that into the app you're learning new skills you were here on chinese and now you're here right so you can see you know like spotify wrapped like it gives you like your record i'd love to have something where a year from now people have learned some new skill love that because we we sort of gamified learning we gamified earning and love that the reason i know this is likely to work my mooc was quite popular and quite a few people told me they got you like for example alexander leishman who's the ceo of river which is successful bitcoin company he just posted that he got into bitcoin he got into crypto because of my class quite a few people have posted something like that okay that's one public example without revealing anybody's private stuff with earn it was actually a very popular product that we sold to coinbase i think it's ahead of its time and so on and so forth it actually coinbase is 2021 financial so it made like $63,000,000 okay so earn and learn is wholesome oh one other thing very important there's a genuine injection of value where's the injection of value we're creating tasks and you're injecting your time so it's digital labor for digital currency and the nfts and the crypto credentials structure that so you can prove your skills and the competition is a positive sum competition where it's not zero sum for example if i've got a classroom of 30 kids 30 adults for that matter they could all be at 0% on chinese or they could all be at hsk nine on chinese in theory right right it's you're improving against yourself it's not positional versus somebody else right they could all they could have like 0% chinese installed on their head or they could be fluent okay and by doing that it's what i call human capital gain okay you know the term human capital which is like like in education okay and capital gain which is buy low sell high so human capital gain is you come on the app you do tasks there's tasks that are grayed out because you don't have the skill you try the online practice things then you do the proctor one now you qualify for a whole new class of task also we can have a coin market cap type thing with prices on skills guess what soared you know all the ai tools right it's super valuable to us so now when you see that prices soar because the task prices soar now the market actually allocates because what happens is as you know with education a poor art history major graduates and they realize the market value of their skill is very low right if instead you improve that feedback cycle how do you do that i'll just say one more two more things then we go rather than the forty eight months upfront of traditional college education what if you spread those forty eight months over forty eight years you had one month a year over forty eight years okay why is that better because like imagine you bought a car and you paid up front for it and you budgeted nothing for gas or maintenance over the course of the life this is like people two or three years out of school they say i don't remember what i learned right imagine if and the

that's exactly right that's right and so this is now the thing is physicians do have something for this they call it cme continuing medical education

so oh they look okay great so yep because obviously the surgery techniques of 1970 something are not gonna be the same as today so they keep taking modules and those modules qualify them for new credentials and they can do new surgeries and and so on and so forth okay that is a good model for kind of what we wanna do right so rather than forty eight months upfront you have forty eight months over forty eight years and actually if you think about that one month a year is like one week a quarter one week a quarter is roughly ish a little bit less than one day a week so imagine if that's a vision of network school farcaster is lifelong learning where

you're you know okay you're rather than just bouncing you know like this randomly to this topic and that you're compounding right you're you're improving where whatever you set out to do learn you know learning wise obviously we'll start on technical topics we wanna nail something right and you're not just learning for the sake of learning we're connecting that to crypto microtasks and where does crypto come in why is it important basically if it's important to you it's offline if it's important to others it's online and if it's really important to others it's on chain meaning if it's something of economic value you need to shield it on chain right exactly so curvable you know the the last fifteen years of crypto and i've got a longer talk on this last thing i'll just say last fifteen years of crypto have arguably been starting with a replacement for us dollars okay right and so there were three major things of that there was program bill so bitcoin then programmability got you ethereum and solana right privacy got you like monero zcash and stability got you usdc and usdt okay and the improvement on the us dollar on that piece of paper the us dollar is like a trillion dollar industry but i think the next step is to improve not simply on the piece of paper which is the us dollar but the other set of piece of paper which are us documents what's in a us document example a diploma right example like a a passport right example like a like a regulatory license these piece of paper are actually worth quite a lot of money diplomas people will pay tens of thousands of dollars and why are they us documents because it's not so much the us government necessarily directly issues you a degree but what they do is they accredit a school to issue a degree right they also directly issue a password they directly issue you a regulatory license these piece of paper facilitate the flow of these dollars

yet crypto has not thought about them not as much okay so this was like the one off cash type transactions and so on but these are all the piece of paper that you can imagine being and you can by the way you can break them down into individuals companies or let's say individuals organizations and metadata on this organization so you have like a proof of human for a person and then they have a diploma or even better a granular crypto resume which says you don't just have a degree in let's say computer science but you have operating systems compilers you know you know networking you know because some of these categories are very broad okay so an individual you have a diploma and then you have you know crypto credentials granular okay or you have a company individual can can also have own a company or an organization or be associated with one and that organization has attributes associated as well like okay here's this regulatory license right over time this is how we build a true crypto economy where the equivalent of us documents are put on chain they are attested to it's like a new kind of oracle service okay and we start with just like you know whether you got this question right or wrong over time we work with governments like government of kazakhstan like others there's actually 10 plus governments that wanna host network schools okay

we have things that are like ets testing centers and we basically help you build your crypto resume and we help you improve in life okay i have look one last thing i'll just say is in general i'm a minimum necessary conflict person okay i mentioned this the other day but i i i you know the the thing is minimum necessary conflict does not mean shying away from every conflict but it does mean the minimum necessary conflict okay and that means that we want to like i'll be completely firm in something that i think you know like if as i said if you want 4chan if you want blue sky go somewhere else those already exist okay we're gonna have singapore here this you're gonna you're not gonna be able to yell at women you're not gonna be able to yell like you know at at at at ethnic groups and so on and so forth like some these people were doing but you're also not gonna be able to yell at whites at men at capitalists that's a class hatred by the way much of the twentieth century is based on class hatred so class hatred race hatred not allowed and i don't you know some people will say things like oh yeah normally wishing death on someone is bad but they're a venture capitalist so it's justified right what is that actually saying by the way just to analyze that that person is saying that it's like a it's like a the the equivalent would be somebody saying normally killing somebody is bad but they're japanese so it's okay the only time that's ever ever happening is in wartime against japan okay are you in wartime are we all in wartime against venture capitalists well i wasn't until that because i am one right so this person who's saying oh wishing death on someone else is normally bad i would agree but this tribe is an enemy tribe so it's okay to wish death on them is assuming that you share their literal bloodlust death wish wartime mode against that enemy tribe the thing is that everybody's a member of at least one of these tribes like everybody's either white or non white or they're you know a citizen or an immigrant or they're male or or female like everybody is a member of at least one of these hated on classes like you get on x and you ask give me a million view thread about whatever your identity is you'll find someone hating on you so i don't really care what the justification is unless we're actually at war with those people and we're not right you just can't bring that here now somebody might say one other thing i'll say like x is meant for war okay the problem with x is you can't it's a public war zone it's like if you don't have a presence on x if you don't have the ability to defend yourself on x you will just get attacked okay so you have to maintain a presence on x but it's gonna serve a completely different purpose from farcon so we're not competing with x at all it's a totally different thing it this is a this is like a library

absolutely

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absolutely and we're gonna split that out complete i mean it's not that you can't learn on x but it is something it's not set up for you to earn and learn and earn and learn and so on it's just gonna be a totally different focus and i feel pretty confident that and the the other thing is last thing i'll say is once we have this online civil community right which is earning and learning and earning and learning then we want to have a bunch of farcon type meetups pop ups i mean because basically if you can build mutual trust online like not a single person who's yelling and curse like i don't some people will say oh i'm mean online but i'm nice offline no no no you're gonna be nice online too otherwise you're not gonna be at these meetups

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but guess what you know what's much much more valuable than both the soviet union and somalia singapore right both tyranny and anarchy are not valuable and neither is an ark of tyranny but what is valuable is singapore so and and what made singapore valuable if you read lee kuan yew's book from third world to first the first thing he did was civility you can't spit on the floor anymore sorry right you just can't do all these uncivilized things okay and you know he cracked down on gambling and everybody's like oh my god right he cracked down on opm he cracked down on all this kind of stuff and guess what everybody liked it afterwards because now he could bring in large businesses he could invest in public works and he did things that were some of them seem like you know basically by the way people to my right will be like oh my god balaji you're such a status you're such a communist i can't believe that you would just like oh it's code of conduct now how'd you become so woke on me blah blah blah right and there's actually a fair number of people who say that kind of stuff to me as well right and you're just a globalist blah blah whatever right okay imagine that actually that's like in a less nasal voice but oh you're just a globalist like okay fine alright so so i don't actually care what i care about is the result right you know blue cat red cat doesn't matter if it catches mice right doesn't matter if it's techno optimist alright with that

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absolutely and so what what i'd love to so actually you asked how how people can help adrienne i'd love to have people who we'll probably put out like a a thing on this but if you want to host a meetup like a farcon kind of meetup the ideal person i didn't mention this this is very important nsmb right network school small business one of the things about network school is because we have like hundreds of people from all around the world we're often the very largest customer of a small business like for example for a gym we'll get like a 100 memberships right for a coffee shop like it's just a surge of business for them once once we move into a region right and like a laundromat or something like that because we do it's like go ahead no so one way to think about it ns is like crypto costco you have you know costco you've got a membership card and then it brings down the cost of everything you're buying at costco like you know you can you you you pay a certain amount flat fee for the membership and then you get low cost water and or not more you know i mean like pretzels whatever else everything else kirkland brand or something else it's super inexpensive cost you buy in bulk right that's a great deal for all parties because the subscription is not that expensive for costco once it's got the subscription it can sell the rest at basically cost and for the guys who are selling to costco they prefer to sell in bulk into a reliable buyer and so and so right so it's a triple win where all parties you know can can cooperate to get a better outcome for all parties so similarly with never school we have like crypto costco in the physical world in never school subscription because we can group a 100 or hundreds of people together we get bulk discounts on gym memberships on all the costs of the physical world housing all this kind of stuff right so we hyperdeflate and bring down the cost of living we've got it down to less than $1,000 a month in astana right behind right for food for for room food gym cell phone you'd literally and coworking and events you don't need anything else basically sub 10,000 a year you have what i would consider like a life that is as good as what i had at stanford in the early two thousands like basically you know you've got you've got a totally functional environment where you can go and work okay that's my point point is with farcaster i'd like to source small businesses around the world that want business okay they could be a restaurant they could be a bar maybe depending on what they're what they're you know we want we want to be like a not not super you know rau raukous or what have you but like a night you know so a restaurant maybe like a wine bar or something like that

yeah yeah yeah yeah exactly that's right so so restaurant gym somebody who can host a meetup a hotel right something like that and they should be there because they own a small business lots of small businesses are hurting you know people are doing things online they're not coming in person anymore now they become they have a win win they are like a local farcon ns you know person they've got a small business by the way this is also a win for the meetup organizer why if the meetup organizer is already a small business owner they don't need to find and lease a location which can often be a tricky thing to find a venue is often a tricky thing if the person already owns a venue they pay the fixed cost of having the venue and they just want the marginal revenue of people coming in so that's a win win for all parties concerned the local small business gets 20 30 50 new people the 20 30 50 new people don't have to spend any money or rather they just spend on refreshments or food and they don't need to keep renting a new venue each time right so if you ask that's something we're gonna put out we're gonna put a task on that for basically local local venues love that okay

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awesome alright alright

yes come visit astana by the way it's a beautiful beautiful country you see do you see the post that you put up with jensen huang

oh you're you're all invited basically anybody who's nice just look being nice is free right if you're just a nice person civil person come come and hang out

thank you so much

sure yeah and you know look i'm happy to collect see i i hesitate to call it community feedback it'll eventually become a community again let's call it user based feedback and then as it knits it'll become a community again but but get the get the questions and and i'll definitely come back on okay

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